Derekcat

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http://www.ktvz.com/global/story.asp?s=11214101

Watchout.. 50% more [or more] on a lot of the fees...

[PS: buy my convertible today or wednesday to avoid the increased cost! ]

Nick_d_TII

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Mother Fu%$ers!

parid

Yeah what *** holes raising money to fix pot holes! They should leave the roads turning to ****! Who uses the roads anyway?

joemaddox

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i just got new tags and plates for my 7 yesterday.... 55 title transfer is going to be 79.00!!! The only fee that is not going up 42% will be the walk out to check out of state cars(still 7.00)... Its rediculous!!!!

To top it off, amungst the greed that the state is showing, they are also showing how stingy they are... The increase is due to "inflation" but they dont think they should be apart of it (at least when its time for them to pay).... The corvallis DMV is now closed for a "undisclosed amount of time".. There is nowhere in benton county to register your car, albany or newport are what we have now...

I asked why, and they said they are not renewing thier lease (as all property in benton county as increased, so shall thiers) becuase "there cannot be a settlment on a previous rental agreement by the owner of the land, we cannot get the owner to lease it out for the previous amount, so we cannot continue to rent from him".........................********............ I spent three hours in the albany dmv as a result of there being no place for all the benton county customers to go, we all flocked there with the linn co residents...Place is a hole in the wall, there was people standing outside waiting to get there numbers....

Ok, i bitched,lol...

joemaddox

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...FYI.....

they have nothing to do with road repairs, that money never see's its way to these type pf projects.......

joemaddox

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taxes pay for ODOT to do that repair... Not the DMV....

parid

Yes, the new fees that the DMV is collecting are being used for road repairs (among other things).

You do understand that the department of motor vehicles is part of the state's department of transportation right? One of the main purposes for the DMV existing is to collect money for Oregon's roads. That's exactly what is being done here.

Josh18_2k

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amtrak is way overpriced, and therefor blows. just thought i'd throw that out there

Derekcat

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OK, the problem is that they're WASTING MONEY, instead of evaluating which roads actually need repair.. and then some roads they're doing a crap job on, and for the life of me I can't figure out why..

Fee raises wouldn't be necessary if they'd think - at all :P

Terrapin_turtle

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Amtrack already is subsidiezed by the government they can't turn a profit on thier own, how can they raise their prices?

joemaddox

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I stand corrected.....

Nick_d_TII

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Thats Great and all, except, there was this stimulus package that was supposed to fund Transportation projects too. Where's that funding? Those Gov't workers at the DMV are Usually ********, paid by the Taxpayers. Gotta take a number before speaking with anyone, even if there's no line?? I see lots of roads that need repair, but don't get it. I see LOTS of roads that don't need repair that get replaced (been down Hwy 26 near north plains lately?). What about uninsured drivers? What about funding law enforcement to enforce traffic laws? What about keeping unsafe vehicles off the road?

I just wish our tax dollars were being used more wisely, and effeciently. Will I benefit from this increase? Maybe. Is it going to be worth the additional $50-100 dollars to register my vehicle every few years, probably not. We pay taxes at the pump, for cigarettes and alcohol, income taxes, property taxes, we pay taxes at the dmv, we pay to go to parks, we pay registration for boats, and all for what?

$300,000,000 for pot holes?

Because some richy *** neighbor hood wants ******* trees in the middle of their pretty roads, when I don't even get a ******* sidewalk out front, just a ditch and a road with no lines or nothing, guess I should be thankful that its paved... Right.

That's only my opinion. If anything I hope it helps the economy rebuild/rebound...

afgmoto1978

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There's a suprising number of unpaved roads in the downtown/north portland housing/industrial areas, it's crazy really. reminds me of Africa in some ways...which is a really bad thing.

parid

The stimulous package did give a ton of money to transportation. It was in the form of a single federal grant for "shovel ready" projects. It was a single cash infusion (doled out over up to two years). Federal grants are used for new service. Building new bridges, ect. Large projects. This money is normally spent with private contruction businesses. (thus the economy boost).

These new fees add money to the perminant operating budget for the state. It just much more flexable. It can be used to setup on going programs or just to hire more bodys (with good family wadge jobs).

Instead of just getting "caught up" on road repairs, this helps give our state the funds nessisary to keep the roads maintained for years to come.

It's a big state. Roads are very expensive. We are replacing a bridge on I5 down here in eugene. It crosses the Wilamette. It's a crucial transportation line heading south. The one we had previously was cracking and was showing signs of failure. That bridge project alone, a single bridge, costs $114 million.

If you want to learn more about how odot collects funds and uses them, they produced a pretty good paphlet outlining the major parts of their budget and what they are used for. http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/COMM/docs...getbooklet.pdf

All of this is a matter of public record. Even more detail is easily available on their website.

Nick_d_TII

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I receive a weekly newsletter about Roads and Maintenence in Washington County, some of the **** they do for the price they charge is way inflated.

http://www.wc-roads.com/

I don't disagree with you, but there's soo much crap involved with getting these projects done, at or under budget, and on time. Just look at the I5 Columbia bridge project, some million's of dollars and they haven't even come up with acceptable design?
http://www.theworldlink.com/articles...f303997451.txt

I do share the road, I do brake for construction workers, I maintain my vehicles, I pay attention, I pay registration fees I pay income taxes and gas taxes, I buy parking passes and ATV permits, any more taxation and I'm going to say "I've had ENOUGH!"

Where do we draw the line? Or maybe the question should be; Where do YOU draw the line?

joemaddox

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amen my brother,lol...... Well put.....

parid

I'm satisfied with the job that is being done now with the service level we have now. I know that people who are much more educated on the subject are spending a lot more time thinking about it and working to make everyone happy not just me.

The Corvallis DMV thing sucks. Someone wasn't doing their job there. That really has nothing to do with funding and this bill. Someone independently fucked up on that one.

I probably swing more towards bigger government than you do. When we work together, we can get a lot of things done. Things that sound like little changes end up having a huge affect. Roads are one of the things I think I enjoy more than most people (being a car enthusiast).

If you have reached your limit as to what you think you should have to pay, what services would you propose to cut/limit/reduce in order to balance the budget deficit? I suppose I don't see $20-40/year pushing me to the point of being angry. That seems like a typical slight adjustment needed to counter the cost of services raising.

joemaddox

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they are banning flavored cigarettes, next year papers,flavored cigars,cigars,pipe tabacco,menthol and smokeless ciggs(thank you FDA), this will destroy the taxes that are made from those sales..... How much will these taxes go up due to that you think??

I think there are other places that could replace these fee's... I am paying so much for a pack of smokes right now its retarded, but i would pay a buck more, to NOT have to pay 42% more for my car ****.... Yeah i will pay more in the long run (thus making it even better), but it dosent feel as bad when its five here or there... And i LOOOOOOVVVVVEEEE smoking so i wont quit(unless they ban them, which seems like the possible futer ).....

I just say RABLE RABLE RABLE i guess.... I GET to take my aggression out on a pointless internet forum and let it be at that though.. I think that is only fair for a 42% increase on my 11 cars......

Nick_d_TII

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State Park Fee's increase in 2010. Its not much, but still. Basically all these fees and taxes might turn people away, thus lowering the funds generated from these taxes.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index...at_oregon.html

parid

Well who do you think should be paying for the roads? People who drive on it or people who smoke? As much as I hate smokers (nothing personal) and love to tax them (lets tax pot heads too!) I think it makes sense to charge the people using the roads for them. Thats why a gas taxes and license fees are such an elegant solution. You drive less? You use less gas, pay less tax. Drive a lot? You pay more tax. Drive a lighter car that does less damage to the road? You probably use less gas. Drive a bigger vehicle? You probably use more. You have two or three cars? You pay more for plate renewals. You don't have a car at all? You don't have to (directly) pay a lot of these taxes.

joemaddox

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So **** the truck drivers?? They are holding on with a thin string as it is right now. With what your solution holds you are going to strangle them....

And in this town, everyone uses the road. Bikes, buses, trains... So why not make everyone pay...?
None the less, its a pointless increase, there are better places for it to be taken from.... Seriously whats the point in taking a product that produces taxes and then increasing another tax to compensate?

What made our country is going to break our country...lol

Nick_d_TII

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This isn't a political forum. Hating someone for smoking is as bad as hating someone for driving gas powered cars, or hating someone because they have more money than you. Hate is a strong word, I hope you meant dislike.

I feel taxing people for doing something(smoking, driving, camping, parking, riding) is counter productive. I also partially disagree with your comments about driving and taxes and who pays for the roads. Bicyclist are good examples. They pay no taxes and get lots of the benefits. But do you think they should pay taxes for riding a bike? I don't. But they do pay taxes elsewhere. This **** is too complicated. It should be simplified. How? I don't have a clue...

Indirectly or Directly these taxes affect people's lives by costing them more for Goods. Some People can't afford food, clothes or toiletries.

I believe there is a Balance of Taxes and The Size of Gov't that should not be exceeded (+ or -). I hope Gov't will reduce its capacities and wasteful spending, it's almost at a breaking point now. (Soc. Sec., Medicare, California)

For the People, By the People. The Government is our's, I'm not the Government's.

I come to this forum to read about cars, not debate Taxes and Gov't. That's all.

joemaddox

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you know whats messed up, you have to title and register your bike (yes Bicyclists!) here in corvallis now ::shakes head::. Its bad,lol.. So they now pay taxes i guess.

Well i agree that politics are pointless to discuss here, i was just bitching about the fee increase!

Derekcat

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lol really?
Now all we have to do is get those bums to pass a driver's license test and maybe they'll behave ^_-

parid

Sorry, I disagree that having people pay their fair share is "*******" them. It's not "my" solution. It's what the state has been doing for a very very long time. Gas tax isn't something new.

In what way do people not pay for transportation services right now? We all pay taxes.

I'm not proposing any kind of change here.

Sorry, you are correct. I apologize. I don't hate smokers. I hate smoking and sharing space with it.

Goes both ways. The same services also drastically improve people's lives. I think we can all agree its incredibly complex and in the end we just want what is best for everyone.