I just gave my opinion, politely, and didn't even say why until I was asked. I said many times too that my opinion shouldn't matter to him if he's happy with it. How am I starting crap

If he's happy then the more power too him, I just have an opinion that's all :|

 

No, I'll never drive or enjoy a piston powered rx vehicle, sorry, but that's just my mentality. I dont like pistons, I don't understand them, I don't really want to. Rotaries are so simple it's beautiful, and they are so easy to work with. But you can drive them all you want, I just dont agree with it

 

I'm going to kidnap you and force you to go for a ride in a V8 RX7, ahahahahaha! You'll hate every minute of it, but your mind will keep coming back to the neck whipping torque and instant POWER, get ready. You'll soon after have a series of nightmares of V8 7's and start questioning your rotary orientation. It's all a natural series of events when a rotard feels the rush of american power for the first time.

 

Billybob's bigblock buildups aren't so bad, just let go and open your mind, so you can experience the full force of 350 cubic inches of air and fuel on FIRE inside that 900lb hunk of iron and steel. You'll come around. After I blow up my rotary a couple more times on the supercharger that one day *will* get finished, it's LS-time for my FC. I figure 10 rebuilds is enough before I'm ready to take the easy way to 350hp.

 

>_<

It better at least be one of the lighter weight v8's, don't want the wonderful weight distribution to get dicked.

 

Too heavy! :\

Psh, easy way, that's what losers say when they give up

 

I smile reading all these posts.

I'm glad that there are die hard rotards far and near.

I respect each of your opinions and I'm happy that we have the freedom and liberty to be free thinkers (and do-ers).

I have been impressed with the good natured ribbing that we give and take here on the RX forum.

I've been on the 20b subforum getting feedback about my 20b to FC conversion and much of it has been "you're crazy to want to keep it stock" but some have been very helpful in their replys, answering directly the questions I have posted. I even appreciate the "you're crazy..." comments because it shows their concern and willingness to help me do the right thing (in their minds).

Thanks guys (and gals).

Life is good.



Bob

 

A few things here, the German Zep Co. is back in business and gus what they are useing as a perm mover ?, second thing here, I much rather be small fast blown spinner then a big long slow stroken rod. Haven twins blow you is lots more fun

 

Your twin turbo RX4 is cracked still, show some respect to fast cars that are RELIABLE, foo!

 

The rotary is only as reliable as the owner is smart

Maybe that's why mine keeps having problems? *laf*

 

Typical cliche catch phrase answer, come on man I thought you were above the rotard mentality, rotaries have differences like exposed seals that make them die a quick death when knock hits the scene, oh and then there's the old "one overheating and the coolant o rings are toast", which aint just a head job, it's a full engine pull and tear down to fix, and how about the requirement that they must burn oil in order to stay lubricated fully?

I understand that you have a new RX8 that you're very happy with and I respect that, but from a design standpoint, a rotary has plusses and minuses that are readily observable. For example, their low displacement limits their NA torque to under 200 ft-lbs, while eshaft flex, bearing clearance, and balance issues limit stock rotaries to 8000 *safe, long term* rpm, and they produce more waste heat to the radiator per hp than modern piston engines. Practical streetable *emissions (barely) legal* NA horsepower is limited to around 200 ponies.

There is such a cult like following to these engines probably because they feel different, and it's nice to rev something that doesn't shake the change in the ashtray in the process, but turbo can be applied to any engine, and turbo rotaries aren't magic. Check out the SRT-4, there's a cheap car that will run with an FD, stock for stock or mod for mod; point being a small piston engine responds to boost just like a rotary, it's not magic.

Anyhow, I'll debate you further if you like, I've made a few points which you can respond to, or we can just trade one-liners some more.

 

Typical cliche catch phrase answer, come on man I thought you were above the rotard mentality, rotaries have differences like exposed seals that make them die a quick death when knock hits the scene, oh and then there's the old "one overheating and the coolant o rings are toast", which aint just a head job, it's a full engine pull and tear down to fix, and how about the requirement that they must burn oil in order to stay lubricated fully?

I understand that you have a new RX8 that you're very happy with and I respect that, but from a design standpoint, a rotary has plusses and minuses that are readily observable. For example, their low displacement limits their NA torque to under 200 ft-lbs, while eshaft flex, bearing clearance, and balance issues limit stock rotaries to 8000 *safe, long term* rpm, and they produce more waste heat to the radiator per hp than modern piston engines. Practical streetable *emissions (barely) legal* NA horsepower is limited to around 200 ponies.

There is such a cult like following to these engines probably because they feel different, and it's nice to rev something that doesn't shake the change in the ashtray in the process, but turbo can be applied to any engine, and turbo rotaries aren't magic. Check out the SRT-4, there's a cheap car that will run with an FD, stock for stock or mod for mod; point being a small piston engine responds to boost just like a rotary, it's not magic.

Anyhow, I'll debate you further if you like, I've made a few points which you can respond to, or we can just trade one-liners some more.

 

Yep it still has the crack that is leaking oil, been sitting on my *** doing nothing about it, O by the way, I seem to miss the point of who you are trying to debate with, Mr. 88

 

What is "the German Zep Co." and what is "a perm mover"?

 

By design the rotary is more efficient than a piston engine. The reason piston engines have become more efficient is due to the vast amount of research done on improving them. There are only a few companies doing R&D on rotaries and they are always second line power plants for those companies. If the huge engine companies like honda, ford, or bmw got involved then I think you'd see almost the same percent increase in the efficiency and power of a rotary as there have been in piston engines in the past 40 years.

I think it's great that mazda brought back the rotary, it gets more people interested in them and shows that they are working, albeit slowly, on improving their engines. I haven't driven an rx8 yet, but from what I hear it's pretty impressive, now they need to make a 2 seater with that engine and turbo it from the factory.

-Ox

 

Actually the opposite is true. The rotary has an unusual shaped combustion chamber and a high surface area to volume ratio. These contribute to reduce it's efficiency.

 

Oops, you are correct. Thermodynamic efficiency is less because of the reasons you stated. There are still improvements that could be made to the engine to make it more efficient and even more powerful than it currently is.

 

With returns that diminish faster than returns with reciprocating engine designs, hence the continued dominance and improvement of piston engines. The rotary is an elegant but flawed design.

A desire to own something (or be) different than the masses should not blind one to the stark reality the the piston engine is more efficient and economical. My own attraction to the RX-7 lies in its looks, and not its powerplant.

 

I heard from the transporter that the car is finally scheduled to be picked up and sent on its way from Florida to me. It should only be a week or two before I get my first taste of the 2nd gen RX with the V8 in it.



p.s.

My first 20b was delivered to me yesterday.

Will the insanity ever stop?

 

Well I thought it was too good to be true...

The transporter just left a message saying that the cars suspension had been lowered and there would be an additional charge of $200 to cover the "special equipment" needed to load and unload the car.

It sure would have been nice if the seller had mentioned that the car had been lowered.

Add this to the extra $100 bucks I was hit with yesterday by the transporter. Apparently there are a bunch of snow-birds leaving Florida this time of year and there are more cars to move than there are transporters, so the supply and demand factor plus the rising fuel prices sorta forced me to fork over the extra dough to get the car scheduled with a carrier.

The $upri$e$ ju$t keep it from being $weet and $imple.

Ain't it the $hit$?

 

i think its great that you have done this swap, and i bet its really fast. but i dont get why you put in in a 7. but doesnt it handle like turds now? i think if someone took me for a ride in a V8-7 it would be fun untill we got off the freeway.

 

Key words there, "I think" and "If". Just hook up with someone with a V8-7 and see for yourself why people want all that power in the light chassis. The weight distribution, even with an iron block, is no worse than a mustang or camaro yet the end product is lighter and better looking, with better rear suspension and the possibility of dialing out the understeer that the 100-200lbs extra up front adds. That's only 8% of the car's weight (based on a 2500lb car) added to a section midway forward from the CG . . the polar moment if inertia of the car won't be thrown off by even 8%.

Just take the plunge and open your mind man!

 

Can you say price gouging?

 

People that claim a v-8 ruins an RX-7 are just uneducated, small minded or just looking for a fight.
Take your pick.
Bob; I wanna ride when you get it man.

 

My turn to jump in, pistons and rods are nice lf you like getting stroked, personel I like a spinner blown by twins, a fat *** block has a way of flaten the springs and make for a uneven ride in bed, as is where a small spinner you will never notice under the sheets, "kind of like that Z car I meet one day, took a good look at her duble ZZ rack and left her at the bar", I like my sleep or is it my sleeper, which ever. If it where made to be a 5.7 and not a 1.3 which one would be under the hood of your mustag ? I wish ther where twice as big as they are now and that would be a ture killer on the road mostly for the driver may be!. So here is the real scupe, why then am I building a miniature V10 ?