Which One LS1 or 13BT???
#52
The fact that the LS1 comes in MANY vehicles and is often swapped in many many more vehicles. Don't get me wrong... It's cheap for the horsepower. But the LS1 = generic.
Buy an 80-something Supra or Porsche 944 if you're looking for a piston car... Swap those cars, and leave the rotary to someone who cares.
Buy an 80-something Supra or Porsche 944 if you're looking for a piston car... Swap those cars, and leave the rotary to someone who cares.
#57
There's a reason why they call it "RX" And A rotary block weight less than 250lbs. No way in hell a ls1 will get close to the ratio rate..... Keep it rotary, gotta pay to play. It will mean a lot if you have a 400whp 13BT Im getting there, I have a 375whp large streetported with rebuilt T3/4
#58
I love the idea of the LSx swap for the simplicity of an all motor setup that makes very respectable power and torque. After awhile it's nice to take a vacation from all the electronics and added engine bay complication of a modified turbo car.
#60
LS1 all day. I dropped my pos rotary and never looked back. Now i sitting with 500 hp daily driven with no problems. If you have the ls motor and are willing to do the work, take a walk on over to the dark side WWW.norotors.com If you like the I'm a pissed off bumble bee trapped in a coffe can then go rotary. The rx7 is the most badass chassis that was ever made, the curves of the body are time less. Give it a motor that will not only be reliable but look bad ******* ***.
#62
Im on the fence on both sides. I own both a rotary car and an LS car.
Both are AWESOME. It really depends on what you're gonna be using the car for.
For daily driving, my LS2 is amazing. Assloads of low end torque, the sound, how easy it is to pick up power. The tuning capabilities. Its endless with the v8.
On the weekend, its a blast to take the rotary out. Its literally like starting up a race car. The choppy idle, the distinct sound. I love it.
I couldnt do the LS swap to my FD because i still love rotary. However i have to own or experience an LS FD someday.
Both are AWESOME. It really depends on what you're gonna be using the car for.
For daily driving, my LS2 is amazing. Assloads of low end torque, the sound, how easy it is to pick up power. The tuning capabilities. Its endless with the v8.
On the weekend, its a blast to take the rotary out. Its literally like starting up a race car. The choppy idle, the distinct sound. I love it.
I couldnt do the LS swap to my FD because i still love rotary. However i have to own or experience an LS FD someday.
#65
LS1 all day. I dropped my pos rotary and never looked back. Now i sitting with 500 hp daily driven with no problems. If you have the ls motor and are willing to do the work, take a walk on over to the dark side WWW.norotors.com If you like the I'm a pissed off bumble bee trapped in a coffe can then go rotary. The rx7 is the most badass chassis that was ever made, the curves of the body are time less. Give it a motor that will not only be reliable but look bad ******* ***.
You, my good sir.... Are ******* high out of your mind
#66
RX means Rotary project.
This basically means, that you are either going for an RX7, or an MX7. There is an international law saying that once a rotary is swapped out for a piston engine, you have to remove the RX badge.
This basically means, that you are either going for an RX7, or an MX7. There is an international law saying that once a rotary is swapped out for a piston engine, you have to remove the RX badge.
#69
These conversations make me sick. First off it is a freaking car, who cares how and what you did to achieve your own goals. so what if the gen 3 and gen 4 motors are turning up everywhere. There is a reason why that is the case, reliability and expandability.
Now, I got that out of the way I can move on. every car builder has a goal and usually does an outline to achieve this goal and ways to reach it. Are there cookie cutter builds out there? yeah sure. Are they easier than swapping to a 20b or 13brew or such? possibly, depending on your skill level. I myself decided to turn my car into an all around fighter, not a brapping fun car that it used to be. So, I started the whole thing with the respeed R&P kit which utilizes a mustang steering rack to get a very quick ratio. from there I build up a custom engine mount system to hold the LS1. then I went to the corners and did the coilovers and realized I was a bit heavy in the front now. So I upgraded to the 8.8 rear axle to even out my weight. but wait, the rotary was lighter? almost. the stock 12a center mass sat approximately 8" forward of the LS1 center mass. so much in fact that when I put in the rollbar my rear actually weighs more. After adding fluids to all the systems, it evened out again, WOW!
My point is, that it is all in the eye of the owner. Do I appreciate a rotaory? hell yeah! will I try to bring him to the dark side? meh, if he is willing or wnats to. But I will not take the fun he has from him. when the inevitable breakdown from forcing too much power out of that little motor comes I will extend my hand and help him in either direction.
Oh, and to the guy who beat a swapped seven, that was a shitty swap man. they arent on par with proper builds. some builds are better than others and others stand out to give us a bad name. when I open the hood I look at the details NOT the motor. I will look over the mounting solutions and plumbing and even wiring looms to judge it.
anyway carry on folks on your LS1 bashing. it only makes sense really. BTW, the swapped guys dont talk **** about guys who keep rotorys just the ones who preach it
Now, I got that out of the way I can move on. every car builder has a goal and usually does an outline to achieve this goal and ways to reach it. Are there cookie cutter builds out there? yeah sure. Are they easier than swapping to a 20b or 13brew or such? possibly, depending on your skill level. I myself decided to turn my car into an all around fighter, not a brapping fun car that it used to be. So, I started the whole thing with the respeed R&P kit which utilizes a mustang steering rack to get a very quick ratio. from there I build up a custom engine mount system to hold the LS1. then I went to the corners and did the coilovers and realized I was a bit heavy in the front now. So I upgraded to the 8.8 rear axle to even out my weight. but wait, the rotary was lighter? almost. the stock 12a center mass sat approximately 8" forward of the LS1 center mass. so much in fact that when I put in the rollbar my rear actually weighs more. After adding fluids to all the systems, it evened out again, WOW!
My point is, that it is all in the eye of the owner. Do I appreciate a rotaory? hell yeah! will I try to bring him to the dark side? meh, if he is willing or wnats to. But I will not take the fun he has from him. when the inevitable breakdown from forcing too much power out of that little motor comes I will extend my hand and help him in either direction.
Oh, and to the guy who beat a swapped seven, that was a shitty swap man. they arent on par with proper builds. some builds are better than others and others stand out to give us a bad name. when I open the hood I look at the details NOT the motor. I will look over the mounting solutions and plumbing and even wiring looms to judge it.
anyway carry on folks on your LS1 bashing. it only makes sense really. BTW, the swapped guys dont talk **** about guys who keep rotorys just the ones who preach it
#70
These conversations make me sick. First off it is a freaking car, who cares how and what you did to achieve your own goals. so what if the gen 3 and gen 4 motors are turning up everywhere. There is a reason why that is the case, reliability and expandability.
Now, I got that out of the way I can move on. every car builder has a goal and usually does an outline to achieve this goal and ways to reach it. Are there cookie cutter builds out there? yeah sure. Are they easier than swapping to a 20b or 13brew or such? possibly, depending on your skill level. I myself decided to turn my car into an all around fighter, not a brapping fun car that it used to be. So, I started the whole thing with the respeed R&P kit which utilizes a mustang steering rack to get a very quick ratio. from there I build up a custom engine mount system to hold the LS1. then I went to the corners and did the coilovers and realized I was a bit heavy in the front now. So I upgraded to the 8.8 rear axle to even out my weight. but wait, the rotary was lighter? almost. the stock 12a center mass sat approximately 8" forward of the LS1 center mass. so much in fact that when I put in the rollbar my rear actually weighs more. After adding fluids to all the systems, it evened out again, WOW!
My point is, that it is all in the eye of the owner. Do I appreciate a rotaory? hell yeah! will I try to bring him to the dark side? meh, if he is willing or wnats to. But I will not take the fun he has from him. when the inevitable breakdown from forcing too much power out of that little motor comes I will extend my hand and help him in either direction.
Oh, and to the guy who beat a swapped seven, that was a shitty swap man. they arent on par with proper builds. some builds are better than others and others stand out to give us a bad name. when I open the hood I look at the details NOT the motor. I will look over the mounting solutions and plumbing and even wiring looms to judge it.
anyway carry on folks on your LS1 bashing. it only makes sense really. BTW, the swapped guys dont talk **** about guys who keep rotorys just the ones who preach it
Now, I got that out of the way I can move on. every car builder has a goal and usually does an outline to achieve this goal and ways to reach it. Are there cookie cutter builds out there? yeah sure. Are they easier than swapping to a 20b or 13brew or such? possibly, depending on your skill level. I myself decided to turn my car into an all around fighter, not a brapping fun car that it used to be. So, I started the whole thing with the respeed R&P kit which utilizes a mustang steering rack to get a very quick ratio. from there I build up a custom engine mount system to hold the LS1. then I went to the corners and did the coilovers and realized I was a bit heavy in the front now. So I upgraded to the 8.8 rear axle to even out my weight. but wait, the rotary was lighter? almost. the stock 12a center mass sat approximately 8" forward of the LS1 center mass. so much in fact that when I put in the rollbar my rear actually weighs more. After adding fluids to all the systems, it evened out again, WOW!
My point is, that it is all in the eye of the owner. Do I appreciate a rotaory? hell yeah! will I try to bring him to the dark side? meh, if he is willing or wnats to. But I will not take the fun he has from him. when the inevitable breakdown from forcing too much power out of that little motor comes I will extend my hand and help him in either direction.
Oh, and to the guy who beat a swapped seven, that was a shitty swap man. they arent on par with proper builds. some builds are better than others and others stand out to give us a bad name. when I open the hood I look at the details NOT the motor. I will look over the mounting solutions and plumbing and even wiring looms to judge it.
anyway carry on folks on your LS1 bashing. it only makes sense really. BTW, the swapped guys dont talk **** about guys who keep rotorys just the ones who preach it
#72
Im on the fence on both sides. I own both a rotary car and an LS car.
Both are AWESOME. It really depends on what you're gonna be using the car for.
For daily driving, my LS2 is amazing. Assloads of low end torque, the sound, how easy it is to pick up power. The tuning capabilities. Its endless with the v8.
On the weekend, its a blast to take the rotary out. Its literally like starting up a race car. The choppy idle, the distinct sound. I love it.
I couldnt do the LS swap to my FD because i still love rotary. However i have to own or experience an LS FD someday.
Both are AWESOME. It really depends on what you're gonna be using the car for.
For daily driving, my LS2 is amazing. Assloads of low end torque, the sound, how easy it is to pick up power. The tuning capabilities. Its endless with the v8.
On the weekend, its a blast to take the rotary out. Its literally like starting up a race car. The choppy idle, the distinct sound. I love it.
I couldnt do the LS swap to my FD because i still love rotary. However i have to own or experience an LS FD someday.
#74
Hi, I read all the post about rotary verses ls1. All are very interesting. It's just your perference. My car is an 89 convertible. It had the rotary with auto. Just didn't have enough getup-an-go, even for my wife. I did a ls1 swap and it is great. It's black with a body kit on it with blacked out tail and parking lights. All the logo has been removed. The first question everyone ask is "what the hell is it". It get lots of looks and great comments. Oh, and did I mention it's rocket ship. You can check "Grannys speed shop" for all the parts you need for the swap, if you decide to go that way. Good luck
#75
Hi, I read all the post about rotary verses ls1. All are very interesting. It's just your perference. My car is an 89 convertible. It had the rotary with auto. Just didn't have enough getup-an-go, even for my wife. I did a ls1 swap and it is great. It's black with a body kit on it with blacked out tail and parking lights. All the logo has been removed. The first question everyone ask is "what the hell is it". It get lots of looks and great comments. Oh, and did I mention it's rocket ship. You can check "Grannys speed shop" for all the parts you need for the swap, if you decide to go that way. Good luck
for argument sake, an auto and rotary should never have been combined. even the FD autos i have driven were barely quicker than a 2nd gen turbo II with 5 speed, that is how much you lose with an auto dropped into one of these cars. you also chose the fattest 7 ever made and had it with an auto. of course it was less than lackluster..