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Old 01-22-11, 10:29 AM
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MA 3rotor question... searched but not getting a definitive answer...

Buddy of mine suggested me going 3rotor over LS1... It would probably end up cheaper in the end.

I know NOTHING about rotary engines at all... Frankly... they confuse me, but that's a whole different subject and I will learn with more reading...

My whole reasoning for an LS1 was tq down low... I want to Time attack the car and do track events and have tq so I could come up off the corners and control the car with my foot, not the boost.

However, I have seen a few 3rotor dynos, that seem to have the peak tq right around 3500... which is fairly comparable to an LS1...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJJlvw7SGtY I found this video on here supposedly of a 3rotor FD running with an LSX FD... They seem almost comparable...

So what would I have to do to keep good low end tq? Is staying sequential and just upgrading turbos the best option? Is a single GT35R a better option?

I am looking for in the range of 450-500rwhp and i'd like to have tq withing 50 numbers... Am I asking too much? Like I said, just not familiar with these engines at all yet...

Thanks for ANY help!

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Old 01-22-11, 10:42 AM
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A 35R is a bit small. A 4088R would put down those numbers all day long with excellent response low and midrange. Just a mild street port will do the job, mainly to clean up the funny 20B exhaust ports and enlarge the primaries a little.
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Would I need to upgrade anything engine wise to keep reliability there? I don't want to be busting stuff up every time I run the car hard.

I'll look into 4088, I just thought of the 35R cause I ran one on a couple boosted Nissan's I've had. it made great power and had quick response.
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Rotaries have huge combustion chambers compared to piston cars. So you need more air to achieve the same boost. Hence why the 35R is small for a 20B.
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Ahhh okay!

I am trying to find a couple dyno sheets of people making in the range of power I am looking for with a 4088r or 42r, I want to see where the tq curve REALLY starts to ramp up. I have been spoiled owning a couple cobras lately... That torque is REALLY something that is nice to have in the right spot... I was avoiding going back to 4cyl land in 240s for the lack of low and mid range tq. I will keep looking and post any more questions I might have here.

Thanks Guys =)
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which turbine housing on the 4088r?

I read the turbo is good for close to 600whp on the 13b... assuming more on the 20b... Since I am looking for under 500whp, I think I would be okay with the .85 A/R turbine housing for a quicker spool, no?
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Here is a 20B with a GT42

https://www.rx7club.com/20b-forum-95/dyno-343143/
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1.0 undivided or 1.06 divided. Keep in mind with the divided housing you will need to split the 3rd rotor between valutes which is bit funky.
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You can make 500 whp with the stock 3 rotor turbos and have boost and torque almost instantly. Check out Pettit's


And it will NOT be cheaper to do a 3 rotor. . plan on 15k just for getting the motor in there. And that is cheap
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Originally Posted by mazda RE
Ya need about $35000 to make huge power out off a 20bre engine reason why import motors on high boost they will not last.
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35k to make power out of a 20B seems a bit high.. there are shops out there than can do it for half that
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