13B engine woes
#26
Timing is/was spot on. I tried advancing and retarding it a tad, but either way didn't really yield results. I also got it started, and got code 18. TPS, yes?
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#27
You'll want to check pin 2F of the ECU w/key to on and the engine as hot as it can possibly get and it should read 1 volt. You can also check the connector which plugs into the TPS pigtail where the Green/Red wire is under the same conditions as listed above. You should check the side of the connector opposite of the pigtail and you should do this test first and if it measures 1 volt or close to it then check it at the ECU. If you don't get voltage at the connector plugging into the pigtail then you cannot get the voltage at the ECU where it needs to be thus you should then reexamine the connector and try to figure out why the voltage from the TPS is not passing through the connector properly.
#28
And it appears you have a second code being flashed. It looks to be a 23 or 33 depending on whether there is a long flash between codes given or not as I believe when the codes are first checked there should be a long flash before the codes are revealed.
#32
Ok, I will experiment more tomorrow. Maybe this is the cause of it all. I noticed that if I unplugged the TPS with the car running it didn't change the way it was running. I know that's how to test the TPS on a Supra, not sure if it works here too.
#33
Still haven't read the compression test have been done. It's one of the easiest ways of debunking almost everything else that could be wrong/right. It seriously doesn't take that long neither. I've done the adjust idle, TPS, timing, and when everything was spot on it still had to be brought up past 3K RPMs just to get decent acceleration. Did the compression test and yea. The rear rotor was dead
#34
Compression test hasn't been performed yet. I don't have a good tester (Mine leaks), and I have to drive a little while to go borrow one from anywhere. I get home very late in the afternoon from work, and by the time I finally get home I just don't feel like driving anymore honestly. I hope to get around to it soon, as I will be buying one. Also, I noticed something weird. I was adjusting the TPS, and I noticed... their is something inside of the throttle body that is "Running" full time with the key on, yet quits when the key is switched off. What inside of the throttle body is 12v+ switched? I thought it was a bad injector, but when I unplugged them both at the same time, the sound remains.
#35
I have a good question. Is it common for the 13b to run without both primary injectors hooked up? I unplugged them both, and the engine still ran exactly the same as it did with them plugged up.
#36
The injectors towards the top of the engine are the secondary injectors. Are these the injectors you unplugged? In any case the secondary injectors only work w/the rpm at 3800 or higher and the car under load.
#37
Yeah, those are the ones. I had them confused. I think it's going to be a fuel issue at this point. The only injectors changed were the secondaries. I believe a injector is stuck open, and it's flooding itself horribly. I'm going to replace the primaries this weekend and see if that will change anything. I wonder if that would explain the clicking I keep hearing at the intake. Hm.
#39
ECU pins 3W (Light Green) and 3Y (Light Green/Black) are your primary injectors. These should read 12 volts w/key to on. If they do then they are not opening unless one or both are already stuck open to begin with. If they both read 12 volts then they shouldn't be clicking. The caveat to this is the other wires (one each for each injector), which should be the constant voltage, and if these wires are accidentally grounding then that would fire the injector(s). The two pins previously listed are the pulsing wires to activate the injectors. If either pin 3W or 3Y are lower than 12 volts such as 0 volts to 6 volts then the ECU is trying to fire the injector(s). If the other wire to the injector, which is Black/Yellow, have a ground on it accidentally then the injector is opening when it should not.
Last edited by satch; 07-05-13 at 05:24 PM.
#40
Well, 3Y is at 12v, 3W is at 12v, and black/yellow is at 11.5 volts. If I stick my head on top of the upper intake, I can hear a constant, faint buzz on the intake runner side. And If I unhook the battery for a few minutes then hook it back up, something on the exhaust side clicks, like something is shutting. Other than that, the only clicking sounds are obvious relays, etc. I feel like we're getting close.
#41
Well, 3Y is at 12v, 3W is at 12v, and black/yellow is at 11.5 volts. If I stick my head on top of the upper intake, I can hear a constant, faint buzz on the intake runner side. And If I unhook the battery for a few minutes then hook it back up, something on the exhaust side clicks, like something is shutting. Other than that, the only clicking sounds are obvious relays, etc. I feel like we're getting close.
#42
Well the car hasn't been ran other than about 4 hours ago, and it was ran for maybe 2 minutes. It's cool now, but the buzzing is still there, and the buzz only exists if the key is in the on position.
Last edited by fanatic; 07-05-13 at 07:19 PM.
#43
The Main Relay has two plugs. One has four wires. Unplug this plug. Then jumper voltage from the White/Red wire in the plug to the B/Y wire in the plug. Then listen for the clicking/buzzing you hear. If you don't hear it then you know the B/W wire at the Main Relay must be feeding this buzzing/clicking device in one way or another.
Last edited by satch; 07-05-13 at 07:34 PM.
#44
Alright, I will go give that a shot. It's such a faint buzz that it's hard to hear without your head on the upper intake.
I noticed the buzz apparently follows this fellow.
If I stick my head on the intake and hook the cable up with the key in "on", it sounds something like "Pop, click click click", then silence. The buzz in the intake duplicates the same sound, but keeps buzzing very, very slightly. Oh, and my sound effect there sucked, I know haha. Going to go unplug some wires.
I noticed the buzz apparently follows this fellow.
If I stick my head on the intake and hook the cable up with the key in "on", it sounds something like "Pop, click click click", then silence. The buzz in the intake duplicates the same sound, but keeps buzzing very, very slightly. Oh, and my sound effect there sucked, I know haha. Going to go unplug some wires.
#46
#50
Injectors and brake pads came today. I know the pads won't help it run better, but it needs done. They sent me the wrong front pads with the correct rears. Drivers rear went in without a hitch, passenger rear? ..Oh boy. The pads were literally steel backing on brake rotor. They were so low that the caliper piston came out far enough to tear the rubber boot. Soooo, I will be swapping injectors at the end of this week and ordering a caliper rebuild kit
. Watch my luck, injectors will fix it and I'll want to drive it, yet have no brakes.. I'll be super pissed haha
. Watch my luck, injectors will fix it and I'll want to drive it, yet have no brakes.. I'll be super pissed haha