Wow, this thread is growing faster than I can keep up with it! But as a fellow rotorhead, I gotta add something. I was a little upset after traveling 315+ miles from NH and spending $100 on gas and tolls, to pay $30 for my car and passenger to bake in the sun and be in a car show I had no intentions of being in ( not a 'show' car). But I did meet some cool people and see some nice cars. After watching some big cars bang down the track, I left at 3:00 cause it got boring. I liked the music etc that we had in the past, What happened? I definitley missed all the fuss too, but after 7 hours of shitty hot driving, made it home. I give props to those that want to take this into their own hands and put on a more 'suitable' gathering, where things posted (like admission cost) dont 'change' for whatever reason. Dude, having MAZDASPEED or anything of the such would be awesome, and thats what its all about. So keep me signed up for any future gatherings, cause all of ya (excluding well....) are a bunch of great people! Also it was nice to be there early to see the NYRA, NJRA, CTRA etc roll in, what a sight!!!!!!

 

I dunno man, I was jealous when I first saw your car in the parking lot, especially while driving. Looks like show quality to me Even the black front bumper looked good

 

hEY ted, you should really read the entire post, especially page 2 where i explain the whole situation.

Its not really a money issue when you think about it. Vosko saw the page i made and he said everything was fine, even the $5 admittance to the racetrack.

Then we go to the event and he tells everyone a different story, he tells me the track ALL OF A SUDDEN raised it. Upon talking to track officials they said they only take $5 per head, what ever they do at the gate is all them and not the track.

Now this is pure dishonesty. People traveled 100+ miles some for 8 hours from NH and some from FL to get reamed in the *** once they get there for a mis advertised price.

I even told vosko even if he had to say $10 a head its totally fine, cuz we all understand it costs $$ to hold an event (even though it was poorly organized).

But he had to make sure that it was known. He even admitted that he never posted the price. How in the hell can you hold an event and advertise and never POST THE PRICE. Therefore everyone would assume its the same setup as the year before which it was. I showed him my site he said it was fine, so what more can i say. He just jacked up the price cuz he wanted to make some $$$

So im sorry i cant agree with you until you read the entire post and make a well justified decision on this matter. Take your time its a really good story lol

And FYI we are already working on an event that is true to all the rotary people. NO scams will be involved and the participants will grade the event and speak their minds, and we will welcome it and their suggestions.

Fact of the matter its about character, and to pull a trick like this is messed up. =(



Jason NYC

 

Once again...Thank you...

 

Thanks for the support. We all appreciate it. The caravan we put together brought a lil over 70 cars to the event. And after the fiasco, our guys left and left the place a lil dry hehe. Well soemthing nice for next year so you NH guys can have a blast and enjoy the event, and can think about it the whole way home.

Thanks =)

EDIT: Come to think about it when we first approached vosko and were talking with the track official, i thought i saw someone with a camera, i would love to see that video where its recorded that the track only charges $5 per head and whatever is charged at the gate is not the racetracks doing.

ANyone? THis video will put all of this to rest

Jason NYC

 

I don't think there's anything that needs to be put to rest. everything just is what it is

 

to overstate the ovbious, I dont care about the money...I do care about sponsoring someone else's 240sx!

Jon, I've known you for a very long time even from before the forum. I always thought of you as a nice kid. Its very disapointing...
I didnt expect that from you.

Its funny, I was gonna buy a tshirt from Polak but that was right when I was heading to grab a bite and I see Jason gathering up a little crowd...

free bump for Polak...
if you do go ahead and make the really funny *** t's that were posted a few pages ago, can you take prepayment? for at least 3! Black, M. thanx lol

 

Wow... It took me almost 5 hours to read this thread...

Well to begin with the $5.00 a head is unrealistic. For what this was, sitting in the sun watching drags and walking around checking out others setups was worth about $10.00 a head in my opinon.

Now, if there were entertainment like bikini contest, music, racing your own ride and better quality trofies, then $20.00 + a more reasonable $5.00 a spectator would be worth it. Only because Its at Island dragway.

If this were held else where I wouldn't mind paying $30.00 + $10.00 for a spectator. Only because I know the facility would be better.

Now to my complaint.... A while back I posted up on nopistons.com on voskos thread offering my suport and knowledge to help better this event by getting some vendors in to help out with the cost of expences... I Knew 3 shops that were ready to pay money to set up booths at this event and I stated this to him on his thread. Can you believe he did not even have the courtesy or the decency to reply...

Anyway I thought he had the event down to a science by now... ( I thought wrong.) Even at RotorFest 2004 I gave constructive critism to them so they can make it better and all I got was people bad mouthing me over at the nopistons forum... What an ungreatful bunch.

Hopefully 2008 will be a better event. I wouldn't use RotorFest's name only because It's disgraced and It's associated with vosko's name... I would say when promoting it," If you liked Rotorfest you'll love ROTARYFEST! trademark 2007. Copy right Dwayne Rivera all rights reserved. lol

I will even go as far as helping out in organising a comittee for next years event...

For all that wanted to know how many cars attended there were 175 quoted from voskos own mouth to my ears if I remember correctly, so for those interested on how much he put in his pocket. You do the math.

As for the caravan it was still my high light of the trip... Hopefully next year some girls ******* will be the high light...lol

Jason, sorry you got kicked out, at least you left on your own and not in the back of a police car with blood on your hands. Its not worth it.

Finally to all my fellow members out there... Please excuse me for not attending much meets, For those who know me I am a father of two beautiful toddlers that occupy most of my time. Also they dont fit in my FD and getting a good babysitter is almost impossible...

Dwayne

 

So some people are upset because the event cost $5, $10, or whatever dollars more than expected? Who cares really? If that amount of money breaks you then you shouldn't be driving a sports car. Or maybe its a principle thing? The way I see is this was a matter of miscommunication. Sounds to me like some people went by the price on rotraryrocket7's unofficial website which was apparently incorrect. I actually missed all the "excitement" as I went to the other side to get some runs in just before the argument happened. I don't care if you're upset about the price, a mature person would handle this professionally, not threaten to fight anyone. That alone warrants ejection from the event. Also, the person running/organizing an event has the right to charge whatever they feel is fair and set the ground rules. If you don't like it, don't attend. This is not directed at anyone in particular. If the prices/rules weren't made clear, then that is another issue. This was supposed to be a gathering for fun, socializing, and racing. Its sad that it has turned into this. Either way I had a good time. It was hot but even though there were other cars there I got a bunch of runs in. Maybe some people would like a different type of event so those that would like to organize one should feel free. Maybe then everyone can be happy. And guys, keep the racing on the track or go home. I saw one individual speeding around the pits and almost losing it around a turn and another tearing up the grass in the parking lot. There were alot of people and children walking around. Thats the kind of behavior that ensures we wouldn't be invited back.

 

hey rotary experimental seven thanx for them 3rd gen parts haha my friend said as soon as he gets his 3rd gen on road he let me drive it haha thanx

 

No problem

 

Assuming 100 extra spectators, thats $3125 minus the cost of trophies. Judging by the trophies, that's probably like $3000 pocketed by the last minute change up.

 

I gotta say I was upset about the jacking up of the prices and all dat. I had heard repeatedly from a number of different people that Vosko jacked up the price and that the track owners were only charging $5. With that said with the extra money that was pocketed, next years event should be free. Yea I know there is a cost that has to be paid to rent out the place and all, but I dont believe it warrants one person to go home with extra dough in their pocket. At least not as much as they did. The extra I paid didnt break me, but some people were going there with a particular budget because they factored in only $5 for an entrance fee and not more then that. So for some people this was a kick in the nuts. Considering the place is wide open no shade and the food was ridiculously priced. Next year I will not attend this event.

NYRA Fam

 

thanks for spelling that out for my drunk ***. i didn't understand it at all through all the pages.

But Iwillbe at the next all rotary fest or rotorfest whatever it will be called. I have no ill feelings toward anyone. But I'm a happy drunk

 

I cant see how the track can even stay open charging $5 per person, taxes, insurance, up keep (as little as they need ), employees, etc...

does not matter, once you express an opinion other then lynching vosko your a nut rider.

If you just talk logic are you still a nut rider? Just trying to make it realistic for everyone.

There WAS other rotorfest sites, they failed.

There WAS a TRI-STATE RX7 club, it failed. It failed because people lose interest- then another crowd comes along
and they revive it.

History repeats itself my friends.

 

Cause the track is a **** hole on a flood plain in the middle of Nowhere, NJ.

I got the same courtesy when I offered suggestions, and it's also why I didn't attend. This event becoming a for profit event while supposedly being non-profit without anyone the wiser is just shameful and disturbing.

 

I actually dont remember it ever being called non-profit, its not charity, its a car show.

Not saying its right, just stating facts.


And **** hole or not- the place still has bills that need to be paid.
You cant have a race track in the middle of Times Square, it has to be in the middle of no place. ATCO is in the middle of nowhere too, last time I went it cost me alot more then $5 to get in there.

 

I will start them up right away so every one can wear at the next RF (the real RF)..let me know..lol

 

Lol....Ill buy one...

 

Well heres a fact for you:

The reasoning behind jumping on anyone with a suggestion is that Jason was doing this for FREE on his own time.

Go back and re-read the rotorfest threads on nopistons and here prior to this weekend.

 

yO, IHOR dunno if you read the entire thread but i showed vosko the website and he said it LOOKED GOOD. I told him is everything correct about RF, the address, time and cost, he said YES it looks good. SO its not UNOFFICIAL its me being a nice guy trying to advertise the event, and to make sure people are well aware.

Im sorry if trying to keep everyone informed is a fucked up thing. I even asked vosko specifically if the price was the same, he said yeah. So what do you want me to say, i didnt **** up.

If he woulda said , jay its not $5 its $15 per person the tracked raised the prices then i would of changed it, and NO ONE WOULD OF GOTTEN ANGRY, because we would have BEEN INFORMED before arriving to the track.

So do you see what i keep saying, its not about the $$ its about the bait and switch. We understand he has to pay the track, and the track takes the money by charging $5/head.

Also dont say that people shouldnt be driving a sports car , many of the people attending can afford the price but the point is he all of a sudden raised the price the day of the event. Tell me what respectible racetrack does that? None!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

aND If the track really did change the prices then why did me, my girl, my brother and his wife with two cars, who were supposed to pay $60 only paid $30? If it was really the track than that would be UNACCEPTABLE, but if its vosko money, hes like well he gave me $30 and i gotta pay the track$20 so i only made $10 profit, still better than NOTHING.

So thats the deal man.


Jason NYC

 

I agree with most everything here except the "principle" part. The was no miscommunication, it was clear that Vosko had jacked up prices at the door. I wouldn't mind too much if I learned at the gate that the entry fee had gone up a little because that is what the owners were charging, because that is the way business runs. But when Jason confronted the owner with Vosko standing right there, the owner said it was only $5. Then Vosko spouted some BS about every car being in the car show. If that was a car show, I'll NEVER enter one again, because noone got any information from me, or even notified me I was in one. I didn't want to be in any damn car show, mine just wasn't ready.

Point is, he tells us at the gate that it's required to pay this amount, and the owner says its not true. That makes Vosko a liar, period.

 

Make it realistic? You said we made it so you were ashamed to own these cars. So sell it, I won't lose any sleep.

Your logic wasn't realistic, it was aggresive.

 

I'm not singling anyone out. It just seamed to me like it was a miscommunication about the price posted on the website vs the forums. If I was told one price and it ended up being another I might be a little upset too. Thats why I said that part is another issue all together. What i meant by "unofficial" was it wasn't Vosko's site. The unprofessional handling of the situation is what I disagree with. Again, I wasn't there at the time as I was drag racing so I might have missed something. Either way, I have known Vosko for a long time and don't think he is the type to purposely rip anyone off. Not taking sides here, just speaking from my experiences.

 

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