F1blueRx7

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Didn't some of them come supercharged?

eage8

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yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what the 4agze engine is. the z stands for zuper

muythaibxr

yes, as eage8 pointed out, on some of the later ones (I'm not sure what year they started... maybe 1988?) they started using the 4agze instead of 4age... the 4agze is just a supercharged 4age. They share the same block, head, and crank, but rods, pistons, and possibly valve timing/lift (camshafts) are different.

I believe that the supercharged 4agze in the mk1 mr2 put out about 140 hp... the non supercharged one was rated at 115 crank hp but put out around 100 whp.

there were other 4agze's ... one with DLI (Distributorless ignition) ... I can't remember what that put out, but I think it was 160 or 170 whp... That engine was never sold in the US.... nor were either of the 20v's which were rated at 160 hp (silver top) and 165 hp (blacktop).

A lot of people like to do complete 20v swaps into their mr2's ... because it's such an easy swap... the 20v was originally transversely mounted in a fwd car... so mounting it in an mr2 and using the tranny are as simple as dropping the whole thing in, bolting it all up, and figuring out the shifter stuff (6 speed instead of 5 speed).

Enkidu

It's the 4age. That's why I am kind of excited.. I really like that engine. Although this model isn't as powerful as the hachi's 4age, it's still a great engine and I'm looking forward to driving it. Now if only the guy would call me back..

Although I can say this - the mr2club forums are nowhere near as beginner-friendly as rx7club's are. It's kind of daunting when I look at them

muythaibxr

I don't know what makes you think it's not as powerful... last I read it's more powerful since it doesn't have that whole drivetrain to push through... it's got less between the flywheel and the road basically.

the hachi's 4age is really only about 100 hp at the rear wheels with mods (intake and exhaust). It's even less stock.

it's a great engine though. I'm looking forward to my silver top 20v swap which will begin in the next couple of weeks. (I'm probably going to start on the wiring harness for the megasquirt soon).

Pele

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BTW, Enkidu, was the windshield on that FC cracked before the wreck, or was it the wreck that did it? Ditto for the driver's door closing funniness.

For being a rather anemic 4 banger, that truck handled the 100ish miles pretty well towing well over it's rated capacity. I wish I could say the same about the brakes.

Enkidu

I always thought the Hachi's GTS engine put out 125 to the wheels? I guess I might have been wrong then, but I could have sworn a read that on the club4age forums.

Actually, I apologize - I was wrong..
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/8422/4age.htm

The windshield was cracked before the recent accident, and I didn't know anything about the door - it seemed fine the last time I was there and now that you pointed something out..

muythaibxr

Yeah, the JAPANESE version of the hachi's 4age put out around 129 to the crank....

The American version of the hachi's 4age was rated at 115 crank hp, but on the dyno, you're usually lucky to get 100 rwhp.

Pele

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Just trying to gauge the frame damage.

On a side note, the hood's a little more bent up. Almost flew off in tow.

Enkidu

That's what I was looking at.. >_> I was also looking around (curiously) for aftermarket stuff.. do you have anything to recommend? I saw that HKS makes a nice exhaust for it, as well as some headers.

lol... oh man. It would have been crazy if that did fly off.. and bad :< as far as the rest of the car goes, there is that little bump on the sideskirt and in the rear fender, and the one taillight was cracked..

Bukwild

since when did this become a forum on corrola's? Leave all the 100 hp toyotas in the proper hands of some 16 year old kids who watch cartoons about cars drifting.

eage8

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I enjoy initial D

episode 15 and 16 aired last saturday

muythaibxr

Since when did it matter what we talk about in this thread?

I'm 25, and I have a hachi... which I plan on swapping a 160 hp engine into... 160 hp is pretty good when the car is only gonna weigh about 1900 -2000 lbs... horsepower != everything (which is why some people don't like putting turbos on everything either).

DarkAngelKamui

I concur, this area caters to the people with that "ADD Child" inside, only it's hopped up on crack and sugar-downed Kool Aide...

muythaibxr

Well, most of the stuff I'd be able to talk about would be exhausts, headers, etc.... for an ae86... I'm not sure what they make aftermarket wise for the mk1 mr2... I know for our hachi, opening up the intake (just putting on a cone filter) made the engine run a lot more smooth at idle... and made the T-VIS noise more noticable. I'm not sure if it helped other than that. The stock exhaust system should be good until you start swapping in crazy cams and such... we only changed our exhaust system b/c the stock one was rusting out, and a new stock one (manifold, downpipe, cat, cat-back) was going to cost as much as an aftermarket "performance" solution.... plus we are putting in the 20v which does benefit from the more freely flowing exhaust. (quad throttles and 3 intake valves per cylinder let quite a bit more air/fuel mixture in than the stock 16 valve).

Bukwild

"I enjoy initial D
episode 15 and 16 aired last saturday "

get a grip. I can remember when I was younger kids used to watch the 3 stooges and then try and hit each other with hammers and basically mimic what the stooges did. Now you have a cartoon of cars drifting and we have dumb *** young adults who mimic the cartoon on public roads. I used to watch the dukes of hazard but you don't see me buying the general lee and jumping the car over rivers and mimicing what the Dukes used to do. Why, because that would be stupid. The corolla was and still is the biggest POS toyota ever made.

muythaibxr

Ehh... I enjoy initial D also, but I'm not going to use the corolla just for drifting... and even when I do drift, it won't be on a public road... Hell, it's not even a very good car to learn to drift in when it's in stock form.... However, I have a serious interest in autocrossing, which is what I wanted the car for... I didn't buy that car because of initial D, My friend and I bought it because we like it. It's a cool, old-school car with a small, high-revving engine, and good power for its weight.... plus it's easy to work on and RELIABLE when taken care of properly. (A friend and I bought it together to make modding it cheaper for both of us... we were poor college students when we started)

I also disagree about your POS comment. There are a whole lot of corollas of all model years on the road today.... why? They're reliable, and they have decent pick-up for their weight. It's not unheard of for an ae86 to go over 200,000 miles without problems as long as it's maintained properly.

YF19

4age with itb's.

you could yank the 4age out of the 86 and put a s2k motor in. it's been done.

Enkidu

*nods* I'll make sure to check out the intake and all when I look at the AW11. I finally got a callback from the guy and he said the only thing wrong with it is the rear wheel wells have rusted through. I'm not going to complain if the thing passes inspection.

The Corolla has been a "cult" car ever since it was released and it certainly isn't a POS. I've driven a friend's GTS with RWD and the LSD, and I've only had more fun driving the FC I had. I don't know anyone here who has ever tried to drift their car on public roads either - I sure haven't because I know the dangers of it very well. Sorry, I'm pretty sure everyone on these boards is mature enough to know the difference between reality and fiction. Initial D is an enjoyable show and manga, which I enjoy translating. It's a fun thing that puts some really wonderful cars into the spotlight and gives kids a chance to know more about things they might not have known about otherwise.

To summarize - shut up you ignorant ***.

muythaibxr

Yeah, but the cost of that is several thousand dollars... and requires a lot of custom fabrication. You pretty much have to get rid of the whole stock drivetrain... Not really a DIY project unless you have a welder and the skills to use it, and are good at tracking down really old supra parts for the drivetrain replacement.

The 20v 4age is a drop-in replacement more or less .... (may require a little hammering on the firewall, but that's easy... and may require rerouting some of the coolant lines... also easy)...

Also:

Total cost of 20v 4age + megasquirt: ~$1000-1200

Total cost of s2k engine + labor + computer + drivetrain upgrade: at least $5000

Seems like a no-brainer to me. IF I want an s2k engine, I'll save up and buy an S2K

DarkAngelKamui

Wow, who shat in your frosted flakes this morning?


Anywho, you've got "drifters" and "Ricers" mixed up... (Warning: Here comes a rant for everyone that will enlighten your misguided minds about things related to drifting)

Drifting has been around since the late 70's, made popular by a man named Kunimitsu Takahashi, a driver in the All Japan Touring Car Championship races (Note: If you wanna say "Drifting requires no skill or is not based on REAL driving", STFU and read further).... He had a unique style of hitting the apex of the course turns at higher speeds then the rest of the racers were willing to follow, essentially "drifting" his way through to victory and legions of fans amazed by such a reckless technique....

Then came a young noob street racer called Keiichi Tsychiya (Note: For those that don't know, he's now the "Mario Andretti" of drifting.... The one and only DoriKin) who became fascinated with Kunimitsu's form and started practicing it on the streets of Japan, becoming a well known name with the "Hashiriya" (Note: That's "Racing Crowd" for those that don't know...)

Eventually, word got to the media about this new kid on the block and a video was made displaying his skills. "Pluspy" was an instant hit in the underground, inspiring pros and amateurs alike on the tracks and the streets. By 1986, drifting had gotten enough props to be held at tracks as it's own event, but it still was considered a useful thing for the track only... Well, that all changed a few years after that...

2001 was the premiere of Japanese company "Video OPTION"s D1 Professional Drifting League (I shouldn't even have to go into detail about what this is, IF you have any clue what drifting's high point is... and hell no, it ain't Initial D...)

And in 2003, Drifting hit shoreside when Japan decided to hold the first ever D1 outside of it's homeland's borders at Irwindale Speedway, thus sparking the "trend" of drifting you see today.....

Inbetween that time, there have been NUMEROUS videos and books about drifting, as one would expect of a popular pastime... It went so far as to spawn manga, or comic books, inspired by it in the 90's... A few to note are "Wangan Midnight", "Over-Rev!", and the all-popular "Initial D"...

So for you to go about and bitch about a driving style that people use as a hobby, yet not knowing that it actually came from the pros on the circuit is kinda retarded...

Yeah, the people that do it purely off a cartoon are retarded as hell.... But for the ones that actually study it and know what it's true purpose and application are, we REALLY get tired of people like Bukwild grouping us together with them....

It's just as bad as saying to someone "Yeah, I have a car that I like to work on and drive alot" to someone, and then getting a sneer from that person as they say "Oh, so you're one of those 'Fast and the Furious' types?"

muythaibxr

agreed, it's an incredibly fun car to drive... mainly because it's so light, and it's rear-wheel drive... it's very nimble. I had fun driving tofuball's vert... but everything about that car just felt a lot heavier...

I can honestly say I like driving the hachi better (especially with the new suspension... I've only puttered around the neighborhood with it on there so far due to the fact that I need to adjust the lateral bar and tighten all the 4 links and lateral bar where they bolt to the car... but just that little stroll through the neighborhood has me drooling about the next time I take it on a curvy road).

In stock form however, the FC handles much better than the ae86.

falnfenix

noonoonoo. 3sgte

falnfenix

oh, and bukwild - WHO GIVES A **** IF YOU DON"T LIKE COROLLAS? just because it's a topic of conversation doesn't mean you have to **** on it. deal.

don't read it if you don't like it

Enkidu

It's Keichi Tsuchiya, not Tsy ;p Everything else Kamui hit the nail on the head with. I would have liked to eventually taken my FC (and I possibly will take the AW11) out drifting at some point when I return to Vancouver. I would say though, that drifting has been around the west coast for a little while longer; I know of a few people who have been running through canyons and mountains in California and Nevada for a while now. With D1 coming here, however, I think it just became "official."

Before I drove my FC (the first stick I drove, btw and the first car I owned), I had only really been able to drive my parent's cars, a Corisca, a Celebrity (station wagon), and my mother's Civic. Thanks to my cousin's job at CarMax I was able to get behind the wheel of a few other cars as well, but I'll always remember the first time I really "pushed" my FC a bit on some corners.

Nothing else like it~

*tears up*



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