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06-27-09, 08:59 PM
#2626
Didn't you originaly put the v8 in your car instead of the rotary for reliability and to save money... with the initial cost to put the setup in and now the cost of rebuilding it. I am missing the part where you save money, or even gain reliability for that matter. HAHAHA
I'm putting together a car to make 750 RWHP, run low/mid 10s and get 30 mpg. The old setup was nearing that, had a stupid problem, broke it. **** happens, part of building cars. I was planning the big build before this happened, just had to move some stuff up in schedule for it. My 300 dollar short block died. Oh well.
Call me when you're making >500 RWHP, and again when you're making >700 RWHP. I don't care what you drive, it's going to cost $$$ to be reliable at that power level, period.
In that regard I don't think I could have put that better myself, definitely a lose lose situation. Fronting the extra cost and effort to swap an engine -no mater what the make- just for it to malfunction anyway!? later to spend money to build it again, but pay even more for expensive upgraded parts.. I don't understand the logic behind that.
It's not for me to understand.. I'll stick with ceramic apex seals and corner seals, cermet coated housings, some dowel pining, and say 30+ pounds of boost.. should be scary enough.
It's not for me to understand.. I'll stick with ceramic apex seals and corner seals, cermet coated housings, some dowel pining, and say 30+ pounds of boost.. should be scary enough.
Expense? The bottom end I ran in the car originally was 300 dollars, SHIPPED TO MY DOOR. Most of the other bits I built myself, and the cooling, fuel, etc, would be necessary regardless of rotary vs. V8. That motor made ~330 RWHP. Not a lot, but certainly not a slouch. Added about 2000 dollars to it and it made ~425 RWHP. Now I'm adding about 5000 more dollars, and it'll make ~750 RWHP. I don't think you could do a rotary for particularly cheaper. Honestly, I don't know that you could do ANY engine much cheaper. Maybe so, go build one and prove me wrong. I like seeing fast cars. Get up and do it.
Now, you don't understand the logic of building a basic package for shakedown, then building a better motor for more power? What the hell are you doing on a car board then; that's the most basic possible principle of cars, rotary, V8, whatever. Add power, break it, make it better, repeat as wallet allows. Simple enough.
Do you actually have said rotary? If so, great, sounds like a nice piece, come line up with me and we'll run them. If not, **** off until you ACTUALLY BUILD SOMETHING. I know you're butt hurt about a conversation you weren't a part of, but you really need to get over this crap. I have NO issues with rotaries. I wanted to build a fast car. The RX7 chassis is a great starting point for a great price so that's what I used. I talk as much crap about the LS1s that I OWN as I do about anything else. It's great that you keep digging that hole though.
Just call me when you're fast, junior.
Derek, you can quote me right now on this. Nick's car will run LOW 10s (maybe high 9s). You can consider that a dyno queen if you want to, but that's pretty good back up in my book.
You'll never see my car on a dyno. I honestly don't give a **** how much power it makes. I built it for fun (and because someone once told me I couldn't do it). The car is fun, so, mission successful.
And (I'm not being an *** here), what happened to the Scooby last night? Something in the rear end go?
06-27-09, 10:03 PM
#2628
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Allow me to make this thread more interesting. It’s getting pretty dead around here.
Very defisive lol, Leave it to NeverDieEasy to get his panties in a bundle over that, ha. You're not very awesome; you couldn't hear me because I'm not speaking. Mystery solved.
Freak accident? I think that defines any engine failure that wasn’t purposely intended. Going through the money figures is pretty redundant, anything can be said and the truth never known. Anyone can find bargains anywhere rotary or other make. It’s pretty retarded to go and call a v8 more reliable when it’s just as prone to “freak accidents” as a rotary. AS YOU CAN SEE. The only difference is the rotary owner needs to try harder to prevent them. Under the right circumstances a rotary will not fail, the key is to maintain those circumstances. When done correctly I see no unreliability issues. It’s a pretty moot point to call a rotary unreliable. To me knowledge is power, (anyone care to disagree?)not the bigger engine and more massive the twin turbos. (which by the way can’t help the weight distribution any up in front like that, but your welcome to prove me wrong when/if finished.)
It would be a completely different story if rotaries were -designed- to put out the power us enthusiasts are seeking. Somewhat like how the v8 in blakes car was not designed to put out the kind of power he was running. As obvious as it may be when u throw more boost into an engine that wasn’t designed for it **** tends to fail. The only difference is some of us take the initiative to upgrade the rotary that is in the car to begin with rather than run away from the challenge (which is what makes it FUN) like a coward.
NeverDieEasy Hopefully your quarter mile isn’t as disgraceful as blakes after all is said and done since that’s all you 2 seem to care about. Typical American asshats assume we all give a **** about running the quarter mile. Why? I don’t. I own an rx7 not a drag car. And no I don’t want it to be one. If I did I would be concerned.
At the end of the day I don’t really care what you do with your cars. Unless you wrap it around something, like I said previously the chassis is salvageable. Your dumbasses, yes.. TO ME, end of story. I have nothing to get over blake. You like to argue about irrelevant nonsense and despite what you say u and neverdieeasy obviously enjoy it so quit being little bitches and stop acting like it's a burden to do so, but thank you for telling me you have no issues with rotaries, because I was so worried about whether you do or not. (sarcasm)
Allow me to make this thread more interesting. It’s getting pretty dead around here.
Very defisive lol, Leave it to NeverDieEasy to get his panties in a bundle over that, ha. You're not very awesome; you couldn't hear me because I'm not speaking. Mystery solved.
Freak accident? I think that defines any engine failure that wasn’t purposely intended. Going through the money figures is pretty redundant, anything can be said and the truth never known. Anyone can find bargains anywhere rotary or other make. It’s pretty retarded to go and call a v8 more reliable when it’s just as prone to “freak accidents” as a rotary. AS YOU CAN SEE. The only difference is the rotary owner needs to try harder to prevent them. Under the right circumstances a rotary will not fail, the key is to maintain those circumstances. When done correctly I see no unreliability issues. It’s a pretty moot point to call a rotary unreliable. To me knowledge is power, (anyone care to disagree?)not the bigger engine and more massive the twin turbos. (which by the way can’t help the weight distribution any up in front like that, but your welcome to prove me wrong when/if finished.)
It would be a completely different story if rotaries were -designed- to put out the power us enthusiasts are seeking. Somewhat like how the v8 in blakes car was not designed to put out the kind of power he was running. As obvious as it may be when u throw more boost into an engine that wasn’t designed for it **** tends to fail. The only difference is some of us take the initiative to upgrade the rotary that is in the car to begin with rather than run away from the challenge (which is what makes it FUN) like a coward.
NeverDieEasy Hopefully your quarter mile isn’t as disgraceful as blakes after all is said and done since that’s all you 2 seem to care about. Typical American asshats assume we all give a **** about running the quarter mile. Why? I don’t. I own an rx7 not a drag car. And no I don’t want it to be one. If I did I would be concerned.
At the end of the day I don’t really care what you do with your cars. Unless you wrap it around something, like I said previously the chassis is salvageable. Your dumbasses, yes.. TO ME, end of story. I have nothing to get over blake. You like to argue about irrelevant nonsense and despite what you say u and neverdieeasy obviously enjoy it so quit being little bitches and stop acting like it's a burden to do so, but thank you for telling me you have no issues with rotaries, because I was so worried about whether you do or not. (sarcasm)
06-28-09, 01:55 AM
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I know rob I know..
Allow me to make this thread more interesting. It’s getting pretty dead around here.
Very defisive lol, Leave it to NeverDieEasy to get his panties in a bundle over that, ha. You're not very awesome; you couldn't hear me because I'm not speaking. Mystery solved.
Freak accident? I think that defines any engine failure that wasn’t purposely intended. Going through the money figures is pretty redundant, anything can be said and the truth never known. Anyone can find bargains anywhere rotary or other make. It’s pretty retarded to go and call a v8 more reliable when it’s just as prone to “freak accidents” as a rotary. AS YOU CAN SEE. The only difference is the rotary owner needs to try harder to prevent them. Under the right circumstances a rotary will not fail, the key is to maintain those circumstances. When done correctly I see no unreliability issues. It’s a pretty moot point to call a rotary unreliable. To me knowledge is power, (anyone care to disagree?)not the bigger engine and more massive the twin turbos. (which by the way can’t help the weight distribution any up in front like that, but your welcome to prove me wrong when/if finished.)
It would be a completely different story if rotaries were -designed- to put out the power us enthusiasts are seeking. Somewhat like how the v8 in blakes car was not designed to put out the kind of power he was running. As obvious as it may be when u throw more boost into an engine that wasn’t designed for it **** tends to fail. The only difference is some of us take the initiative to upgrade the rotary that is in the car to begin with rather than run away from the challenge (which is what makes it FUN) like a coward.
NeverDieEasy Hopefully your quarter mile isn’t as disgraceful as blakes after all is said and done since that’s all you 2 seem to care about. Typical American asshats assume we all give a **** about running the quarter mile. Why? I don’t. I own an rx7 not a drag car. And no I don’t want it to be one. If I did I would be concerned.
At the end of the day I don’t really care what you do with your cars. Unless you wrap it around something, like I said previously the chassis is salvageable. Your dumbasses, yes.. TO ME, end of story. I have nothing to get over blake. You like to argue about irrelevant nonsense and despite what you say u and neverdieeasy obviously enjoy it so quit being little bitches and stop acting like it's a burden to do so, but thank you for telling me you have no issues with rotaries, because I was so worried about whether you do or not. (sarcasm)
Allow me to make this thread more interesting. It’s getting pretty dead around here.
Very defisive lol, Leave it to NeverDieEasy to get his panties in a bundle over that, ha. You're not very awesome; you couldn't hear me because I'm not speaking. Mystery solved.
Freak accident? I think that defines any engine failure that wasn’t purposely intended. Going through the money figures is pretty redundant, anything can be said and the truth never known. Anyone can find bargains anywhere rotary or other make. It’s pretty retarded to go and call a v8 more reliable when it’s just as prone to “freak accidents” as a rotary. AS YOU CAN SEE. The only difference is the rotary owner needs to try harder to prevent them. Under the right circumstances a rotary will not fail, the key is to maintain those circumstances. When done correctly I see no unreliability issues. It’s a pretty moot point to call a rotary unreliable. To me knowledge is power, (anyone care to disagree?)not the bigger engine and more massive the twin turbos. (which by the way can’t help the weight distribution any up in front like that, but your welcome to prove me wrong when/if finished.)
It would be a completely different story if rotaries were -designed- to put out the power us enthusiasts are seeking. Somewhat like how the v8 in blakes car was not designed to put out the kind of power he was running. As obvious as it may be when u throw more boost into an engine that wasn’t designed for it **** tends to fail. The only difference is some of us take the initiative to upgrade the rotary that is in the car to begin with rather than run away from the challenge (which is what makes it FUN) like a coward.
NeverDieEasy Hopefully your quarter mile isn’t as disgraceful as blakes after all is said and done since that’s all you 2 seem to care about. Typical American asshats assume we all give a **** about running the quarter mile. Why? I don’t. I own an rx7 not a drag car. And no I don’t want it to be one. If I did I would be concerned.
At the end of the day I don’t really care what you do with your cars. Unless you wrap it around something, like I said previously the chassis is salvageable. Your dumbasses, yes.. TO ME, end of story. I have nothing to get over blake. You like to argue about irrelevant nonsense and despite what you say u and neverdieeasy obviously enjoy it so quit being little bitches and stop acting like it's a burden to do so, but thank you for telling me you have no issues with rotaries, because I was so worried about whether you do or not. (sarcasm)
06-28-09, 02:09 AM
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Freak accident? I think that defines any engine failure that wasn’t purposely intended. Going through the money figures is pretty redundant, anything can be said and the truth never known. Anyone can find bargains anywhere rotary or other make. It’s pretty retarded to go and call a v8 more reliable when it’s just as prone to “freak accidents” as a rotary. AS YOU CAN SEE. The only difference is the rotary owner needs to try harder to prevent them. Under the right circumstances a rotary will not fail, the key is to maintain those circumstances. When done correctly I see no unreliability issues. It’s a pretty moot point to call a rotary unreliable. To me knowledge is power, (anyone care to disagree?)not the bigger engine and more massive the twin turbos. (which by the way can’t help the weight distribution any up in front like that, but your welcome to prove me wrong when/if finished.)
Do you really, honestly think you're more intelligent than me? Seriously? Jesus Christ, you can't even line up a coherent counterpoint in 5 paragraphs of argument.
The difference between a freak accident and a power induced engine failure is huge. Detonating a piston and breaking it, that's a power related issue. A rocker arm fatiguing randomly is a freak failure. You don't understand a difference there? Really?
And the weight distribution argument is so 2002. Get over it. I don't road race the car, I don't care (it's 52/48 in my car, with the iron block, FWIW. Another 110 coming off the front wheels soon). When was the last time you set your car up on proper corner weights? What's your balance? Have any clue?
It would be a completely different story if rotaries were -designed- to put out the power us enthusiasts are seeking. Somewhat like how the v8 in blakes car was not designed to put out the kind of power he was running. As obvious as it may be when u throw more boost into an engine that wasn’t designed for it **** tends to fail. The only difference is some of us take the initiative to upgrade the rotary that is in the car to begin with rather than run away from the challenge (which is what makes it FUN) like a coward.
FWIW, the failure of my engine had 0 to do with power. It dislodged a cam bearing and starved the rear rod bearings for oil. **** happens.
As far as coward, you're the one who sat around steaming at Hall's then waited to talk **** till you were on the internet. Got me there, tough guy.
NeverDieEasy Hopefully your quarter mile isn’t as disgraceful as blakes after all is said and done since that’s all you 2 seem to care about. Typical American asshats assume we all give a **** about running the quarter mile. Why? I don’t. I own an rx7 not a drag car. And no I don’t want it to be one. If I did I would be concerned.
Typical American *** hats? Where are you from, Canada? And an RX7 isn't a drag car? It's a CAR. Do with it what you will.
I'm happy to keep arguing with you on here. Perhaps somewhere along the way you'll actually make a point. Right now the best you have is "I don't drag race so it's dumb" and "You didn't build a rotary, so you don't know how, it's too hard for you." Did you build your rotary or did Mazda?
Let's see that superior intellect. Prove a point, stop trying to put up strawmen, I'm not buying it.
06-28-09, 02:14 AM
#2634
Just don't let Keith hear, since we're all unsophisticated neanderthals for racing in a straight line.Seriously though, I want to be like you when I grow up.
Tony, much respect for Evo man. That car is not playing around, at all.
I'm going to go cut myself now, Keith has hurt my feelings.
06-28-09, 02:20 AM
#2635
haha I knew you ******* would be on here. I really thought the vet was gonna spank the evo and if not i thought it would be neck and neck not a 5 to 6 car rape.
lol its funny these guys are talking **** about drag racing and for some reason I have never seen them at a road race or auto x before. Just wait some day im gonna have a dope drag car as soon as one of you two sell me the fd or fc.......... no joke
lol its funny these guys are talking **** about drag racing and for some reason I have never seen them at a road race or auto x before. Just wait some day im gonna have a dope drag car as soon as one of you two sell me the fd or fc.......... no joke
06-28-09, 02:56 AM
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all this talk is hopefully going towards a little grudge match )insert cough cough hint hint) even though i love anything that is done up hardcore and right, i might just have to put in a t2 diff so i can launch without shattering things and come join in the fun and rep the dark side over here.....
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haha I knew you ******* would be on here. I really thought the vet was gonna spank the evo and if not i thought it would be neck and neck not a 5 to 6 car rape.
lol its funny these guys are talking **** about drag racing and for some reason I have never seen them at a road race or auto x before. Just wait some day im gonna have a dope drag car as soon as one of you two sell me the fd or fc.......... no joke
lol its funny these guys are talking **** about drag racing and for some reason I have never seen them at a road race or auto x before. Just wait some day im gonna have a dope drag car as soon as one of you two sell me the fd or fc.......... no joke
Is keith secretly the douche with the green fb???
06-28-09, 09:52 AM
#2640
LOL, Rob, I just have two words for you.
DO IT! There is money to be made street racing your car. How much does that thing weigh again?
In a hilarious turn of events, Nick and I spent all evening last night making fun of a V8 RX7. Wow, that thing was fast... Bwahahahaha...
DO IT!
There is money to be made street racing your car. How much does that thing weigh again? In a hilarious turn of events, Nick and I spent all evening last night making fun of a V8 RX7. Wow, that thing was fast... Bwahahahaha...
06-28-09, 10:50 AM
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LOL, Rob, I just have two words for you.
DO IT! There is money to be made street racing your car. How much does that thing weigh again?
In a hilarious turn of events, Nick and I spent all evening last night making fun of a V8 RX7. Wow, that thing was fast... Bwahahahaha...
DO IT!
There is money to be made street racing your car. How much does that thing weigh again? In a hilarious turn of events, Nick and I spent all evening last night making fun of a V8 RX7. Wow, that thing was fast... Bwahahahaha...
but seriously dk will beat us all down the strip, while going sideways the whole time
06-28-09, 12:35 PM
#2642
"you sure talk a lot of **** about your knowledge. What have you done? Put up or shut up."
I’ve done a lot more than most people at my age. The only difference is that my pockets aren’t deep.. I have schooling to thank for that. And to answer your question, I built my engine in my own garage.
"Do you really, honestly think you're more intelligent than me? Seriously? Jesus Christ, you can't even line up a coherent counterpoint in 5 paragraphs of argument."
So this is a dick measuring contest to you? Perhaps it wasn’t my goal to as I didn’t try. You misunderstand me..
"The difference between a freak accident and a power induced engine failure is huge. Detonating a piston and breaking it, that's a power related issue. A rocker arm fatiguing randomly is a freak failure. You don't understand a difference there? Really?"
There’s no such thing as a freak failure its all in how the engine was engineered or put together. Example, a con rod experiences fatigue. the question is when it will go out, it’s inherent in all metals to fatigue, when it finally goes be it 10 miles or 500k miles that’s no freak accident it was inevitable, if the rocker arm was cast with a defect that’s no freak accident either. Its all human error in quality control. The power event that finally pushes it to its breaking point was human induced no freak accident there. When the valve spring in my 1970 opel gt broke.. yea it may be a extreme rare occurrence but did I call it a freak accident? It was inevitable. Tell me you understand that all knowing one. If something was perfectly engineered it would still fatigue. My goal is to come as close as humanly possible with the processes and recourses available on an engine that has far less R&D where exploring uncharted territory is no longer an impossibility unlike that bellybutton dead end engine under the hood of your car.
"And the weight distribution argument is so 2002. Get over it. I don't road race the car, I don't care (it's 52/48 in my car, with the iron block, FWIW. Another 110 coming off the front wheels soon). When was the last time you set your car up on proper corner weights? What's your balance? Have any clue?"
I wasn’t arguing the weight distribution point that was 12aalways, I know there’s not much of a difference. I was only stating that specific setup of those twin turbos can’t help it. Regardless of whether you give a **** or not.
"What the hell have I run away from? Are you under some impression that I can't build a rotary? Are you under some impression that it's more difficult to do? I love the theory of people like you that because someone didn't do it, that means they can't. How much power have YOU built in a rotary? Different != harder."
I wasn’t talking about you in specific. I figure if you have a rotary powered wave runner or whatever it was you know what you’re doing in that department at least somewhat, not every rx7 can say the same for themselves. Building a rotary more difficult? Hell no. isnt that kind of suppose to be one of the main advantages of a rotary? simplicity? yea. having rebuilt piston engines myself I can honestly say it’s easily 3 times as easy to build a rotary.
"FWIW, the failure of my engine had 0 to do with power. It dislodged a cam bearing and starved the rear rod bearings for oil. **** happens. "
Reliable.. Really?
"As far as coward, you're the one who sat around steaming at Hall's then waited to talk **** till you were on the internet. Got me there, tough guy."
More like laughing with my friends. You’re right instead of leaving to continue having a good time with my friends as we had planned I should have stayed with you and talked about how much of a dumbass you can be, sounds like a joy. ill pass.
"I don't give a damn if you do or don't want to run the 1/4 mile. If you think a 12.3 is a disgraceful shakedown pass, you've got no clue what the **** you're talking about (I think that was clear from the start). "
A turbo or is it twin turbo v8 running 12.3 when your in the mid 9s ill give you props. That’s about as pathetic as that v8 focus owner that bragged that he runs 17s because his cars too badass to hook up.. and was serious.
"Typical American *** hats? Where are you from, Canada? And an RX7 isn't a drag car? It's a CAR. Do with it what you will."
I wasn’t calling everyone a typical American *** hat. It was specifically meant for you and neverdieeasy. It just didn’t end up worded that way. My bad
I’m not new to this I’ve seen all the threads about this same subject where nobody gets a point across and nobody walks away a changed man its all pointless. But it’s entertaining.
No, I don’t own any fb’s,
I’ve done a lot more than most people at my age. The only difference is that my pockets aren’t deep.. I have schooling to thank for that. And to answer your question, I built my engine in my own garage.
"Do you really, honestly think you're more intelligent than me? Seriously? Jesus Christ, you can't even line up a coherent counterpoint in 5 paragraphs of argument."
So this is a dick measuring contest to you? Perhaps it wasn’t my goal to as I didn’t try. You misunderstand me..
"The difference between a freak accident and a power induced engine failure is huge. Detonating a piston and breaking it, that's a power related issue. A rocker arm fatiguing randomly is a freak failure. You don't understand a difference there? Really?"
There’s no such thing as a freak failure its all in how the engine was engineered or put together. Example, a con rod experiences fatigue. the question is when it will go out, it’s inherent in all metals to fatigue, when it finally goes be it 10 miles or 500k miles that’s no freak accident it was inevitable, if the rocker arm was cast with a defect that’s no freak accident either. Its all human error in quality control. The power event that finally pushes it to its breaking point was human induced no freak accident there. When the valve spring in my 1970 opel gt broke.. yea it may be a extreme rare occurrence but did I call it a freak accident? It was inevitable. Tell me you understand that all knowing one. If something was perfectly engineered it would still fatigue. My goal is to come as close as humanly possible with the processes and recourses available on an engine that has far less R&D where exploring uncharted territory is no longer an impossibility unlike that bellybutton dead end engine under the hood of your car.
"And the weight distribution argument is so 2002. Get over it. I don't road race the car, I don't care (it's 52/48 in my car, with the iron block, FWIW. Another 110 coming off the front wheels soon). When was the last time you set your car up on proper corner weights? What's your balance? Have any clue?"
I wasn’t arguing the weight distribution point that was 12aalways, I know there’s not much of a difference. I was only stating that specific setup of those twin turbos can’t help it. Regardless of whether you give a **** or not.
"What the hell have I run away from? Are you under some impression that I can't build a rotary? Are you under some impression that it's more difficult to do? I love the theory of people like you that because someone didn't do it, that means they can't. How much power have YOU built in a rotary? Different != harder."
I wasn’t talking about you in specific. I figure if you have a rotary powered wave runner or whatever it was you know what you’re doing in that department at least somewhat, not every rx7 can say the same for themselves. Building a rotary more difficult? Hell no. isnt that kind of suppose to be one of the main advantages of a rotary? simplicity? yea. having rebuilt piston engines myself I can honestly say it’s easily 3 times as easy to build a rotary.
"FWIW, the failure of my engine had 0 to do with power. It dislodged a cam bearing and starved the rear rod bearings for oil. **** happens. "
Reliable.. Really?
"As far as coward, you're the one who sat around steaming at Hall's then waited to talk **** till you were on the internet. Got me there, tough guy."
More like laughing with my friends. You’re right instead of leaving to continue having a good time with my friends as we had planned I should have stayed with you and talked about how much of a dumbass you can be, sounds like a joy. ill pass.
"I don't give a damn if you do or don't want to run the 1/4 mile. If you think a 12.3 is a disgraceful shakedown pass, you've got no clue what the **** you're talking about (I think that was clear from the start). "
A turbo or is it twin turbo v8 running 12.3 when your in the mid 9s ill give you props. That’s about as pathetic as that v8 focus owner that bragged that he runs 17s because his cars too badass to hook up.. and was serious.
"Typical American *** hats? Where are you from, Canada? And an RX7 isn't a drag car? It's a CAR. Do with it what you will."
I wasn’t calling everyone a typical American *** hat. It was specifically meant for you and neverdieeasy. It just didn’t end up worded that way. My bad
I’m not new to this I’ve seen all the threads about this same subject where nobody gets a point across and nobody walks away a changed man its all pointless. But it’s entertaining.
No, I don’t own any fb’s,
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06-28-09, 02:10 PM
#2644
Props for building your own engine though. Glad at least 1.5% of your B.S. is based in fact.
There’s no such thing as a freak failure its all in how the engine was engineered or put together. Example, a con rod experiences fatigue. the question is when it will go out, it’s inherent in all metals to fatigue, when it finally goes be it 10 miles or 500k miles that’s no freak accident it was inevitable, if the rocker arm was cast with a defect that’s no freak accident either. Its all human error in quality control. The power event that finally pushes it to its breaking point was human induced no freak accident there. When the valve spring in my 1970 opel gt broke.. yea it may be a extreme rare occurrence but did I call it a freak accident? It was inevitable. Tell me you understand that all knowing one. If something was perfectly engineered it would still fatigue. My goal is to come as close as humanly possible with the processes and recourses available on an engine that has far less R&D where exploring uncharted territory is no longer an impossibility unlike that bellybutton dead end engine under the hood of your car.
As far as not seeing a difference between a normal performance induced failure, and a random, unrelated failure; well, you're not really helping your intelligent quotient there. Keep digging that hole man. Please, use your great intellect to explain to me how a cam bearing failure is caused by horsepower?
And a valve spring failure? ALL valve springs will fail. Too much lift, too aggressive of lobes, etc. I've broken several, that's a NORMAL PERFORMANCE ENGINE FAILURE MODE. Breaking a piston ringland, spinning a rod bearing, breaking a rod bolt, lifting a head gasket, thes are also normal failure modes. Breaking a crank in half at 500 HP, not a normal failure mode. Didn't you say you went to school? Perhaps a logic class or two would serve you well.
I wasn’t talking about you in specific. I figure if you have a rotary powered wave runner or whatever it was you know what you’re doing in that department at least somewhat, not every rx7 can say the same for themselves. Building a rotary more difficult? Hell no. isnt that kind of suppose to be one of the main advantages of a rotary? simplicity? yea. having rebuilt piston engines myself I can honestly say it’s easily 3 times as easy to build a rotary.
Best response you could come up, with really?
I wasn’t calling everyone a typical American *** hat. It was specifically meant for you and neverdieeasy. It just didn’t end up worded that way. My bad
I’m not new to this I’ve seen all the threads about this same subject where nobody gets a point across and nobody walks away a changed man its all pointless. But it’s entertaining.
I’m not new to this I’ve seen all the threads about this same subject where nobody gets a point across and nobody walks away a changed man its all pointless. But it’s entertaining.
06-28-09, 04:10 PM
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I wouldn't say nothing noteworthy. Hell, nothing about your car is noteworthy. What have you done? a oatmeal raisin cookie sounds good right now. Yes, I do.
I don't believe I’ve made an *** of myself and if others disagree I’m cool with that.
yes ofcorse there is no way that your cam bearing failure could have possibly had ANYTHING at all to do with the added boost somewhere down the line.. What was I thinking? I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.. Even if it didn’t you’re right, random **** happens all the time with no cause! something caused it and it wasn’t the engines fault.. it's just machined chunks of metal. Don’t cry to me because you cant justify "freak accidents" in a manner that makes any ****** since. The term alone makes no since you should know this. A bunch of machined parts can not make accidents because they can’t make choices.
"And a valve spring failure? ALL valve springs will fail. Too much lift, too aggressive of lobes, etc. I've broken several, that's a NORMAL PERFORMANCE ENGINE FAILURE MODE"
That's what I ******* said.. Are u even as neverdieeasy would say “hearing” what I’m typing? But It’s not COMMON on a factory engine (unless at very high mileage) with no modifications to experience damaging fatigue on any part UNLESS UNDER ENGINEERED/UNDER BUILT FOR THE APPLICATION. Connecting rods are NO different. Cause and effect. You and never die easy refer to “freak accidents” as something that happens without cause. IMPOSIBLE. Something has to have caused it, It doesn’t matter if it was predicted to happen down to the second or happened without warning. You’re in no place to call me an idiot.
“So that wasn't you, speaking? Did 12Always hack your computer and post that for you then?”
Well our names are both Keith, but yes it was me speaking specifically about YOUR setup (or neverdieeasys donno whichever the fd is but isnt your setup the same?) not every swap in general. And you even agreed your weight distribution is front bias didn’t you.. Then you went on to say you don’t care.. which is fine. What are you trying to say? All this statement means is that those twin turbos don’t help the matter any. There is no false statement there. “Get over it” as you like to say.
“Good, we agree on something. The rotary jetski isn't done yet, just something I'm collecting parts for. May still end up going in a shifter kart, not sure yet. It will be fun either way.”
A shifter cart would be seriously sweet.
“You got me there. I bow to your obvious superiority and excellent display of lack of *****. Thumbs up! ”
So you think you’re pretty intimidating. I knew nothing about you that day I didn’t even know you were on this forum until I saw your display picture and a few of your posts and put 2 and 2 together. To me you were just another ignorant v8 owner who was not worth the time talking to. Although I know now that you know more than that, I had no desire to talk to you at the time.
I don't believe I’ve made an *** of myself and if others disagree I’m cool with that.
yes ofcorse there is no way that your cam bearing failure could have possibly had ANYTHING at all to do with the added boost somewhere down the line.. What was I thinking? I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.. Even if it didn’t you’re right, random **** happens all the time with no cause!
something caused it and it wasn’t the engines fault.. it's just machined chunks of metal. Don’t cry to me because you cant justify "freak accidents" in a manner that makes any ****** since. The term alone makes no since you should know this. A bunch of machined parts can not make accidents because they can’t make choices."And a valve spring failure? ALL valve springs will fail. Too much lift, too aggressive of lobes, etc. I've broken several, that's a NORMAL PERFORMANCE ENGINE FAILURE MODE"
That's what I ******* said.. Are u even as neverdieeasy would say “hearing” what I’m typing? But It’s not COMMON on a factory engine (unless at very high mileage) with no modifications to experience damaging fatigue on any part UNLESS UNDER ENGINEERED/UNDER BUILT FOR THE APPLICATION. Connecting rods are NO different. Cause and effect. You and never die easy refer to “freak accidents” as something that happens without cause. IMPOSIBLE. Something has to have caused it, It doesn’t matter if it was predicted to happen down to the second or happened without warning. You’re in no place to call me an idiot.
“So that wasn't you, speaking? Did 12Always hack your computer and post that for you then?”
Well our names are both Keith, but yes it was me speaking specifically about YOUR setup (or neverdieeasys donno whichever the fd is but isnt your setup the same?) not every swap in general. And you even agreed your weight distribution is front bias didn’t you.. Then you went on to say you don’t care.. which is fine. What are you trying to say? All this statement means is that those twin turbos don’t help the matter any. There is no false statement there. “Get over it” as you like to say.
“Good, we agree on something. The rotary jetski isn't done yet, just something I'm collecting parts for. May still end up going in a shifter kart, not sure yet. It will be fun either way.”
A shifter cart would be seriously sweet.
“You got me there. I bow to your obvious superiority and excellent display of lack of *****. Thumbs up! ”
So you think you’re pretty intimidating. I knew nothing about you that day I didn’t even know you were on this forum until I saw your display picture and a few of your posts and put 2 and 2 together. To me you were just another ignorant v8 owner who was not worth the time talking to. Although I know now that you know more than that, I had no desire to talk to you at the time.
