Haltech Wideband Controller ??s
08-19-05, 11:12 AM
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Wideband Controller ??s
If I am understanding correctly, then this:
http://www.haltech.com/wideband_lambda.htm will enable us to do the same thing as the Techedge, etc and provide a 0-5v signal for the E11 to understand.
Am I also to assume that we will now be able to make full data logs of, say, a 3rd gear pull up the highway so we can go back and see where to pull fuel as needed WITHOUT a co-pilot to watch everything? Yay!
I'm pretty sure that the sensor won't come with that, but even so, the price is pretty good.
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http://www.haltech.com/wideband_lambda.htm will enable us to do the same thing as the Techedge, etc and provide a 0-5v signal for the E11 to understand.
Am I also to assume that we will now be able to make full data logs of, say, a 3rd gear pull up the highway so we can go back and see where to pull fuel as needed WITHOUT a co-pilot to watch everything? Yay!
I'm pretty sure that the sensor won't come with that, but even so, the price is pretty good.
Reese
08-19-05, 11:47 AM
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Looks like it. However the ability to log or view the Lambda display through the Haltech is not new. If you currently have a controller that has a seperate 0-5V output you can connect that to your Haltech and view and log A/F ratios. There was a thread discussing this a few months ago if you want to search.
08-19-05, 12:22 PM
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Thanks Ludwig! I do remember the thread, I think. Last I saw, though, it wasn't determined for sure if it would log the wideband signal; just the narrow band. I'll go look at it again.
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08-20-05, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CCarlisi
I believe the haltach controller is for a 4 wire, rather than 5 wire sensor. Can anybody confirm this?
Although we are still waiting for pricing and spec sheets to be available from Haltech, but they're almost here.
08-22-05, 04:48 AM
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response from haltech about the wideband sensor:
"The wideband has been released (just),the cost ,stand alone is approx
$AUD395.00,or with the gauge,approx$AUD600.00.
The sensor is a Bosch 066 five wire.
It will do closed loop wide band 02,log AFR.
It will interface through the spare Ad
The E11 and E8 will soon do self tune"
the bosch 6 066 sensor is the LSU4 sensor, which is faster responding than the other 5 wire LSU 4.2 sensors.
self tune!!!! im getting me an E8!!! wicked!
"The wideband has been released (just),the cost ,stand alone is approx
$AUD395.00,or with the gauge,approx$AUD600.00.
The sensor is a Bosch 066 five wire.
It will do closed loop wide band 02,log AFR.
It will interface through the spare Ad
The E11 and E8 will soon do self tune"
the bosch 6 066 sensor is the LSU4 sensor, which is faster responding than the other 5 wire LSU 4.2 sensors.
self tune!!!! im getting me an E8!!! wicked!
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08-22-05, 09:04 PM
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That's great news.
I wonder if it can be calibrated to work with the 7057 LSU sensor instead of the 6066. I have been using it with my TE 2b0 and am very happy with it. I have it mounted about 8" behind the turbo and have never gotten an overheat code. The reading from it are consistent with a Motec wideband and a dynojet wideband I compared it with. Not bad for a $32 sensor.
Tech Edge has a lot of good about wideband sensors on their website including a picture comparing the heads of each sensor.
"The three sensors 6066, 7057 & 7200 are Bosch LSU wideband pump cell sensors. They are described in more detail in the special LSU section and they are all sold by Tech Edge. WBo2 was specifically designed around the LSU sensor and all relevant Bosch operating conditions (including the exacting "light off" warmup characteristics) are rigorously observed. The 6066 sensor is normally called an LSU 4.0, and the 7057 & 7200 are LSU 4.2 variants. There are other variants including the LSU 4.9 which seems to work well in lean burn applications (A future WBo2 will support the LSU 4.9).
One major difference between these sensors is the "head" design that is fairly open in the 6066 but is more restricted in the 7057 & 7200 sensors. An open head results in faster Lambda sensing, but also make the internal pump cell more sensitive to exhaust gas temperature variations, with the possibility of over-heating or under-cooling if the sensor is located closer of further from the optimal position. In general, we recommend the lower cost 7057 & 7200 over the 6066. "
http://wbo2.com/lsu/sensors.htm
I wonder if it can be calibrated to work with the 7057 LSU sensor instead of the 6066. I have been using it with my TE 2b0 and am very happy with it. I have it mounted about 8" behind the turbo and have never gotten an overheat code. The reading from it are consistent with a Motec wideband and a dynojet wideband I compared it with. Not bad for a $32 sensor.
Tech Edge has a lot of good about wideband sensors on their website including a picture comparing the heads of each sensor.
"The three sensors 6066, 7057 & 7200 are Bosch LSU wideband pump cell sensors. They are described in more detail in the special LSU section and they are all sold by Tech Edge. WBo2 was specifically designed around the LSU sensor and all relevant Bosch operating conditions (including the exacting "light off" warmup characteristics) are rigorously observed. The 6066 sensor is normally called an LSU 4.0, and the 7057 & 7200 are LSU 4.2 variants. There are other variants including the LSU 4.9 which seems to work well in lean burn applications (A future WBo2 will support the LSU 4.9).
One major difference between these sensors is the "head" design that is fairly open in the 6066 but is more restricted in the 7057 & 7200 sensors. An open head results in faster Lambda sensing, but also make the internal pump cell more sensitive to exhaust gas temperature variations, with the possibility of over-heating or under-cooling if the sensor is located closer of further from the optimal position. In general, we recommend the lower cost 7057 & 7200 over the 6066. "
http://wbo2.com/lsu/sensors.htm
08-25-05, 12:27 AM
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Look kinda similar don't they....
The innovate LC-1 has the same programmable outputs as the LM-1.. with output #1 set to emulate an narrowband 02 from the factory (works freakin great with the haltech closed loop BTW.... while you are out tuning.. you can still get decent gas mileage in between blasts!!!!!!!!!!)
Everything that haltech describes is EXACTLY the same as the LC-1
Dollars to donuts haltech has bought the right to market the Innovate LC-1 as a re-badged Haltech product for use with their systems and development of an "autotune" feature. OR, they simly bought an LC-1, tore it apart and reversen engineered it.
The only problem with auto tune from Autronic that I saw from Z-keller car is that the parameters have to stay in the same "box" for a bit longer than is practical for "HIGHWAY" tuning.. No Problem on a dyno.. but the e-brake gets a little hot after a while.. ya know??
and with the Autronic autotune.. you had to use the Autronic wideband.. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
If Haltech can make their own autotune with the innovate (MUNCH CHEAPER) controller.. it would be a sweet deal.
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09-07-05, 09:19 PM
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The HWC is the same as the Innovate LC-1. Basicaly Haltech worked out a deal with them and just repackaged it.
Even the instruction manuals are almost 100% the same with the the only major difference being that the HWC came with specific wiring for the various Haltech ecu's.
Even the instruction manuals are almost 100% the same with the the only major difference being that the HWC came with specific wiring for the various Haltech ecu's.
09-08-05, 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by crispeed
The HWC is the same as the Innovate LC-1. Basicaly Haltech worked out a deal with them and just repackaged it.
Even the instruction manuals are almost 100% the same with the the only major difference being that the HWC came with specific wiring for the various Haltech ecu's.
Even the instruction manuals are almost 100% the same with the the only major difference being that the HWC came with specific wiring for the various Haltech ecu's.
sonuds interesting.
09-10-05, 01:50 AM
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Just got of the dyno datalogging the HWC to an E-11 on a 2-rotor application. I had to re-calibrate the settings Haltech reccomended to use with the HWC because it was reading about .3 to .5 on the rich side on this particular application. That's one of the advantages when using the E-8/11 series of Haltech ecu's. So far it performed 100% as claimed. Only thing left to do would be to hook up the narrow band output to the ecu to perform closed loop operation.
09-10-05, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by crispeed
Just got of the dyno datalogging the HWC to an E-11 on a 2-rotor application. I had to re-calibrate the settings Haltech reccomended to use with the HWC because it was reading about .3 to .5 on the rich side on this particular application. That's one of the advantages when using the E-8/11 series of Haltech ecu's. So far it performed 100% as claimed. Only thing left to do would be to hook up the narrow band output to the ecu to perform closed loop operation.
09-11-05, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by crispeed
Just got of the dyno datalogging the HWC to an E-11 on a 2-rotor application. I had to re-calibrate the settings Haltech reccomended to use with the HWC because it was reading about .3 to .5 on the rich side on this particular application. That's one of the advantages when using the E-8/11 series of Haltech ecu's. So far it performed 100% as claimed. Only thing left to do would be to hook up the narrow band output to the ecu to perform closed loop operation.
09-14-05, 03:52 PM
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From what I've been told, it is designed to work with the 8 and 11 although there are people who have supposedly managed to get it to play nice with the 6X. I'm still looking into it to try to find out more for you.
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09-15-05, 10:28 PM
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ok, the HWC showed up today. According to the manual, it will work with the E11, E8, E6X, F10X and the E6GMX.
I'm a little confused about my harness, though. The manual says that there should be 6 parsed wires and I have 7. I'm sure I'll be able to find out what the difference is, but it's a bit odd.
Reese
I'm a little confused about my harness, though. The manual says that there should be 6 parsed wires and I have 7. I'm sure I'll be able to find out what the difference is, but it's a bit odd.
Reese
09-15-05, 11:50 PM
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So it will log actual afr's instead of voltage readings in the haltech display with an E6X?
You are running an E11, correct?
They mentioned it will be capable of doing self-tune in the near future. That would be for the E11 and E8 only I assume.
I'm waiting to hear more before I order one.
You are running an E11, correct?
They mentioned it will be capable of doing self-tune in the near future. That would be for the E11 and E8 only I assume.
I'm waiting to hear more before I order one.
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09-17-05, 10:34 PM
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ok, the HWC showed up today. According to the manual, it will work with the E11, E8, E6X, F10X and the E6GMX.
I'm a little confused about my harness, though. The manual says that there should be 6 parsed wires and I have 7. I'm sure I'll be able to find out what the difference is, but it's a bit odd.
Reese
I'm a little confused about my harness, though. The manual says that there should be 6 parsed wires and I have 7. I'm sure I'll be able to find out what the difference is, but it's a bit odd.
Reese