so I have a 13bt fc with an e8 550/1600. my problem is that i cant seem to get the timing to where it will even start. i have triple checked the wiring and opened the cas to verify those wires are correct. i have used 3, 11, and i think even 5 for the tooth offset with no results. when i play with the trigger and home gain controls it does seem a bit closer to starting, but still no go. i do have good spark to the timing light.
any help is greatly appreciated.

 

it may be worth noting other than turning the e-shaft to tdc the timing has not been physically adjusted. that is to say i have not touched the cas because the motor was rebuilt 6000 miles ago and i am simply swaping the stock computer for the haltech.

 

Go to the trigger diagnostic data page under the data pages menu while cranking and verify that the trigger counter goes into the mid 200's (it will count fast approximate is ok). The trigger counter at last home should be 12 steady.

If not check gain and filter settings. Gain 2 filter 2 will usually start a car (though it might not be ideal for your particular setup.

Still not seeing trigger events in the data page, rewire the CAS, if you wired it like an E6k then its wrong.

Next make sure your car is firing sparks, if you have too you can lock the timing (disable the injectors) and set the timing wile cranking the car with plugs removed on a full battery.

With the E8/FC CAS stabbed with the Mazda method I had the trigger offset of around 90-100 with a tooth offset of 9.

If your expecting to use the figures that have been published as correct for an E6k/E6x they won't work for an E8.

 

Is the trigger offset a value I put in the haltech? If so where do I find it? Also are you refering to the trigger gain/filter, the home gain/filter, or both? Thanks.

 

Yes, its found in the ignition setup data page,

I am referring to both trigger and home gain and filter.

 

Do you have a timing gun?
If not, you're wasting your time.


-Ted

 

Come om man!! You're waisting your time and mine posting that!

 

You're wasting our time, period.


-Ted

 

whoa whoa whoa, why are you gettin' your panties all in a bunch? you're the one that made the remark. What just because Im new to the site I'm a dumb-***? There is simply no need for such petulance. This is supposed to be a helpful and hospitable community. There is no need for arrogance and condescension. If you don't like gettin' it back don't put it out there. In your words "grow some skin"!

 

Hey, you said it...not me.

Panties in a bunch?
You think I'm any bit ruffled by what you're typing?
DUDE...you're giving yourself too much credit.
I really don't give a **** whether you're lost or not.
Since you don't kindly to suggestions, you're wasting my time...even though I gave you the answer straight to your face.

Grow some skin?
DUDE...you don't know how stupid you look right now...

How's this for a hint...
READ THE #%$)^#%)^ MANUAL.


-Ted

 

Perhaps I may be... in fact I am pretty ignorant to some of the settings in the haltech, but that doesn't mean I don't know how to work on a car otherwise. To me it's only common sense to have a timing light, after all it is on the list of necessary tools in the manual. Hence my taking your comments as I did; however after reading some of the posts I can appreciate your asking, and to be honest I did misread your second post.

 

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If not check gain and filter settings. Gain 2 filter 2 will usually start a car (though it might not be ideal for your particular setup.

With the E8/FC CAS stabbed with the Mazda method I had the trigger offset of around 90-100 with a tooth offset of 9.
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Hey slo, thanks for the help I have gotten it to start, but I used 1 for the filters/gains 2 didn't quite do it. It idles up right off to over 3500, but I think I just need to reduce the duty cycle of the primaries.? I'll play with it in the mean time. Lots of white smoke too, but I think thats just oil buildup from trying to start it so much. Not to belabor the point, but the only offset I see on my ignition setup page is "tooth offset" and it only goes up to 24. I don't see a "trigger offset" or any setting I can even construe as such. Not for nothing, but is it possible the setting is some where else or under another name? Thanks for the input so far.

 

Sorry, its called trigger angle not trigger offset.

 

[QUOTE=fastfc21;7729429][QUOTE=slo;7710672]
If not check gain and filter settings. Gain 2 filter 2 will usually start a car (though it might not be ideal for your particular setup.

With the E8/FC CAS stabbed with the Mazda method I had the trigger offset of around 90-100 with a tooth offset of 9.
Ok, here's the lowdown on the setup, this is tried and true so no need to go around in circles trying to reinvent the wheel.

For an E8 installed in an FC using all stock ignition components (CAS, coil/igniter), settings are as follows:

Trigger Angle: 65 +/- 3
Tooth Offset: 10 or 11 (start with 10)
Split Value: 15
Lock Timing: -5
Internal Reluctor (tirgger and home)
Falling Edge (trigger and home)
Gain and Filter (trigger and home) to 1 and 1
Spark Mode: Distributor
Constant Charge (for leading and trailing)
Falling Edge (for leading and trailing)
Charge Time (4-4.5mS)
Spark Brake Time (default) 600 is fine

This has been covered to death, so please just input these values onto your map, and you'll be fine. If these values arent working for you, you've incerted the CAS incorrectly or your wiring is not correct.

 

Hey Claudio, thanks a lot!!! This answers any questions I might have on the subject. You're my hero!!!