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Old 01-10-08 | 02:45 PM
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Haltech to release beta autotune in the next few days???

Below message from the haltech forum:

http://forums.haltech.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1729


"Hello everyone on this forum, id like to clear a few things up so no one is in the dark with whats been going on at Haltech.

Firstly the autotune/quicktune feature is something we have poured alot of hours and resources into and had many versions running and tested by many of our valued dealers. The reason as yet no public release has been made is because we have been trying to release a version of software that every one of our beta testers are happy with. As you may expect this is no easy task as each person has a different background with different expectations of what the software should do and its levels of functionality. Add to that the possibility of your product being bad mouthed for having a poor tune after using an autotune software, its really not a simple process of write some software and send it out.
There are alot more considerations that a company needs to take on board before releasing a feature like quicktune than most customers understand.

Having said all this and taking into consideration the interest this topic has created on the forum we have decided to get YOUR feedback on what the quicktune software is like. So this is what we are doing, we are going to compile the software and support docs over the next day or two and post them in a thead on this forum. We will also make the applicable software and firmware available for download via this forum so that you our customers can try out the new software and give us some feedback on both the documentation and the software. So stay tuned for that.

The other issue that has been raised in this thread is the issue of support on this forum from Haltech staff. As a number of you are aware Scott was our man in charge of keeping an eye on the forum. If you have called the office recently you would know Scott has not been in the office for a while, the reason for this is Scott has unfortunatelly been quite unwell. Our thoughts and prayers are with Scott as he goes through this tough time and we are hoping he will be back with us in the office soon. Until Scott is back with us we will all be trying to keep an eye on the forum, alternatively our phone lines are always open for you to call either our Australian or our US office.

We would also like to encourage everyone on this forum to share their collective experiences and advice as this is why the forum was setup.

Kind Regards,

Matt Wright
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Old 01-10-08 | 05:28 PM
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Great news.
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Good news. I'll believe it when I see it tho.
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Hello Everyone, as has been discussed on this forum previously contained in this thread is a BETA version of Halwin 1.82. Haltech stresses that this software is only a BETA version and not (at this point in time) a full software release.
Please use this software with the mindset that it is a beta software and may have small bugs, Haltech has eliminated as many of these bugs as we are aware of however im sure with feedback from our customers we will be able to reduce the number of software bugs greatly.

There are a number of new features in the 1.82 software and you are encouraged to read and leave comment on the supporting documentation that can also be downloaded from the link below.

Please be aware that this software requires a firmware update, the firmware update procedure is similar to all previous firmware update procedures and is as follows:

Download the Halwin 1.81 software file and the suitable firmware file for your ECU from the link below.

Step 1 - Go online with existing (1.71 or earlier) halwin software and save your current map to your desktop - dont forget this step - if you do you will likely lose all maps currently stored in your ECU.
Step 2 - Go to the options menu and select firmware update
Step 3 - Select the firmware .bin file by pressing the ... button and update the firmware - do not disconnect the ECU or laptop during this procedure, it should take between 20 secs and 3 mins depending on the speed of your computer.
Step 4 - Once firmware update is complete shutdown your existing version of Halwin and go online with the new Halwin 1.82BETA software
Step 5 - Go to File - Load File - and load the map called "default.map" if you have an E11v2 or "default_E8.map if you have an E8, once the default map has completed loading into the ECU, Reset the ECU by turning the key off and back on again.
Step 6 - Once you have loaded the default map from Halwin 1.82 go to File - Load File - and select the map file you saved in step 1
Step 7 - Reset the ECU by turning the key off and back on again and the firmware update is complete you are ready to start using the Halwin 1.82BETA software.

Files to Download:

The following file download outlines the major changes to the Halwin 1.82 software with Build 33 firmware.

http://www.haltech.com.au/resources/hal_182/changes.pdf

The following file download contains the setup guide for the new antilag coding in the Halwin 1.82 software with Build 33 firmware.

http://www.haltech.com.au/resources/hal ... _Setup.pdf

The following file download contains the setup guide for the new BAC valve (idle control) algorithms in the Halwin 1.82 software with Build 33 firmware.

http://www.haltech.com.au/resources/hal ... ontrol.pdf

The following file download contains the setup guide for the new stepper motor (idle control) in Halwin 1.82 software with Build 33 firmware.

http://www.haltech.com.au/resources/hal ... ontrol.pdf

The following file download contains the setup guide for the new closed loop boost control settings in Halwin 1.82 software with Build 33 firmware.

http://www.haltech.com.au/resources/hal ... ontrol.pdf

The following file download contains the setup guide for the new closed loop O2 control in Halwin 1.82 software with Build 33 firmware.

http://www.haltech.com.au/resources/hal ... ontrol.pdf

The following file download contains the setup guide for the new throttle pump settings in Halwin 1.82 software with Build 33 firmware.

http://www.haltech.com.au/resources/hal ... _Setup.pdf

The following file download contains the setup guide for the new variable camshaft timing control setup in Halwin 1.82 software with Build 33 firmware.

http://www.haltech.com.au/resources/hal ... ontrol.pdf

The following file download contains firmware build 33, suitable for use with halwin 1.82 software and all E11v2 ECUs, note this file has been compressed to a .zip file, you will need to uncompress this file before use. Once the file has been uncompressed it should have a .bin extension.

http://www.haltech.com.au/resources/hal ... 33Beta.zip

The following file download contains firmware build 33, suitable for use with halwin 1.82 software and all E8 ECUs, note this file has been compressed to a .zip file, you will need to uncompress this file before use. Once the file has been uncompressed it should have a .bin extension.

http://www.haltech.com.au/resources/hal ... 33Beta.zip

The following file download contains the installer for the new Halwin 1.82 BETA software for use with E8 and E11v2. This file is a large file and may take some time to download depending on your internet connection speed. This file has been compressed to a .zip file, you will need to uncompress this file before use. Once the file has been uncompressed run the file called "setup.exe" this will launch the install shield program and install the Halwin 1.82BETA software onto your desktop.

http://www.haltech.com.au/resources/hal ... n_182B.zip

There you have it, all the files have been included - i would suggest you read each document carefully before using this software and firmware combination, and please leave your feedback and experience of the software. We would love to know your thoughts.

Kind Regards,

Matt Wright
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Old 01-14-08 | 05:08 AM
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Good news. I'll believe it when I see it tho.
Well it's out now for public beta testing and I've been testing it for about a month allready so you don't have to hold your breath anymore!
Old 01-14-08 | 12:40 PM
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Well it's out now for public beta testing and I've been testing it for about a month allready so you don't have to hold your breath anymore!
What do you think of it so far Chris.
Old 01-14-08 | 02:42 PM
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Can the links be cleaned up I tried figuring them out but was unsuccessful.
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here is the link to the directory with all documents

http://www.haltech.com.au/resources/hal_182/
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Is this all they say about the auto tune or am i missing something as usual?

· Quick-tune feature. Press the ‘q’ button to calculate a new injection time at the
current point the engine is at on the fuel map based on the current AFR and the
desired AFR (From the ‘Target AFR Map’). Pressing the ‘w’ button will do the
current point the engine is at on the fuel map plus the 3 extra points around it in
the above RPM and load range. Requires a wideband O2 sensor connected.
Old 01-14-08 | 08:19 PM
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That seems quite limited, but self explanitory
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Doesn't really seem to "auto". IIRC the last beta version would log differences in actual and desired AFR and you could review them deciding weather or not to accept them.




Edit...THIS IS FROM THE LAST BETA VERSION



Update on Autotune Feature
Making Haltech ECU's eaven easier to tune!

We are excited about the upcoming release of our Autotune feature for the E8 & E11v2 ECU’s. The Autotune feature allows the tuner to correct the engines Air Fuel Ratio mixtures, quickly and easily. Once a desired AFR Map has been set, the user can then use one of the 3 modes to quickly and easily tune their engine.



The Autotune feature can be used in 3 simple modes, these include:



Quick mode: At any load/RPM point, when the “Q” key is pushed, the ECU will sample the Actual AFR then instantly make an adjustment to meet the Target AFR.



Trace Mode: Particularly useful when dyno tuning, the user can capture a particular dyno power run and graphically analyse the Actual AFR, Desired AFR and Manifold pressure during the run. The user can then select portions of the run and automatically adjust the actual AFR to the Target AFR



2D Logging Mode: When using the 2D Fuel Delivery Map, Wideband logging can be activated. The ECU will begin logging the engines AFR’s and compare these to the target AFR map. Whenever a different actual AFR is found, the ECU will save an AFR correction value, shown as a marker on the tuning bars. This value will be updated whenever possible, and applied to the tuning maps when the user permits. The larger the sample collected, the more accurate the corrected AFR will be towards its target.



Further developments will be made to the Autotune feature, allowing long term fuel corrections to take place, allowing the Haltech ECU to continually correct the tune, in the same fashion as all late model factory engine management systems. This is just one of the many innovative new features being developed by Haltech Engine Management Systems.
Old 01-14-08 | 09:49 PM
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Here you go, properly linked.

Files to Download:

The following file download outlines the major changes to the Halwin 1.82 software with Build 33 firmware.

http://www.haltech.com.au/resources/hal_182/changes.pdf

The following file download contains the setup guide for the new antilag coding in the Halwin 1.82 software with Build 33 firmware.

http://www.haltech.com.au/resources/..._Lag_Setup.pdf

The following file download contains the setup guide for the new BAC valve (idle control) algorithms in the Halwin 1.82 software with Build 33 firmware.

http://www.haltech.com.au/resources/...le_Control.pdf

The following file download contains the setup guide for the new stepper motor (idle control) in Halwin 1.82 software with Build 33 firmware.

http://www.haltech.com.au/resources/...le_Control.pdf

The following file download contains the setup guide for the new closed loop boost control settings in Halwin 1.82 software with Build 33 firmware.

http://www.haltech.com.au/resources/...st_Control.pdf

The following file download contains the setup guide for the new closed loop O2 control in Halwin 1.82 software with Build 33 firmware.

http://www.haltech.com.au/resources/...O2_Control.pdf

The following file download contains the setup guide for the new throttle pump settings in Halwin 1.82 software with Build 33 firmware.

http://www.haltech.com.au/resources/...Pump_Setup.pdf

The following file download contains the setup guide for the new variable camshaft timing control setup in Halwin 1.82 software with Build 33 firmware.

http://www.haltech.com.au/resources/...ng_Control.pdf

The following file download contains firmware build 33, suitable for use with halwin 1.82 software and all E11v2 ECUs, note this file has been compressed to a .zip file, you will need to uncompress this file before use. Once the file has been uncompressed it should have a .bin extension.

http://www.haltech.com.au/resources/...2B_B33Beta.zip

The following file download contains firmware build 33, suitable for use with halwin 1.82 software and all E8 ECUs, note this file has been compressed to a .zip file, you will need to uncompress this file before use. Once the file has been uncompressed it should have a .bin extension.

http://www.haltech.com.au/resources/...2B_B33Beta.zip

The following file download contains the installer for the new Halwin 1.82 BETA software for use with E8 and E11v2. This file is a large file and may take some time to download depending on your internet connection speed. This file has been compressed to a .zip file, you will need to uncompress this file before use. Once the file has been uncompressed run the file called "setup.exe" this will launch the install shield program and install the Halwin 1.82BETA software onto your desktop.

http://www.haltech.com.au/resources/...alwin_182B.zip
Old 01-14-08 | 11:13 PM
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I used the beta with this functionality, the only part of the auto tune that worked even remotely well (or should I say even remotely) was the quick tune.




Originally Posted by 13B-RX3
Doesn't really seem to "auto". IIRC the last beta version would log differences in actual and desired AFR and you could review them deciding weather or not to accept them.




Edit...THIS IS FROM THE LAST BETA VERSION



Update on Autotune Feature
Making Haltech ECU's eaven easier to tune!

We are excited about the upcoming release of our Autotune feature for the E8 & E11v2 ECU’s. The Autotune feature allows the tuner to correct the engines Air Fuel Ratio mixtures, quickly and easily. Once a desired AFR Map has been set, the user can then use one of the 3 modes to quickly and easily tune their engine.



The Autotune feature can be used in 3 simple modes, these include:



Quick mode: At any load/RPM point, when the “Q” key is pushed, the ECU will sample the Actual AFR then instantly make an adjustment to meet the Target AFR.



Trace Mode: Particularly useful when dyno tuning, the user can capture a particular dyno power run and graphically analyse the Actual AFR, Desired AFR and Manifold pressure during the run. The user can then select portions of the run and automatically adjust the actual AFR to the Target AFR



2D Logging Mode: When using the 2D Fuel Delivery Map, Wideband logging can be activated. The ECU will begin logging the engines AFR’s and compare these to the target AFR map. Whenever a different actual AFR is found, the ECU will save an AFR correction value, shown as a marker on the tuning bars. This value will be updated whenever possible, and applied to the tuning maps when the user permits. The larger the sample collected, the more accurate the corrected AFR will be towards its target.



Further developments will be made to the Autotune feature, allowing long term fuel corrections to take place, allowing the Haltech ECU to continually correct the tune, in the same fashion as all late model factory engine management systems. This is just one of the many innovative new features being developed by Haltech Engine Management Systems.
Old 01-14-08 | 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by slo
I used the beta with this functionality, the only part of the auto tune that worked even remotely well (or should I say even remotely) was the quick tune.

Which beta? The current one ore the last one. Sorry for the questions i just wanted to clarify.
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The old one.

Originally Posted by 13B-RX3
Which beta? The current one ore the last one. Sorry for the questions i just wanted to clarify.
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Which beta? The current one ore the last one. Sorry for the questions i just wanted to clarify.
There were 2 beta releases for this new firmware, 1.81 and now 1.82, the one that has been released to the public is 1.82.

1.81 was only for beta testers and a few specific dealers.

If you have access to 1.81 please discontinue using it and switch to 1.82.
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I'm talking about an older BETA.


Originally Posted by Claudio RX-7
There were 2 beta releases for this new firmware, 1.81 and now 1.82, the one that has been released to the public is 1.82.

1.81 was only for beta testers and a few specific dealers.

If you have access to 1.81 please discontinue using it and switch to 1.82.
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using the "q" for quicklambda, err i mean quicktune sounds familiar...
Old 01-17-08 | 01:24 PM
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hopefully they copy Motec well, it sure is a nice feature for basemap generating.
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Originally Posted by 2a+RoN
using the "q" for quicklambda, err i mean quicktune sounds familiar...
You think that's the only familar thing!
Old 01-17-08 | 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Claudio RX-7
There were 2 beta releases for this new firmware, 1.81 and now 1.82, the one that has been released to the public is 1.82.

1.81 was only for beta testers and a few specific dealers.

If you have access to 1.81 please discontinue using it and switch to 1.82.
Too bad we both lost our list of bugs on the 1.81 version!
At least they have corrected some from what I'm seeing so far. A couple are still showing up.
I'm going to list them on the Haltech page this time so I don't forget or loose them again.
Claudio never keeps anything I relay to him on record so he can't be prosecuted later for withholding information!
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Originally Posted by crispeed
Claudio never keeps anything I relay to him on record so he can't be prosecuted later for withholding information!

Tough crowd. Claudio, you jumped straight out of the frying pan and into the fire when you went to work for the man didn't ya!
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I have not looked at this new version yet and will hopefully have time to do so tonight.

Some things I remember about the older version 1.71.

-Datalogging via laptop logged in Lamba (No option to change)
-Onboad datalogging logged in A/F ratio
-Never could tell quickly which file I was running. Would be nice to include a header title.
-I did have lots of failed onboard datalogs.
-would be nice to have a feature that double clicking the datalog graph would put you straight into the 2d or text map to make correction. (Guess auto tune will cover that)
-No way to ignore 0% throttle when it actually varied .3% Fuel cut would not disengage. (Throttle dead band does not work this way?)
-Would be nice to tag the analog inputs with a text to indicate what function you are using it for. (No big deal really)

I can't remember any more since its been a few months of car storage for me.

Overall excited to see the new version and am happy with the product.

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Tough crowd. Claudio, you jumped straight out of the frying pan and into the fire when you went to work for the man didn't ya!
What the heck!? Where's the love man!
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Tough crowd. Claudio, you jumped straight out of the frying pan and into the fire when you went to work for the man didn't ya!
Be nice!

My list is growing Claudio.



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