i am interested in this as well, depending on price

hey any update here ?

I'm hoping this is ready by spring?

The engineer says that he cannot make the size of the dimples (along the seamline on the back side) and the alignment of them match the rest of the handle in solidworks?!? here is a little quote from him:

"....I have gone back to your part to try and improve it and the software mathematically will not allow the dimples to be any closer than they already are..... .....The new dimples will never match the present dimples geometrically or visually. The pattern that is already present is not constant across the gap to allow a match, nor are the dimples geometric shapes to be copied. They are a patch network of free form shapes. The visual that comes from the program is an idealized shape. Once molded, the differences you see between the added pattern and the present pattern will be closely to identical. The only visual cue that they are different will be the spacing. However, as we have gone over, the program will not allow the dimples to be any closer and the patter is not constant across the gap..... ......This is not a project by any means that can be completed in a couple hours or days in CAD. At this point, the only functioning results and the best looking ones you have already received. Continuing to tinker with the model will not produce any better results, I have the last few months to attest to this."

I have already contacted another enineer that says that this information is bogus and I have already pre-paid for the work to be done.

Is there anybody here who is an expert in SolidWorks and CAD and point clouds and mesh type file formats?
or if you know somebody who is?
please contact me to let me know what options I have.
Jeremy
925-766-8737
LarsonsRotary@gmail.com

atached is 2 pictures of his last work, the one with the smaller dimples was first and the one with the larger dimples is his most recent, why can he not get the alignment closer and make the dimples close to the same size as the rest?

I would say wait for about a week, maby 2 weeks tops to try and find somebody who can get the dimples exactly like OEM, but if you cant, I wouldnt wait too long I really dont think any of us will ever pay attention to that much detail and to tell you the truth both of them look amazing, I really cant even tell the difference.

I think all of us are just impatiently waiting for these to actually become a reality, and from what your saying, it looks like its already done, and your just trying to perfect them for the final machining process. Thats my opinion, good work though

I don't even care if it is the same shape. Just so long as it looks ok and doesn't break like the stock one. The attention to detail is great but more important is price, quality and actually delivering a finished product.

Alright so I put forth a motion that we do this. All in favor of moving ahead, and disregarding the dimple issue, state your position for or against by stating Yea=for, or Neh=against. Let's get this done!

Yea= I will buy as it is now sans dimples
Neh = I will wait until we find an engineer to get the dimples correct on the back side.

Disclaimer : this does not effect options, simply address current or potential future designs.

1. Yea, Fortune Seven

I agree. I would be up for one without the dimples.

For

1. Yea, Fortune Seven
2. Yea, Rino

Against

1.

Wait, isnt this on the BACK of the handle? If so who cares... I know you want perfection but this is really and truly splitting hairs.

Also it makes perfect sense why he can't add more dimples and make it line up. The shape is non-flat It's got all kinds of humps, curves, dips, etc. Realizing that the perforated laminate was initially flat before it was applied to the non flat handle, it makes complete sense why the dimples can't be lined up.

OK, I understand the rush and the Yea Nea list is not needed.

I paid for this to be done and it is not being done because he said that it is not possible, that is the current topic, Remember that this is still just the INTEREST list so you cannot rush this, It is formed to help me establish how many handles of each option to send out for quotations for my first production run.

Remember if I would have never posted anything on here about this to let you guys state your opinions and options that I would have just done things my way and when they are ready just posted them up for sale.

IF this is possible to have the dimples line up (not even perfectly but just much closer) then that is what I have paid for and that is what I should expect. I am trying to see if I should demand my money back and pay the company that had the next higher price to do the same thing? or should I pay somebody a fee for doing just what this engineer cannot do and demand that amount of money back from the first guy?

I know you all are eager to get these but PLEASE do not rush me. The hold up on anything is not me. I will not be cheated, My products will only be sold with my name on them if they meet MY standards. I hope you can respect that.

I will not have a Yea Nea list because all the people who have the leather wrap or carbon fiber option will not have any dimples anyways so that is not fair and all the other people who would vote YEA would force a poorer quality product onto the people with dimples who vote NEA and that would not be fair to what they get for their money. Some people on here are patient and some are in a rush/need a handle sooner than later. NOT EVERYBODY will be happy.
For those of you who are in a rush you can ONLY help this situation by following my instructions and have a CAD/CAM solidworks / 3d scanning expert call me for a few minutes. I need to know if I have any leverage in this situation or not with this current engineer and what I can demand and What I must live with.

Updated INTEREST list:

1. aoc007: Carbon Fiber - NA - NA - Definitely order
2. rx7playa: Polished - NA - W/Clear - Definitely order
3. Supernaut: Plain - NA - NA - Order D.O.P. (at 250 maybe, 200 definitely) Maybe Paint handle for me
4. Highwind: Plasti-Dip - ***** - NA - order D.O.P. (missing color information black is default)
5. Silver_FD: Powder coated - Black - High gloss - order D.O.P
6. jjshaloam: Plasti-Dip - ***** - NA - Pending price (missing color information black is default)
7. carlb: Plasti-dip - Black - NA - Definitely order
8. RX72NR: Leather Wrap - NA - NA - I'm in
9. AzEKnightz: Plasti-Dip - ***** - NA - Order D.O.P. (missing color information black is default)
10. f1bluerx7: Anodized - Black - ***** - I'm in. (with or without clear?)
11. LeeC: Plasti-dip - Black - NA - ***** (missing order information ie. D.O.P., <$$$, cheep as poss)
12. SWAY33: Plastidip - Black - NA - NA or Anodized - Black - NA - D.O.P
13. GreatShamanGT: Plasti-dip - ***** - NA - Order D.O.P. (missing color information black is default)
14. BizarroTerl: Plasti-dip - Black - NA - order if <$500
15. lt1_rx7: Plasti-dip - Black - NA - D.O.P. X2
16. crispyrx7: Anodized - Black - w/o clear, (at $250 maybe, $200 definitely)
17. gmonsen:
18. 333rx7:
19. pacman74:
20. wReX:
21. lvblkjack:
22. anderdick88:
23. toyzzzz: - interested
24. oyy0: - interested
25. shmacklepap: - very interested
26. Ernesto13B: - $200-$350
27. Julian:
28. Ducarius: - interested
29. bencb44: - definitely interested
30. ryan1:
31. imluvinit:
32. helghast7:
33. Rice Hata:
34. BlueMetallicRX7:
35. Ducarius:
36. The Driver:
37. lwnslw: x2 maybe
38. W0lfgang:
39. Ernesto13B: - <$200-$250
40. Wringley:
41. Natey:
42. viviorunitia88: - pending
43. superjet3:
44. robecks:
45. nguybao: Plasti-dip - Black - NA -
46. Dis1: Plasti-Dip/Powder-Coating/Anodizing - Black - WO/Clear - D.O.P.
47. RotorMotor: Dip/powder coat/anodized - matte/satin black
48. - Removed - montego: - Removed -
49. alanwu07: Carbon Fiber (D.O.P, Plasti-Dip if too high) - Black - NA - D.O.P. ($250 or below)
50. NissanConvert: Plasti-Dip - Black - NA - <$200
51: marcus.raw:
52. rotary.works: Plasti-Dip - Black - NA - D.O.P.
53. ledgebmx:
54. NV02: Bead-blasted - NA - W/Clear - ****
55. red_dragon: Plasti-Dip - Black - NA - 250 maybe 200 definitely
56. TuRbOnOs7: Carbon Fiber - NA - NA - ****
57. Crazydevil: Plasti-Dip - Black - NA - D.O.P.
58. sakology: Leather wrap
59. bosozokuxx:
60. Finster: Plasti-Dip - Black - Local Pick Up
61. asianguy02: Plasti-Dip - Black - D.O.P.
62. stealthfox: Anodizing - black - w/o clear - $200-300
63. KKMpunkrock2011: Plasti-Dip - Black - NA - D.O.P.
64. neit_jnf: Plasti-Dip - Black - NA - D.O.P.
65. felipe herrera: Interested
66. twoseater: Plasti-Dip - Black - NA - D.O.P. or plain aluminum w/clear coat.
67. The Driver: Gloss black Powdercoat or High gloss Black paint.
68. bajaman: Anodizing - black - w/o clear - $200 for sure
69. F1blueRx7: raw castin/cheap as possible. not sure if i want to paint/polish/dip or what
70. walker7rx7: Plasti-Dip - Black - **** - ****
71. EvanchiX: Carbon Fiber - NA - NA - ****
72. RCCAZ 1: Plain - NA - NA - ****
73. jeffp: **** - **** - **** - D.O.P.

Better example:
You can see better in these pictures how one dimple size is too small and one dimple size is too big.

You can also see in the picture that I sent to the engineer with the red lines on it how the alignment/positioning of the replicated dimples SHOULD go and you can see that the lines are not parallel or perpendicular and NOT perfect but it is what I expect.

Can you just make the shit smooth and make it cheaper? I could give a rats ass if it has dimples, I just want a replacement handle that will not break and preferably soon.

I'm not sure that anyone would necessarily want to rush you, and we do all appreciate your attention to detail. If the design firm could not come through on what you paid them for then ask for your money back. Shoot me a PM, I may have someone that can help (and she's in the bay).

I'm just having a hard time understanding why you would want to spend extra money (which I assume will increase the cost of the handles) to add something cosmetically to an area which will not be seen :scratch: . I'm a stickler for details as well but at some point its just got to be good enough. Also as far as logistics, is it really going to be feasible to offer as many coatings/coverings etc as you would like to? That seems like another step which may get in the way of getting these actually produced, and significantly increasing the cost. You can't make everyone happy, and in order to actually push this project in the direction of it realistically happening at a reasonable price I would pick the top few options and just roll with it. (not to mention with coverings such as leather or carbon fiber you wont even see the dimples). A softer rubberized coating would be nice (if it would be durable) or powdercoating in matte or glossy black. Any interior shop can cover the handles in leather if someone wants that option. Not to try to get n your business, but I think some simplification would not hurt this project.

PM sent thanks,
I would not want to spend extra money, I think you misunderstood me, here is an example:
If I found an engineer that could replicate the dimples for $200 then I would demand a refund from the current engineer that could not do it in the same amount of $200.
you are correct and there will be a point where it will just have to be good enough, that point will be when it is just not possible to do it or when the cost outweighs the benefits. (the extra cost is $0 because there is little benefit) but because this feature was included in the quote then that is why I am expecting to get what I paid for.

I fully understand where you are coming from and I hope i can explain:

the reverse engineering on the door handle is all done at once on the computer so the extra offsets and removal of the dimples for the wrappings does not slow the process down.

during the casting of the aluminum cores the different offsets etc will not take any longer...

when I get all the aluminum cores back the unfinished / raw ones will get shipped out right away and then the painted or polished or plasti-dipd ones will get done and then shipped out and then the powder-coated ones will be done a week or 2 later and then the ones that will take the longest are the leather or carbon fiber wrapped ones

basically all the different options will not take that much longer than the first ones and if people are in a rush for it that much they can just order the plain ones and finish them on their own but in any case making this project any simpler would not speed up anything.

Hope this helps.
Jeremy

well lets see here, looking at the list there are only 6 people interested in carbon fiber or leather wrapped handles and only 2 of them look confirmed without knowing the price yet and one is out if the carbon fiber is over $250 (witch it defiantly will be more than that) so that makes 5 people not needing dimples and 2 of those are confirmed.....

so should i make a completely different production run for only 2-5 handles? :scratch: do you know how much that would cost?

I am doing a single,... larger production run to get a bulk discount and lower the cost to all...

I don't feel I need to explain any more here.

just set the price already jeez

Maybe I don't understand. You're about to drop a product that *no* one else even offers. It's not like you're even offering a superior product to someone else, You're the *ONLY* Source of said product, what do you have to lose by making a product that's not 100% identical to stock. You really think you're going to lose a potential buyer because of that?

RotorMotor2,
Take your time and do it to your satisfaction. You've explained your logic and it makes sense.

Ignore the "I could do this in 15 minutes with my eyes closed - but never ever do" whiners.

^excuse me but how long have YOU been waiting for this guy to finish this?

OK, whoever wants a handle at their doorstep in their hands without any care for cosmetic quality within 10 days then paypal me $600 and I will make your handle sand cast and plasti-dipped and guarantee it from breakage.....

is $600 too much for you for what I have described?

show me the money or wait.

nobody is waiting for me to finish this handle, if you have been reading carefully you will see that this is an "INTEREST LIST" for people that are INTERESTED. not an order list that needs to get filled. I'm sorry if this interest list has gotten anybody's hopes up for a product that will be available very SOON but it wont. There is also the likely possibility that the manufacturing cost of the investment casting will cost $400 a handle for example and not include any coatings or wrappings or shipping etc... and would any of you still want one? there is still a lot of unknown at this point so patience would be appreciated, all I ever ask for is your opinion from time to time.

Not as long as I'm willing to wait. :egrin:

it looks great and I would be interested in something like this and I wish you luck with everything! Would it be possible to remove all the dimples in the CAD then just place your own? Or is that what he was talking about with the wrong spacing? It might look close as possible to stock, but also get rid of the current problem of the seam. Again, everything looks great and I can't wait to see a finished product!

Robert

if you ever come out with it