What's the B in 13BT for?
#3
Originally Posted by synesthete
The one rotor first gens were 12A, so there you go... B = 2 wankels
12A is a 2 rotor....
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#8
Originally Posted by TonyD89
Sorta what was said above. The displacement went up to 1.3 liters from 1.2 in the 12A. Basically by widening the rotors. Therefore making a different motor.
#9
12A --> 2 rotors, 1.2 liters (If I remember well)
13B --> 2 rotors, 1.3 liters
20B --> 3 rotors, 2 liters
The T is for turbo, I just thought that B meant someting, and it must. They don't just decide anything without any sense behind it.
Maybe it is for 2nd gen, but if it is so, there would be a C with the 3rd gen no?
13B --> 2 rotors, 1.3 liters
20B --> 3 rotors, 2 liters
The T is for turbo, I just thought that B meant someting, and it must. They don't just decide anything without any sense behind it.
Maybe it is for 2nd gen, but if it is so, there would be a C with the 3rd gen no?
#10
the b is probably just because its the 2nd rotary engine in rx7s. and 20b is still b probably coz each rotor still has the same displacement. maybe when a new motor comes out with each rotor displacing more it will be C??
just taking a guess.
just taking a guess.
#11
Just a thought, B could be like a revision number. For example, maybe after the 12A mazda made a 13A prototype that never saw production, then upon making a few changes they renamed it the 13B.
*edit*
IIRC there was a thread about this a while back and I think the letters had to do with rotor width.
*edit*
IIRC there was a thread about this a while back and I think the letters had to do with rotor width.
#12
Originally Posted by playdeadva
the b is probably just because its the 2nd rotary engine in rx7s. and 20b is still b probably coz each rotor still has the same displacement. maybe when a new motor comes out with each rotor displacing more it will be C??
just taking a guess.
just taking a guess.
#16
Originally Posted by Juiceh
Please tell me your kidding.... If not, you have no right to laugh at the original poster.
12A is a 2 rotor....
12A is a 2 rotor....
#17
I know they made some 12 A with only 1 rotor, and also 13 b I think. But they were more used with aircraft I think so. I read it in the 1st gen section. I'll try to find the post.
#18
I found the post. There's nothing about a single rotor 13b. The guy only wondered if the single 12A was not a half 13B.
Here's the link: https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...ighlight=rotor
Here's the link: https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...ighlight=rotor
#19
The A or B or etc refers to the rotor width.
There are 10A and 12B motors as well as 20B and G, and 13A models. There was even J models.
70mm width = A
80mm width = B
etc
There are 10A and 12B motors as well as 20B and G, and 13A models. There was even J models.
70mm width = A
80mm width = B
etc
Last edited by Icemark; 05-22-06 at 07:31 PM.
#21
from the faq:
What do the 10A, 12A, 13B & 20B Mazda engine designations mean?
The numbers represent metric displacement. Power is generated from one face of each rotor per shaft revolution. 10 is the result of two 491 cc rotor chambers, 982 cc total, which rounds to 1.0 litres. 12 is the result of two 573 cc rotor chambers, 1146 cc total, which incorrectly rounds to 1.2 litres. 13 is the result of two 654 cc rotor chambers, 1308 cc total, which rounds to 1.3 litres. 20 is the result of three 654 cc rotor chambers, 1962 cc total, which rounds to 2.0 litres.
The letters "A" & "B" represent the combination of two basic production engine configuration parameters, "eccentricity" and "generating radius". The "A" is applied to the first (A), and only, combination of the two specifications actually deployed in a regular production engine of nominal 0.60 litre displacement per rotor, the 12A. The "A" was also applied to the first (A), and not only, combination of the two specifications actually deployed in a regular production engine of nominal 0.65 litre displacement per rotor, the low production 13A. Mazda later determined greater economy could be achieved by using the 12A's combination of eccentricity and generating radius in conjuction with a wider rotor, thus giving birth to the second (B) regular production rotary of nominal 0.65 litre displacement per rotor, the 13B. If Mazda were to create new two rotor engines of 0.60 and/or 0.65 litre displacement per rotor using some different combination of generating radius and eccentricity, application of the same logic previously applied by Mazda in naming its rotaries would give birth to a 12B and/or a 13C.
Engine Eccentricity Generating Radius
10A, 12A, 13B, 20B 15 mm 104 mm
13A 17.5 mm 119 mm
Eccentricity
the distance from the center of eccentric shaft rotation to the center of the rotor
Generating radius
the distance from the center of the rotor to its apex.
What do the 10A, 12A, 13B & 20B Mazda engine designations mean?
The numbers represent metric displacement. Power is generated from one face of each rotor per shaft revolution. 10 is the result of two 491 cc rotor chambers, 982 cc total, which rounds to 1.0 litres. 12 is the result of two 573 cc rotor chambers, 1146 cc total, which incorrectly rounds to 1.2 litres. 13 is the result of two 654 cc rotor chambers, 1308 cc total, which rounds to 1.3 litres. 20 is the result of three 654 cc rotor chambers, 1962 cc total, which rounds to 2.0 litres.
The letters "A" & "B" represent the combination of two basic production engine configuration parameters, "eccentricity" and "generating radius". The "A" is applied to the first (A), and only, combination of the two specifications actually deployed in a regular production engine of nominal 0.60 litre displacement per rotor, the 12A. The "A" was also applied to the first (A), and not only, combination of the two specifications actually deployed in a regular production engine of nominal 0.65 litre displacement per rotor, the low production 13A. Mazda later determined greater economy could be achieved by using the 12A's combination of eccentricity and generating radius in conjuction with a wider rotor, thus giving birth to the second (B) regular production rotary of nominal 0.65 litre displacement per rotor, the 13B. If Mazda were to create new two rotor engines of 0.60 and/or 0.65 litre displacement per rotor using some different combination of generating radius and eccentricity, application of the same logic previously applied by Mazda in naming its rotaries would give birth to a 12B and/or a 13C.
Engine Eccentricity Generating Radius
10A, 12A, 13B, 20B 15 mm 104 mm
13A 17.5 mm 119 mm
Eccentricity
the distance from the center of eccentric shaft rotation to the center of the rotor
Generating radius
the distance from the center of the rotor to its apex.