General Rotary Tech Support Use this forum for tech questions not specific to a certain model year
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: CARiD

Spark plug broke inside housing

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 08-02-09 | 05:55 PM
  #1  
BomberMan's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 298
Likes: 0
From: Amherst, Massachusetts
MA Spark plug broke inside housing

Hey there, I have a 1991 RX7 turbo with an old engine that I was attempting to clean. I used the ATF trick and after spinning the engine a few times with the spark plugs out I was about to start it.

So I screw them in like ususal, only I guess I used a little too much torque on the rear trailing spark plug and it broke off inside the housing! I took out what was left (the center electrode, porcelain and the end threads) but much of the threads and the 4 ground electrodes are left stuck inside the housing!

Are there any tricks I can use to retrieve this? It's not like I can take the head off to drill it out, so do I just have to rebuild? Ideas guys, please!
Old 08-02-09 | 06:42 PM
  #2  
hhn2002's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 306
Likes: 0
From: fl
wait so the hex part where the socket fits over is gone too?
Old 08-02-09 | 07:00 PM
  #3  
apexhittinbull's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (21)
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 734
Likes: 8
From: Los Angeles
Wow, first time I ever heard of that happening. How old was the spark plug that broke off? You'v got to talk to NGK, if you'v used theirs.

Good luck.
Old 08-02-09 | 08:15 PM
  #4  
arghx's Avatar
rotorhead
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 16,188
Likes: 438
From: cold
Is any metal still accessible? I've rounded the hex of one of those BR10EIX plugs that sit deeper in the housing. I ended up having a friend use a cheap gasless MIG to weld a piece of pipe to the metal, and then a hex not on the pipe. so i turned the whole thing and that helped me remove the plug.

Attached Thumbnails Spark plug broke inside housing-damaged_plug.jpg  
Old 08-03-09 | 01:32 PM
  #5  
BomberMan's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 298
Likes: 0
From: Amherst, Massachusetts
Originally Posted by arghx
Is any metal still accessible? I've rounded the hex of one of those BR10EIX plugs that sit deeper in the housing. I ended up having a friend use a cheap gasless MIG to weld a piece of pipe to the metal, and then a hex not on the pipe. so i turned the whole thing and that helped me remove the plug.
Wow... that sucks. My problem isn't nearly as bad.

In fact I got it out of the housing this morning! Here are the bits:



Look at the end of the NGK plug and notice that without the center electrode it looks remarkably like a phillips head screw. I actually managed to carefully back the broken plug out with a decent amount of torque on a screwdriver. There might still be some bits of metal stuck in the thread since my spare plug doesn't screw in too easily.

So just for future reference, how many ft/lbs do I use on this? Oh, and do you think there may be any problems from a couple flakes of metal getting into the chamber? I already have poor compression on the rear rotor.
Old 08-03-09 | 08:16 PM
  #6  
Romanator's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 711
Likes: 0
From: Montreal,Quebec
I made the same mistake. I over tightened the spark plug and the center cracked from the electrode and threads and was stuck in the trailling housing. You were able to get it out with a screwdriver, lucky you. I had to make a few phone calls and get a snap-on deep socket extractor.
Old 08-06-09 | 05:05 PM
  #7  
RX7SP's Avatar
rotary addict
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 200
Likes: 0
From: Montreal, Canada
Is that so Roman Hummm.......

Makes me wonder when did you make all those phone calls
must have been while I was taking the broken threaded part of the plug out for you.

BTW it is not a deep socket extractor et is only called an left hand extractor.

J-P
Old 08-12-09 | 08:49 PM
  #8  
2J-Z's Avatar
Junior Member

 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
From: Canada
wow, that's gonna make me worried every time i change plugs now, glad you got it out
Old 08-15-09 | 09:58 PM
  #9  
cewrx7r1's Avatar
Eye In The Sky
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 7,916
Likes: 123
From: In A Disfunctional World
That is why an intelligent mechanic reads the torque speck for fasteners and uses torque wrenches.
Old 08-15-09 | 11:52 PM
  #10  
misterstyx69's Avatar
Retired Moderator, RIP
iTrader: (142)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 25,581
Likes: 133
From: Smiths Falls.(near Ottawa!.Mapquest IT!)
Wow..Carnage at its Best!
I use anti sieze on Plug threads,so they don't get stuck.(good thing to try to get into).
and I Never tighten the plugs TIGHT tight.just enough that the threads Lock,and then Slap the Socket wrench and Done.(that is my Torque Wrench..a Slap,..haha!).
but I have to say that the Above answers are good examples on HOW to fix Sht if it happens.I commend the Ingenuity.
Old 08-16-09 | 02:15 AM
  #11  
tasty danish's Avatar
Doesn't suck
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 701
Likes: 0
From: Pensacola FL
I don't use a torque wrench on plugs, maybe I should, but I was taught by an old hotrodder (person that got me into cars in the first place) to just do them finger tight and then a very slight snugging (1/8 of a turn-ish?). he reasoned that they get very tight after some thermal cycles, and it's true that plugs always come out harder than you screwed them in.

Anti seize is also a good idea. I've never had an issue with any of my plug ever, whatever you do, do not torque the hell out of spark plugs.
Old 08-17-09 | 07:26 AM
  #12  
hhn2002's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 306
Likes: 0
From: fl
yea, they dont need to be torqued very tight at all.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
trickster
2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992)
25
07-01-23 05:40 PM
The1Sun
New Member RX-7 Technical
9
03-19-18 12:08 AM
alphawolff
1st Generation Specific (1979-1985)
17
11-17-15 06:57 PM
VTECthis
3rd Generation Specific (1993-2002)
3
08-24-15 10:01 PM
Joe428
1st Generation Specific (1979-1985)
16
08-19-15 07:24 PM



Quick Reply: Spark plug broke inside housing



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:18 PM.