HKS Fcon King Pro
07-09-02, 11:09 PM
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HKS Fcon King Pro
I'm looking for any info on the HKS Fcon King Pro. Alot of people know about the Fcon-S and -V but that's about it. I've got one in my 7 right now, which I just purchased. I'm currently getting the engine rebuilt. That's why I'm looking for info on the King Pro. It seems like tuning is limited because the software needed is only distributed to certain shops.
I'm trying to find out all I can on the unit to decide whether or not I should get a different computer.
I'm living in Japan right now where I have a Japanese spec '92 FD. I'm running a single T-04R turbine, HKS 3 Core Intercooler, HKS Super airflow intake, Mazda Speed exhaust , HKS down pipe and straight pipe along with HKS Wastegate, Mazda Speed heavy duty single clutch, twin Nissan Skyline GTR fuel pumps, APEXi AVC-R boost controller and Amemiya 17" AW7's wrapped in 285 Yokohama A032Rs. The engine is getting a larger street porting right now as well as all new internals and gaskets.
I know the King Pro can handle everything I have now plus anything I can add later. The only problem is it cost about $400 to get tuned and that's everytime I change something.
So any info on the King Pro would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
I'm trying to find out all I can on the unit to decide whether or not I should get a different computer.
I'm living in Japan right now where I have a Japanese spec '92 FD. I'm running a single T-04R turbine, HKS 3 Core Intercooler, HKS Super airflow intake, Mazda Speed exhaust , HKS down pipe and straight pipe along with HKS Wastegate, Mazda Speed heavy duty single clutch, twin Nissan Skyline GTR fuel pumps, APEXi AVC-R boost controller and Amemiya 17" AW7's wrapped in 285 Yokohama A032Rs. The engine is getting a larger street porting right now as well as all new internals and gaskets.
I know the King Pro can handle everything I have now plus anything I can add later. The only problem is it cost about $400 to get tuned and that's everytime I change something.
So any info on the King Pro would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
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09-24-05, 12:20 AM
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Just to let you know, it's called KIN PRO, not KING.
KIN stands for GOLD in Japanese, and since the newer box itself is the color gold, tuners call it KIN PRO. This is because HKS had a precious FCON V PRO ECU was in a silver box with a lesser bit rate (GIN PRO= Silver PRO). Tuners started to call the newer V PRO (version 3.0 and above.. i believe the most current verison is 3.24 right now...) KIN PRO to differentiate it with the older GIN PRO. FYI for those that do not know, the "V" in FCON V PRO is the roman numeral "5" not the letter "V". So where was the 4,3,2, and 1? The old school PFC FCON (PFC=Programmed Fuel Control , F-CON= Fuel Computer) series. Why do people call the unit V PRO not 5 PRO or GO PRO (GO=five in Japanese)? Some say it's Engrish (Jenglish, Japanese English), some say it just sounds better, some say it's easier to pronouce in Japanese... who knows. OK OK i digress... moving on.
Anyways, to help you in your decision: (my opinion of course)
KEEP IT:
1. If you do not have any of the following:
A. knowledge and experience to tune at all.
B. knowledge and experience to tune 3D fuel and timing maps.
C. knowledge and experience to tune a rotary engine.
D. knowledge and experience to tune a highly midified rotary.
- 3D map tuning takes years of experience to be a master. Tuning a rotary is another monster. The rotary engine is understood to be more fragile than that of a reciprocating engine. (I say "more fragile" because unlike what people think, rotaries are more durable than most people's perception of the engine. It's all about knowing how to build one correctly and just as important, tuning it correctly)
2. If you have all of the above, but have no time to do it. =)
3. Once you have finalized the specs for your rotary to a degree, no more tuning is necessary until you add a different part, change your driving style, or something breaks and you need to replace a part. If it is tuned by a true tuning professional, the ECU will compensate for a certain degree of changes.
4. $400 is not bad at all as far as dialing in your ECU as long as the professional knows what he's doing, especially because a T04R turbo on a modified engine is considered a heavily modified spec. Amemiya would charge almost double if not more with your current layout.
5. V PRO is bang for the buck. Most tuners in Japan will favor using the V PRO because it's tuner friendly for professionals and allows for true fine tuning.
6. If it came with the vehicle and it's paid for, GREAT you SCORED!!! Buying a unit new, plus having a shop install, set up, and tune from the start is extremely expensive and it usually runs you about $2500 starting. The unit itself retails close to $1500. You will find a great majority of FD owners with VPRO or people who want V PRO but cannot afford it.
7. If you can acquire the PowerWriter software and the Hard Key so that you have access to load, modify, tune (assuming you know how to tune). OR you are a computer genius or have a friend that is that can hack into the unit. (Impossible to do, as far as i know)
8. If you love HKS. =)
Replace it:
1. If you have all the knowledge and experience necessary
2. If you decide to get an ECU such as an APEX POWER FC that allows you fine tune on your own, but only to a certain degree. POWER FC has a 20 bit processor, so fine tuning the maps is not as well done as with a 32 bit HKS V PRO.
3. If you feel as though you need more fine tuning with greater power such as a MOTEC and either you know how to tune it or have a tuner friend that can.
4. If you want to self teach yourself how to tune and have the money and the time to replace parts or engine(S). The learning curve for tuning rotary engines is far slower than that of tuning a piston engine.
5. If you hate HKS. =)
I am not going into details in what the capabilities and limitations are for engine management systems, but the pointers above are good tips for you to think about.
Hope this helps in your decision. (^-^)
KIN stands for GOLD in Japanese, and since the newer box itself is the color gold, tuners call it KIN PRO. This is because HKS had a precious FCON V PRO ECU was in a silver box with a lesser bit rate (GIN PRO= Silver PRO). Tuners started to call the newer V PRO (version 3.0 and above.. i believe the most current verison is 3.24 right now...) KIN PRO to differentiate it with the older GIN PRO. FYI for those that do not know, the "V" in FCON V PRO is the roman numeral "5" not the letter "V". So where was the 4,3,2, and 1? The old school PFC FCON (PFC=Programmed Fuel Control , F-CON= Fuel Computer) series. Why do people call the unit V PRO not 5 PRO or GO PRO (GO=five in Japanese)? Some say it's Engrish (Jenglish, Japanese English), some say it just sounds better, some say it's easier to pronouce in Japanese... who knows. OK OK i digress... moving on.
Anyways, to help you in your decision: (my opinion of course)
KEEP IT:
1. If you do not have any of the following:
A. knowledge and experience to tune at all.
B. knowledge and experience to tune 3D fuel and timing maps.
C. knowledge and experience to tune a rotary engine.
D. knowledge and experience to tune a highly midified rotary.
- 3D map tuning takes years of experience to be a master. Tuning a rotary is another monster. The rotary engine is understood to be more fragile than that of a reciprocating engine. (I say "more fragile" because unlike what people think, rotaries are more durable than most people's perception of the engine. It's all about knowing how to build one correctly and just as important, tuning it correctly)
2. If you have all of the above, but have no time to do it. =)
3. Once you have finalized the specs for your rotary to a degree, no more tuning is necessary until you add a different part, change your driving style, or something breaks and you need to replace a part. If it is tuned by a true tuning professional, the ECU will compensate for a certain degree of changes.
4. $400 is not bad at all as far as dialing in your ECU as long as the professional knows what he's doing, especially because a T04R turbo on a modified engine is considered a heavily modified spec. Amemiya would charge almost double if not more with your current layout.
5. V PRO is bang for the buck. Most tuners in Japan will favor using the V PRO because it's tuner friendly for professionals and allows for true fine tuning.
6. If it came with the vehicle and it's paid for, GREAT you SCORED!!! Buying a unit new, plus having a shop install, set up, and tune from the start is extremely expensive and it usually runs you about $2500 starting. The unit itself retails close to $1500. You will find a great majority of FD owners with VPRO or people who want V PRO but cannot afford it.
7. If you can acquire the PowerWriter software and the Hard Key so that you have access to load, modify, tune (assuming you know how to tune). OR you are a computer genius or have a friend that is that can hack into the unit. (Impossible to do, as far as i know)
8. If you love HKS. =)
Replace it:
1. If you have all the knowledge and experience necessary
2. If you decide to get an ECU such as an APEX POWER FC that allows you fine tune on your own, but only to a certain degree. POWER FC has a 20 bit processor, so fine tuning the maps is not as well done as with a 32 bit HKS V PRO.
3. If you feel as though you need more fine tuning with greater power such as a MOTEC and either you know how to tune it or have a tuner friend that can.
4. If you want to self teach yourself how to tune and have the money and the time to replace parts or engine(S). The learning curve for tuning rotary engines is far slower than that of tuning a piston engine.
5. If you hate HKS. =)
I am not going into details in what the capabilities and limitations are for engine management systems, but the pointers above are good tips for you to think about.
Hope this helps in your decision. (^-^)
Last edited by HKS FC3S; 09-24-05 at 12:24 AM.
