Fingers

I know this subject has been beaten to death, and it's strictly a preference issue, but for an fc, what is YOUR preference?

Please only vote/post if you have experience with either system

Project84

I only have experience with Haltechs system, so my opinion would be biased.

kabooski

Who ever MOD's this 2ND GeN section better close this thread...............

Another FLAME WAR is going to Start
if this thread is not closed

Dan H

Go on the TeamFC3S site. There is a large thread on Haltech vs. Microtech.

Personally, I run a Microtech but only because it came with the car when I bought it. I'm sure the Haltech is very good too.

REFLUX

I vote:
whichever tuner lives closest to you.

rx7_turbo2

I agree nothing positive is going to come from this thread close it down now.

Black13B

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Why? Let it happen. At least then we would be able to see what reasoning people have for choosing one over the other.

Besides it hasn't gotten out of hand yet, so don't worry about it.

Didn't you mention to Fingers in the Canadian forum not to start this debate in someone else's thread?

gsracer

It doesn't have to turn into a flame war. There is a thread on teamfc3s that's nearly identical and I think this has the potential to be quite helpful.

As far as I know the lt8 is more on par with the e6k than the e11 which is more advanced. Microtech seems to be a little easier to set up, but it's a little newer at leat in the states. People have been using the e6k on 13bt's for years. I think in the end it would probably come down to the preference of your chosen tuner.

Fingers

Nobody's asking for a flame war. Just vote for christ's sake. If you got nothing nice to say, then don't say anything pls

I'm not looking for an argument, just a simple freaking vote

Thanks

rx7_turbo2

It does not work that way when it comes to Haltech and Microtech. If you want to find out about the systems do a search there is a zillion threads on the issue, we don't need another one. Or PM people that have the different systems and as them privately, you'll get a way more informative answer that way.

There as been way to many of these threads, and none I mean none have ended well. Those of you who think this can stay civil are extremly niave and have not been around this topic enough. Hopefully posting stupid posts like this will keep this thread off topic enough to avoid the drama,.

silverrotor

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I thought we had a good debate about MT and HT, aswell as the Involvement of Wolf, In the Canadian Forum right now.

rx7_turbo2

Ya but even that one started to go south, everyone in that one is playing it cool, but it's on the razors edge as well. And that proves my point there are threads like this EVERYWHERE.

Evil Aviator

I voted for Other (Wolf)

Kai

Choice C: no experience with either.

eViLRotor

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WerD!!!

LT8TurboII

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I have had expierience with both the E6K and the Microtech LT8. For my personal car I chose the LT8 because at the time there weren't many running in the US (pre-first group buy) and it looked interesting and different and I had played with the Haltech E6K already. So I sold my E6K before I ever put it on my car and ordered the Microtech.

Heres how I break it down:

Microtech:
Pros:
Easy to setup and configure.
Windows software
Graphical AND Text based datalogging
Ability to get a basic setup in 2d then port to 3d
Simplicity of Ignition tuning (this is a two edged sword)
Dash Unit/Hand controller
Hardware reliability
Use of OEM Mazda sensors (People knock GM quality all day long, then tout that their sensor's are better than the NipponDenso stuff Mazda uses?)
Manufacturer to end user support
LT(X)12 ability to control a Bosche WB Sensor
Staged sequencial injection

Cons:
Simplicity of ignition (While this is a ncie thing it is also very limiting as to what you can do for daily driving while excercizing some "tricks" with ignition to help turbo spool ect.)
Dealer Dependancy (You can't change much yourself)
Laptop Dongle (not much they can do about this without forking ALOT of money over to Electromotive)
Outputs not quite as configureable as Haltech.
No saving maps to files (this sucks I hate this, though as a tuner it would help you make money as maps arent all over the internet and they would have to come to you to get them.)


Haltech E6K
Pro:
Pretty much ANY E6K will run ANY car without sending it back to Haltech.
3D ignition and Trail split
Increased resolution
Haltech 'BAR' style tuning

Con:
Hardware reliability
Manufacturer to end user support
Older DOS based software so you lose a little in datalogging.
Only batch fire with staged injection on a rotary.

You cannot compare the current LTx series of Microtechs to the AEM, E11, Wolf 3D V4 or the Autronic. Its not in the same price range and therefore not in the same league.

So in our comaprison we are pretty much left to the E6X and LTx series. Either ECU will run a street car just fine. You can tell the Microtech is a little more pointed and designed for the rotary engine while the Haltech is far more universal. I have used BOTH and like both, and if I had the choice to make over again now that I have used both, I would say it would take some serious thought and debate.

Though it would be hard to lose that dash unit.

On this turning in to a flame war, I do not think there is a reason it has to. If everyone can possibly act like an adult and just state facts and leave the smart *** comments and snide remarks out (though I know that is asking alot of some people) then we will be fine.

jreynish

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I have the Microtech LT-8, after much debate about the pros and cons, I decided on the LT-8 over the E6K because it had most of the options excluding a few! and the CUSTOMER SUPPORT is aswsome! very quick and very precise in helping you out!

West TX RX-7

Haltech just because I'm not familiar with microtech. I do know the Haltech is very user friendly and easy to adjust.

Fingers

Dude the only one causing drama here is you... so just drop it please. You made your point, so knock it off already. Let people speak their minds ON THE SUBJECT.

Fingers

Sweet thanks alot for the info LT8turbo and jreynish and west tx. Your opinions are very much appreciated.

So far my choice is microtech.

I am concerned with the WB o2 sensor aspect, as ideally, i want to have this option. Any comments about the LT8 WB capabilities?

jreynish

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fingers,
I actually just asked about that and am waiting for a reply as soon as i get one I will pass that info on to you !

Trav

There are no LT8 WB capabilities as far as I know. You have to have the LT12 for WB support. Last I knew, no-one had a reliable/accurate 1v output WB sensor -- they're all 5v?

From what I've read, theoretically if you could get the signal down to 1v accurately, you could have the LT8 show the WB results -- but no datalogging?

This is from memory guys, so feel free to say if I mistated something or there is new info.


personally I chose the Microtech, but no experience with either one yet. Mostly because the support seemed good, group-buy was convenient, and the ease-of-use was attractive.

scathcart

E6K is pretty much equal to an LT8. Performance will be very similar. Either of these are a good choice. I would be happy with either.

E11 is by far superior to the LT8 in performance. No Comparison.

If I could go with any EMS, though, it'd be Motec.



Can I start the flame war?

Mudderfuning Microtech! MACROtech is the shiznit! Why go micro when you can go MACRO?! My sister says the same thing HA HA HA.
A race car running the MACROtech just went 0.01 faster in the quarter mile than it did on the microtech, so shove that up your CAI!!!
No ECU comes close to the MACROTECH! I will defend it with internet insults to the very death (of the thread)!!!!
Sincerely,
- Some racing team backed by EMS they use

Josepi

In a perfect world where the narrow band output of wideband controllers would function correctly, you could use the narrow band output from a wideband device and use the input for the LT-8 O2 sensor. Then it'd log just fine.



I'll probably end up going that route, if I can confirm that the techedge 2.0 fixed their problem of narrowband output...

eViLRotor

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Since we are comparing EMS's, I'll just post what Evil Avaitor kindly put up in the CDN forum.

This compares the MT with the Wolf 3d v4. Maybe somebody could post up the corresponding Haltech E6K and E11 numbers for comparison.

Wolf V4: 0.003ms injector resolution
LT8: 0.01ms injector resolution (As per 10sec rx7)
LT8: 0.06ms injector resolution (As per BR7)

Wolf V4: RPM base map bands every 125rpm (can be quickly re-scaled to every 250rpm, 500rpm, or 1000rpm)
LT8: RPM base map bands every 500rpm

Wolf V4: 16 base map load bands, rescaleable
LT8: 16 base map load bands, fixed (4 vacuum + 10 boost up to 25psig)

Wolf V4: Approx 23psig max boost with stock MAP sensor
LT8: Approx 20psig max boost with stock MAP sensor

Wolf V4: Rotary engine split ignition timing vs. rpm
LT8: Rotary engine split ignition timing vs. rpm

Wolf V4: Ignition timing 0.35 deg resolution
LT8: Ignition timing 1 deg resolution

Wolf V4: 16,000rpm max base map settings
LT8: 9,000rpm max base map settings

Wolf V4: BAC support standard
LT8: BAC support optional

Wolf V4: Closed loop O2 standard
LT8: No closed loop O2

Wolf V4: Digital boost control vs. rpm, boost control solenoid not included
LT8: Trim pot boost control optional

Wolf V4: Hand controller with AFR display standard
LT8: Hand controller with AFR display optional, wideband O2 support optional, dash unit optional

Wolf V4: Windows live software and interface cable standard
LT8: Windows live software and interface cable optional

Wolf V4: No ignition coil/igniter packs
LT8: Ignition coil/igniter packs optional (LTX8)

Wolf V4: No datalogging
LT8: On-board datalogging standard

Wolf V4: One map per memory cartridge, unlimited maps on laptop
LT8: 2 maps on hand controller, 4 on laptop