Derek King

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i love you

dial8

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UM you know what makes drag racing a sport? Experience, time, money, SKILL, practice. What makes Road racing a sport? Experience, time, money, SKILL, practice, practice, practice, SKILL, money, practice, coaching, money, practice, SKILL. Drifting?...Anyone...Hmm, it appears the jury is still out. But the question asked was why there is an RX-7 Forum and no drift section. I think you answered the question with your pictures. Driftin RX-7 = self esteem boost at the track = you telling yourself"I'm a good driftererer...?" = which ends up with an FC off the side of the road after attempting to "Drift". No Drift section because the majority of the population HERE is still inetersted in "keepin the rubber side down". I know, it sounds odd, why would you want traction? Because the art of keeping tarction and speed in a corner IS a sport.

dial8

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What is there to understand? They do it in another country and you want to prove you can do it too? You see 240s, Supras, 350zs, Mustangs, and even the 1991 Civic Si sliding around a corner and now you think your car can too? "Elder Driver" stickers are out of style in your area and "drifting" has taken its place as the new car fad?
As for hating what i conquer, I will enjoy blasting around Sears Pt. 15-20mph faster than any car doing a sideways burn out can. And I will hate them because they are slow.

Slow is for the LA freeways between 3pm and 7pm.

dial8

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Again, I win.

Derek King

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lol yah because drifting doesnt take skill???driving sideways at 60mph just feet away from another car isnt skill i guess lol. sorry i did the auto x thing for about 2 years and got a little bored with it after a few FTD's and many class wins in a few of the local regions ect.. and hmmm for some reason autox never put money back in pocket. but weirdly enough doing all this drifting and winning a few events here and there and this being my first season doing it i have actually gotten some money back believe it or not. its nice to have a weekend planned out with certain budget and whta you are going to spend and then at the end of the weekend come home with a few extra bucks then you left with while having the time of your life and having so much fun

SLOASFK

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Apparently on public roads...

You R winnr!!1

Derek King

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in the middle of the country, gotta practice somewhere, stay on top of the game

dial8

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THAT is why I don't like drifting. People who think like you , and think that its OK to train themselves and their cars on the streets. Thats what the track is for, thats what AutoX is for. You get money from drifting? GOOD. When I hit the track and run faster than my friends I'm HAPPY because I'm FAST. Technically the FASTEST, of our little group which makes me FASTER, than anyone who thinks the streets are a training ground. This is why you answer the question. There is no Drift section on RX7Club.com because we don't look kindly upon the 99.9% of the drift population that thinks every mountain road, every twisty section of highway, and every off-ramp has pontential. And because you posted the picture, YOU cannot deny that YOU are one of them! I'm Fast, but you are Furious, and from now on every one on the forum is going to call you Brian.

dial8

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I second this

dial8

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One more time just for effect. Tell me Brian, do you play Space Boy when start up your car? At the start of the "Touge Runs", are you bumping Back On the Rocks? Dammit man, this just keeps getting better and better.

Derek King

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Brian checking in. I think you must have missed the part where i mentioned that i do DO track events and auto x's not so much anymore but here and there now adays, i love to drive so i do it as much as possible. LOL togue roads?/ i live in indiana last time i checked its pretty flat and lame in the midwest.... LOL alright hate me because i drive. maby sometime we can do a track event together and i will bring out my stock tii with exaust "drift tuned" if thats what you call it and we can toy around on track and play nicely. RX7CLUB because i like rx7s and people who drive them thats why im on here, not to bash people who dont have the same views or share the same interests as me.

Derek king

justint5387

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I am not a drifter, i do trackdays and auto-x. Drifting needs skill and practice also, keeping a car sideways at a 45 degree corner is not easy, many professional drivers cant do it. The only problem i have for drifting is that people need to do it in a track that is organized for a drift event, dont go do it in the mountains, you are just making yourself look bad.

dial8

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I didn't miss that part, I just interpreted it to mean you liked the Drift events more since they put money back in your pocket. I don't like Drifting for more reasons than i can list here, but I like RX-7s and whether I agree with them or not, I feel a certain comraderee(sp) with RX7 owners. If I'm ever in the big IN , maybe I will take you up on the offer, but till then I see you on the streets...

dial8

Derek King

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no i dont like them more just because sometimes i get cash and thats rare anyways because i suck. its just at a drift event i get so much seat time tho compared to an auto x, its not a complete 30 min session that i would get at an hpde or anything but total time on track in the day is nearly the same for about a quarter of the cost, and right now im just addicted. just like when i was a kid i would get so excited if i was going through the trails on my four wheeler fishtailing, its just more exciting sometimes. Dont get me wrong i can go lap after lap after lap trying to run a faster time on track trying to race myself, hell i even sit in front of the damn tv playing gt4 with the gt4 for hours on end running time trials trying to go faster and faster. i love it all and i want to try it all

speed rII

dial8 is monster trucks sports or freestyle motocros?

I dont know, i drift my seven becouse its fun.
Actualy i dont even have it registered, its just for driting.

I have no idea why you hate it, have you tried to drift your car?
Parhaps you get frustrated when people practice driftin at your track,
and slow you down.
But im sure the top drift drivers will go as fast as you in those corners.

It seems to me when you say it wont take skill to drift, that you could do it so good that its boring

Enyways i love it.

dial8

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I figured it was a little more exciting than taking out the trash on Sunday Night...

Luckily they don't let both HPDE and Drift events happen at the same time. I dislike it because of the fads it has started, and as I see it as less emphasis on actual motor sports, more emphasis on what the "kids" like. I don't know about Norway, but the "kids" around here usually can't drive, can't tune, and can't hang, but refuse to take it to the track. They cause more problems for ALL tuners, but fail to ever see the connection. Stupidity = Increased police presence. Drifting your moms 240sx Auto in the mountains = Go home before you hurt your self, junior.
I don't doubt it, you don't call some one a pro if they're not good. But take 400hp Silvia and pit it against a GT300 class Silvia and see who crosses the finish line first in an actual race.

I've never drifted my car nor have I ever tried. From the first RX-7 to the current I was interested in GRIP, not SLIP.

Good

TT_Rotary

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and putting neon lights on our bike isnt? by the way, how much horsepower do those lights add??

BASTARD

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I want to share

TT_Rotary

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dial8 is pissed off b/c a drift car has better acceleration and more power than his drag car.. so sad.. CRY!!

speed rII

If 30+ is junior in your book, then ok. My car is driven only on track, full rollgage and built for racing/drifting.
We have had the problem here in Finland, how to convince every body that drifting does not mean fwd civic burning rubber on parking lot.
I think we have accompliced that here.

You should try or get ride with some one who can drift good, then make the "disision"(sorry my spelling) if you like it on not.
Any way some like doughter andsome mother, cant win all

phoenix7

lol. The point is that you can be a PRO drifter and you can still crash. I've drifted ( a couple of times on purpose and SEVERAL times when i lost the rear end in the wet). It's not worth the risk IMO.

I dislike drifting because it puts my work in an unnecessary risk. I hate the little ricer drifter wannabes because they rarely go to the track and put ME and MY CAR in unnecessary danger when I'm taking a nice scenic road.

The whole point of my posts is to show that just because there are a few people on here that like to drift does not mean that every single RX7 is a drift car and not every single thread on this forum will be about awesome mad-tyte dorifto-ness.

if you do it on the track? great for you, you just took a bunch of negative variables out of the equation.

If you drift on the street roads then you're an idiot.

Either way one mistake can cost you thousands in damages and maybe even your life.

Movie line of the year: "drifting? You pull the ebrake and you step on the gas before a corner." -F&F tokyo drift. stuppidest movie with the best sounding rotary that just happened to blow up!!

speed rII

I never thought that i or my freinds could never crash.
I have modified my rear pumper twice with steelrailigs at my track.
But it doesent mean that any other motor racing is safe and you never crash in rally, F1, indy or nashcar.
And as i mentioned i only drift on track.

You are right about drifting in roads, thats why i drive boring safe fwd Volvo

I'w seen many 7:s in this site that i would not drift, those are much too good looking to take the risk.
Nor i newer mentioned that all rx-7:s are drift car, my car had to be modified a lot.
To make it drift better.
It's not the best car to start but when you get it right, it's lot's of fun and go where you want.

The safety issue is true, my car is built to take quite a hit, like i said full gage, racing seats, 6 point harnes etc.

And i'w been doing this before i saw that stupid movie...

darkblaze

drifting is not Just pull the e-brake and hit the gas!!! it easy to get ANY car sideways, but it takes A LOT OF SKILL TO KEEP IT THERE!! I hate any form of street racing period. i was almost killed by a street racer. I drift and drag race at the track. Pir and firebird raceway. I drift in order to have more control over my 7 in the event of an accident. and you dont need a lot of power to drift at all its a myth, my friend ian showed me you can drift anything. By drifting in his works parking lot w/permission from his boss, with a ******* egg geo metro. you dont need power to drift u just need the skill and ability to do it. and if you were to look up the history of drifting it started in japan about 40YRS AGO BE4 F&F Tokyo drift by Keiichi Tsuchiya as Unorthodx Track driving in the JGTC. you are right drifting is not a sport its more of an art.To be able to make a car dance on asphalt takes more skill and cordination then ANY MOTOR SPORT out there. also Ralli drivers use drifting to get a faster time so dont say they will go SLOWER THEN YOU AROUND A CORNER THEY DONT. drifting around a corner IS faster then grip driving if you have THE SKILL. drag racing is nothing more then a straight line, Nascar is a left circle at 200mph the only types of racing i watch are Indy, Rally, Gran touring, JGTC, Cart. there is a chance to crash as in all sports but there are safety rules that apply and that you have to go by. most people who think drifting is not good are people who are AFRAID to get there cars sideways, and when they do they get even more scared and under correct or over correct. if you drift and practice at the track you would know how to get out of it wouldn't you? drifting is a big help in street driving. its stupid to crit somthing you dont know anything about. i think there should be a sub forum so the people who do drift legally can get together and give one another tips specs and just hang out is that hard to ask???

phoenix7

lol. Your post gave me a headache. I agree about learning to control your car in the event of an emergency maneuver (in the event of an accident means you've already crashed and drifting won't help you.) so you can stay in control. That's understandable. But why would you need to learn how to chain 10-20 second drifts as an emergency maneuver? In reality you only need to learn the dynamics of YOUR car so you can safely get yourself out of a fishtail or out of an IDIOT-INDUCED-oversteer.

Drifting started when kids were trying to grip race up and down a hill and eventually pushed the grip limits then some dolthead said: "hey, this is fun" and the "sport" was born. Am I saying tsuchiya is any less of a professional driver? no, but he is a professional race car driver that happens to also drift. Not the other way around.

Rally drivers don't usually race on asphalt (which means less traction) and the turns they are taking while DRIFTING are usually hairpins that require a low gear/longer stopping distances. Now SOME of the hardcore racers decide to take the risk and DRIFT a turn rather than shift into first and risk damaging the tranny/clutch but as I'm sure you've seen not all racers are able to drift right and that 1/10th of a second potential gain cost them the entire race. SO you're talking about peedskating and comparing it to ballet now.

I don't know what you're trying to get across by saying that those who don't like drifting are afraid but the reality is that those who tend to have that fearless/i'm invincible attitudes tend to be the most reckless and dangerous drivers. Show me a man without fear and I'll see a fool.

"drifting is a big help when street driving" really I won't even touch that one!

So according to YOU if I don't like drifting then I am afraid to get my car sideways therefore I don't know what i'm talking about? So by that way of thinking; since YOU like it, then YOU are a fearless-*****-of-steel-professional drifter that knows everything about the subject. I highly doubt that's the case but please humor me and tell me how you prepare your car before each race and what setups you have tried and found to be the best for getting sidewayz.

I think there should be a drifting subforum so the majority of ricer noobs searching for dorifto info are kept out of the technical sections and then the track drifters can keep them in check rather than having them pollute the other parts of the forum.

P.S. you're a towel.

Roen

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https://www.rx7club.com/race-car-tech-103/heel-toe-necessary-rotary-405075/page3/

Read my posts on the history of drifting, and when to use and not use drift.

I drift my car. Do I fool myself to think it's the faster way around a corner nowadays? No. Do I think it's a waste of rubber? Yes. Do I think it's fun? Yes.

In all honesty, I would rather save my rubber for wheel-to-wheel or even just lapping days.

Umm......that's just blatantly untrue. When you actually get wheel-to-wheel with someone and attempt to pass him while protecting your place from someone else trying to divebomb you as you're running out of grip from your tires.....then talk to me about skill and coordination. Seriously, there are many ways to induce a drift, I prefer weight-shifting my car a variety of ways to get the rear out. However, once you learn how to sustain a drift, and pivot for the next one, it's just the same thing over and over and over again.

Now, working on a zero-countersteer drift and trying to do it fast? That's fun....and takes some ***** too. I still haven't been able to get it.