Well I'm putting in a roll bar in the FC. Anybody have recommendations.

CSC Racing quoted me on a price. But below is a few companys. I would like one that does not effect the streetabilty and one that will look clean and generally not to noticeable. I know, I'm asking alot So any info?

Still haven't decided on bolt in or weld in. I know the bolt in will look cleaner in the end.


http://www.kirkracing.com/index.cfm?...&CategoryID=30

$350us for the 4-point

http://www.autopowerindustries.com/Price_List.htm

thanks,

 

I saw an Autopower bolt-in one in the forsale section. Maybe you could save a coupla bucks.

EDIT: eh, it actually a cage...here's the linky anyway.

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=492728

 

Ian, I purchased the Kirk bolt-in cage for my race car back in 1997. The quality was very good, the fit was fine and Kirk did everything they said they would. I do have 2 points of caution for you. First when looking at the price make sure that you include shipping and customs/brokerage costs. When I included those costs the price of the cage was almost double the purchase price. Secondly the fit of the cage left a bit of fiddly work at the end. The front down legs (just behind the driver and passenger seats) really, really wanted to fit in on top of the steel body plug holes in the unibody. Also, if you are buying the 6 point (which you should for safety and increased stiffness) be very careful with the fitment of the tube that runs by the drivers head. On my car we had to shift the whole cage about 1 inch to the drivers side to provide clearance for my head. Since then we have added a ton of bracing and fully welded in the cage, but the basis is the Kirk Cage.

With the CSC cages, the take home costs may turn out to be cheaper. They have a good reputation for quality cages, but again they do have some issues with fitment and interior trim cutting.

You may want to contact Ron O'Brien Racing. He is based just north of Toronto and has a very good reputation for building cages, does great quality work and each cage is a custom fit. If I had to have a cage built and installed I would use him. Only issue is that everyone else who races around here thinks this as well and he is very, very, very busy.

Just my opinion from someone who has been there and has the shirt (actually a bunch of them).

Eric

 

Thanks al,

I can't find a number for this Ron O'Brien Motorsports but I did see some pictures.
I am now leaning on getting built locally rather then purchasing it from the states. The 6-point cage would be nice but rather crazy for a street car

 

1ST 23 Racer is Eric! 01Racing is me (Al) . I have a street cage in my Mustang, and a race cage in my RX-7. CSC cages are not great, they are okay for race cars in my opinion but not street. Bolt in cages do not usually fit well at all.
SPEND THE MONEY AND GET A PROPERLY BUILT CUSTOM FIT CAGE!
I have an O'Brien cage in my race car and it is awesome! It clears everything, entry into the car is easy and the workmanship is second to none. If you cant get Ron to do your cage find another custom builder and make sure you see 2-3 of his cages before you commit to anything!

 

Funny how often my signature is overlooked... lol

 

Al, take three deep breaths..... no let them out slowly. I can understand Ian's confusion. We both have white RX's and have Scarboro Mazda on the hood. Yours is prettier though.

 

lol.

Sorry. I've done this a few times already. I'm sure I called Al Eric before etc.

Anyhow found his number. I will give O-brien a call

Thanks guys,


Also I need a complete alignment. I have the whole subframe, rear diff, etc etc and will be replacing all bushings and links, ball joints etc etc. Anybody know of a good place for this?

 

Yes Ian!! your on the right track by taking it to Ronny O'brien....he does very good work!!

 

Well I've talked to O'brien Motorsports. Might have the car shipped up to him in march. Nice guy and took the time to talk to me and understood what I was looking for. Getting back to me with a quote.

Both CSC and O'brien took the time to talk to me.

 

Ron bought last years winter beater off me....my 93 Subaru.
He turned it into a lean mean ice racin' machine!! A week after I dropped the car off to him, he had it on the body rotisary all stripped down with a full cage....I didn't even recognize it !!

 

Ian, so are you getting a cage or a roll bar?

Remember to make sure you study the CASC rule book closely to figure out tubing diameter size and wall thickness. Also, I believe ERW tubing is no long allowed fo competition use. Meaning u will have to go with DOM or Seemless (big bucks)

Since you are having a custom one made, have you though about going SAE 4130 chromoloy? material wise it's about 10 to 20% more, but the weight savings is a lot over mild steel.

 

Couple of questions:
1. Does putting in a cage make your vehicle illegal to drive on the street?
2. Doesn't putting in a cage get rid of any pretext of the vehicle being stock by an insurance company's perspective?
3. Jason - Can you give a rough idea of cost?

 

Roll bar. 4 or more point. What ever is recommended by the builder. Leaving it open in case I do more then solo 1 in the future. My bet is all that I will ever do is solo 1 and open track days. Or eventually vintage racing.

I will give the casc rule book to the builder. He can figure it out I noticed that most roll cages/bars do not meet there standards. I am also considering chromoloy since might as well get it done right the first time.

Let me know what else you might find out cheers regarding other roll bars. Your not getting a full cage are you?

 

1: Nope
2: I assume so but hey its safer! What more could they want?
3: I was looking cheapest $700 to $1500++++++++++++

So what are your plans this coming summer? Maybe pending on money or if I don't have enought track time I could hit it up on the open track day again with you?

 

thats why you buy the car insure it and then do all the mods, and never take the coverage off, then for a while you get away with having a modified one but paying for a stock one. If it works, not 100% sure, or just not tell them about the "Mods"


Prôdigy

 

When fabricating cages I always asked the owner for a copy of the rule book/s for the series they intend to enter. There are often many similarities between how cages are fundementally designed or dictated by the rules but slight variables beyond them can be dramatically different. I have people PM me and say how much for an 8-point or 12-point. There isn't a simple answer. It comes down to the chassis, condition of the chassis, type of material selected/necessary, amount of material, amount of labour including any CAD work, special fabrication/labour including through firewalls to strut towers or through floors to frame attachment points, raw delivery or welds fully cleaned, etc. etc. etc. It's best to over-do it a fraction and use a career cage builder because the inspection/scrutineering process can be infinite. In SPEED World Challenge when we do annual techs on existing and new cars we use dental mirrors to check 360 degrees of each mating point and their welds. Your life depends on your cage no matter what level of motorsport you are entering so have it done right. On the price end I'd say $1000 is very conservative for six points done immaculately and you will often select to have a few more options. It all comes down to what you want and need. If you balk at the estimate of some excellent cage work then turn around and run because you will forever be spending money on this sport if you choose to clear this hurdle.

 

CSC Racing
125A Harry Walker Pkwy
Newmarket, ON
Phone: (905) 954-0520
Contact: Ralph or Jennifer

The Chassis Shop
265 5th Concession
Ajax, Ont.
L1S 1S7
Eddy Bryck
905 619 1380

Mantis Racing
1029 Speers Road
Oakville, ON
Phone: (905) 844-6219
Contact: Ernie

O'Brien Motorsports
Steeles and 410 area
Phone: (416) 604-0477
Fax: (416) 604-1959
Contact: Ronnie

http://www.fourstarmotorsports.com/C...ta/Home_35.htm

Raven performance...(905)477-1800 John Dimoff (bmw guys.. but they do race type stuff)

 

I have no immediate plans to compete, the next summer I hope to do a bunch of track days to build up some experience. I'm no where close to the point of being able to compete. I don't seem to have the much of the inate self preservation instinct so I think a cage would be a good idea.

Right now I'm pretty sure I can get away with being "stock" enough. Keep in mind that in the event of a street accident if it's determined that you're not stock, you insurance company doesn't have to cover you.

Jason, how does chasis condition effect cage design? (rust?!?) I don't fit well in my car so one of the main considerations would be making the car safe for me. At the moment if I was to roll over I'm dead, plain and simple. Is is that complicated to make something that would be legal for any realisitically regulations that I might drive under in the future?

 

By chassis condition I mean the level of prep upon arrival at the shop as in whether or not the interior has been removed and the amount of consideration given to attachment points. A car can arrive after being acid dipped or it can arrive as a street-ready roller. As for fitting in a car competition seats offer many mounting options and in your case perhaps having it attached flush/directly to a reinforced floor would be a good consideration. Rust is hopefully not a concern but is something that occasionally has to be addressed. But if it is a to a point of penetration in areas then the structural rigidity has been compromised and this needs to be examined/scrutinized.

 

Since insurance law varies province to province, I can't say for sure what your situation is in Ontario, but here in Alberta a cage makes your car uninsurable if your company knows about it. Not illegal for the street mind you, but uninsurable. In fact, the way insurance law is written here any sort of participation in legal, organized off-street motor sports can allow insurance companies to deny you coverage, regardless of whether you drive your track/race car on the street. Nice system, effectively makes a legal sport illegal, and everyone who races into liars with their insurance companies. But if you get into a wreck street racing, you're covered, and can even get insurance again through what's called the high risk pool! (although your original company would no doubt cancel your coverage).
More relevantly perhaps, there can be some legitimate reasons for insurance companies not liking cages in street cars - depending on the cage/roll bar, unhelmeted heads and cages can be a distinctly unfriendly combination.