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Old 11-03-09, 12:39 PM
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RHD Banned in Quebec

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http://www.dose.ca/news/story.html?id=2150517

QUEBEC - Provincial Transport Minister Julie Boulet banned right-hand-drive vehicles from Quebec roads Monday.

Audrey Chaput, spokesperson for the Societe d'assurance automobile du Quebec, said the insurance board, which is also responsible for highway safety, called for the ban because of an estimated 30-per-cent higher risk of accident with right-hand-drive vehicles.

Used Japanese domestic market cars enter Canada under a loophole allowing vehicles 15 years old and older into the country without inspection.

They are attractive to young drivers because they are cheap, have no rust, low mileage and offer higher performance than comparable models on the Canadian market, Chaput said.

"Young drivers can buy a high-performance car for less," she said.

But Wias Ilyasi, of JDM Nagoya Direct Import in Montreal, a company importing high-performance used cars from Japan, said he was not aware of the ban.

"We have 10 cars in our warehouse. (Now) we can't sell them."

Ilyasi said he doesn't accept the claim that right-hand-drive cars are more accident-prone.

"It's just a pretext to help the small street-corner dealers."

There are exceptions to the new rule for vehicles registered in Quebec before April 29 and for vehicles registered outside Quebec.

Vehicles built 25 years before they were imported into Canada are not affected.

Trucks, snowblowers and vehicles making frequent stops, such as rural mail-delivery vehicles, and utility vehicles are also exempted.

The ministerial decree extends to K Trucks. The small Japanese delivery trucks will be allowed, but not on highways where the speed limit exceeds 70 kilometres per hour and will be registered with "C" licence plates.



I own a rhd rx7. If anything, it's made me a more cautious driver because of it.

I've read a few articles about the ban, none of them cite who did the study to come up with the "an estimated 30-per-cent higher risk of accident" that this ban is based on.

Does it take into account who's at fault in these accidents? I've noticed people become worse drivers around me when driving my rx7. Whether they're looking at the car so they're not paying attention to showing off around me etc.

Is this just an excuse being used by the Transport Minister to look good in the press? Not too many people own rhd vehicles (compared to lhd), so not too many people will get upset about it.

I hope this doesn't carry over to other provinces. I would like the option to import another rhd vehicle in the future.
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I too have a RHD rx7. I find it completely different to drive the car and takes far more concentration to drive it compared to a LHD. Because it does take more thought I can see how someone would see it more difficult. Left hand turns can be tricky when sitting at a light. Today on the way home I was driving my LHD car and needed to pass the truck in front of me ( a single lane road ). It involved me looking out to see if there was on coming traffic. This would have been impossible to do in my RX7.

Having said that I love the car. In my opinion it is unique, and garners more attention. People who know RX7's will come over to see the car. People who see that it is a RHD come over to ask questions. Even if this car was the same value as a LHD car I still would have purchased mine because of the uniqueness.
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I understand the point you trying to state but this ban is targeting something specific, RHD street tuners.

IMHO, generally speaking, we rx7 owners (doesn't matter which gen) are generally more caution than any other import owners because of the fact that we know better than anyone else getting any kind of damage on our cars doesn't matter where will cost us much more to repair comparing due to the much high price in parts and shortage of supplies.


But if you comparing the amount of RHD rx7 vs all RHD exist in Quebec or even across Canada, rx7 are in low numbers. And take a look those R32, 300ZX, Silvias, eg SiR ,sw20 mr2, etc... (nothing against those cars just pointing out some of the most imported ones). I have seen countless of these RHD on the streets and they drive like nuts and much more dangerous compare to the LHD ones, and alot of times I really do worry that they will make a wrong move and get me caught in an accident.


The government should enforce some kind of drivers test to qualify rather someone should be allowed to register a RHD or not.
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I too wonder about the source of the 30% statistic - and whether it is adjusted for other risk factors - ie., young male drivers. Because RHD's generally seem to be driven by young, stupid males. I don't see many RX-7s, but I do see R32 Skylines almost daily along with other RHDs, and the Skylines seem to be overwhelmingly driven aggressively and dangerously on a routine basis. But those aggressive and stupid young male drivers would likely be driving just as foolishly and aggressively if they were driving 15-20 year old Mustangs, which are another popular choice for them to wreck in; regression analysis would allow controlling for age and gender of drivers as a factor in accident rates between rhd and lhd vehicles, but I suspect the 30% statistic is just raw data - rhd's may be involved in 30% more accidents, but likely about the same controlling for age and gender of the drivers.
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I read other sources and it seems there putting another 180 day ban. They still havent 100% aproved the ban.

But if they do I think everyone in quebec with RHD will get screwed as the law will take the cars of the road legally ( menaing you can drive them no matter what , no grandfather law etc ).

Right now what is still banned is the safety ( dont by ministry ) of RHD ) if its already safetied and registered you can still buy sell it. [but well see what the future holds]


If they do a full ban I think what happens in dominan repulibc will become popular, They convert most cars to LHD, most peole buy Silvias and hondas so that will be easy.
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sucks to be quebec. That's really unfortunate. I heard about the 180 day ban but if they've made it permanant now then that's really sad
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Originally Posted by Terrh
sucks to be quebec. That's really unfortunate. I heard about the 180 day ban but if they've made it permanant now then that's really sad
Oh contraire......if this is true then it's a great day. Hopefully the rest of the country sees the light and makes the same move.
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This is lame as hell.
Lots of rumors about it happening in Ontario too.
Better register the Levin...
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lol if thier that worried about the safety of it, they could do what i've done. especially for left hand turns and passing on the highway. i installed a back-up camera of sorts in my left mirror and hooked it into my in dash dvd player it allows me to see stuff alot better while im turning/passing. though you have to be careful not to rely on it to much or it could cause you problems.
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Originally Posted by soloracer951
Oh contraire......if this is true then it's a great day. Hopefully the rest of the country sees the light and makes the same move.
I'd love to hear your reasoning behind why you feel that it's good that quebec has banned all the amazing Japanese, Australian and British cars we have available to import now. And the even more amazing ones that will soon be eligible.
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Originally Posted by Terrh
I'd love to hear your reasoning behind why you feel that it's good that quebec has banned all the amazing Japanese, Australian and British cars we have available to import now. And the even more amazing ones that will soon be eligible.
Because its a safety hazard....PERIOD! I love all cars (inc ur new cosmo), and appreciate looking at them at our meets and other major car shows. BUT.... i dont care what anyone says or their opinion....there is no doubt in my mind, that driving a car that is produced opposite to what the rest of our country drives is dangerous. Car shows are the only place for them, not on public roads!

I know people that own them will always argue...blah blah that driving their car is easy and no different blah blah. There is a reason that quebec is doing this, if it was safe they wouldnt care about them. Stop arguing the facts and face reality. This is my opinion, and a pretty valid one too!
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Originally Posted by Mazdabation
Because its a safety hazard....PERIOD! I love all cars (inc ur new cosmo), and appreciate looking at them at our meets and other major car shows. BUT.... i dont care what anyone says or their opinion....there is no doubt in my mind, that driving a car that is produced opposite to what the rest of our country drives is dangerous. Car shows are the only place for them, not on public roads!

I know people that own them will always argue...blah blah that driving their car is easy and no different blah blah. There is a reason that quebec is doing this, if it was safe they wouldnt care about them. Stop arguing the facts and face reality. This is my opinion, and a pretty valid one too!
Have you driven a RHD car for any significant length of time? Just wondering how you came to your opinion.
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Originally Posted by Double_J
Have you driven a RHD car for any significant length of time? Just wondering how you came to your opinion.
Same question that RHD owners always resort too..... i never said driving one was hard. Its the question of having other drivers approaching in the opposite direction.

I have had the chance to drive a RHD skyline (friends) but i said no. i didnt not want to chnce it. Even he says himself that its not the safest.

Again this is`not a bash on anyones car, im just looking at it from a family mans perspective on city streets
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i love rhd and driving through drive throughs...i feel more comfortable driving lhd daily since the left turn's are easier and i dont have to "wait" extended periods of time to turn with a car in front of me making sure it is safe to turn
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Originally Posted by Terrh
I'd love to hear your reasoning behind why you feel that it's good that quebec has banned all the amazing Japanese, Australian and British cars we have available to import now. And the even more amazing ones that will soon be eligible.
Move the steering wheel onto the left side of the car and I have no problem with them being imported. Dubai, for example, allows them in if they make the conversion. Only the extremely mentally challenged would think that driving on the wrong side of the car is correct for our road system. What is the point of having airbags, crumple zones, minimum bumper standards, etc. if the design is flawed from the get go? The reason they were allowed before is that the numbers of them being brought in were minimal and they were only being taken to car shows, etc. The recent JDM craze has meant that there are now a ton of these scrap heaps on the road mostly being driven by young, inexperienced drivers. On top of that, they typically are turbocharged and making more power than your average 1973 MGB. Hate to say it but the JDM guys trying to save a buck have ruined it for the legitimate collector. And make no mistake, the only reason guys are buying RHD RX7's, etc. is because they are cheap. Hell I saw someone driving a RHD Miata the other day. How f'ing retarded is that? If you are too cheap to spend the extra $500 to buy a LHD 15 year old Miata you should take the bus. All cars should be converted to meet Canadian standards or not be allowed on the road.

As for the video camera solution, that is just laughable. Next thing you will do is paint your windows black and reason that it's ok to drive like that as long as you put cameras outside the car.

I have no issue with a JDM Skyline or RX7 being imported - just put the damn wheel on the left, convert the rest of the car to meet Canadian standards (ie: headlights pointing the correct way, etc.) and enjoy. But the main reason you guys won't do that is the COST and being cheap isn't a good enough reason to allow this stuff on the road. I would love an R32/33/34 Skyline but if I get one it will be converted to LHD.
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^^Canadian standards DO allow for RHD drive vehicles - it is by custom we drive on the left side of the car, not by law. I wonder if Quebec is also outlawing the RHD garbage trucks and Canada Post vans? If RHD is genuinely a cause of accidents, then that would seem reasonable and fair. I actually doubt that is the case, however, and suspect rather that the Quebec government is giving in to auto dealer lobbyists who feel the JDM's cut into their sales and pricing, which both new and used is seriously inflated in Canada relative to prices in the States.

I'm not a JDM fan, but I don't have a problem with them, either - I think they make a great source of parts, if nothing else, and some genuinely cool and otherwise rare cars get here that way. Although I've seen RHD Miata's too, and wonder why on earth anyone feels the need to import a JDM rhd car that is cheaply and abundantly available here.

I'm curious if Quebec (or BC, or Transport Canada, which are also looking at the 15 year rule and RHD imports) actually have any numbers supporting that RHD's are more likely to be involved in accidents? Especially after controlling for the fact that so many are high performance cars in the hands young drivers? I suspect it's entirely likely if they are more likely to be involved in accidents, it's probably much more, if not entirely related to the bias towards young, male drivers in (relatively) powerful RHD's, than to the driver's position in the car causing left turn and passing accidents.

It wouldn't surprise me if accident rates in RHD's generally probably closely match old crapbox 4cyl Mustangs, for example, a car that despite it's miserable performance, often turns up wrapped around tree's and bridge abutments in the hands of young drivers who think the Mustang name makes the car, and them, the "shiz".

I do know that in BC, auto dealer lobbyists have been the ones to raise the RHD issue to government, so I'm immediately suspicious of the motives and "facts" being used to support such moves. And like JDM's or not, I have trouble abiding government manipulation of auto markets generally, and in favour of dealers particularly, who already enjoy relatively limited competition in most of this country.
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Just for those ontarions who are close to montreal, Theres GREAT deals right now on RHD .

Everything is going dirt cheap, went there this weekend to check it out and a freind picked up a NA MKIV for $ 5000 car was mint also.

I wanted him to pick up a T78 FD for $ 6k but he doesnt want to touch the rotaries unfortunatly .

Anyways just passing on the info,
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Solo, I definitely agree that a lot of the JDM cars being bought are so younger guys can get a fast car on the cheap, but I'm still with rx7racer on this one. The problem is that you can't fix stupid. Banning rhd certainly won't. I've seen crazy *** driving from kids with fart can LHD civics to LHD diesel trucks pull all kinds of dangerous crap on the roads. Bad drivers are not limited to RHD cars.

Someone else mentioned that Quebec woudn't be doing this if rhd was safe. Do you really think that everything the goverment does is motivated by pure and loving intensions? Canada is the second largest exporter of asbestos, next to Russia. Yeah you know, asbestos; that stuff that kills you if you breathe it? Guess where most of the asbestos mines are? QUEBEC. We sell it to India and China mostly. It's okay for us to sell something that is guaranteed to kill people, yet rhd is being targeted? Take a wild guess why; Quebec has the federal gov't by the *****. No Prime Minister wants to be responsible for Quebec separating, not because they would feel bad, but they would look bad. You can kill industry in any province or territory except Quebec. Banning RHD is a political move. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/...os-safety.html

I have a RHD FC vert. I bought it because it is special, not because it was cheap. It was imported privately, not an auction vehicle. It came turbo from the factory, but more notably has a real re-amemiya body, with early version front bumper/headlights, rear bumper, wider front fenders and molded wide-fenders rear which I could not get here. It has parts on it you can't get anymore. Sure, once in a while I'll see a JDM FC that looks to be in crap condition, obviously an auction vehicle and not driven particularly well. It does cast a bad light on JDM FC's and that doesn't sit well with me. I admit I have thought about converting it to LHD ever since I bought it and in the future, I probably will. But for now, I drive it in the summer with the top down. I don't have ANY blind spots. Sure I have more horsepower than a 73 MG, but I actually have crumple zones, a ribbed and reinforced body and brakes that are superior. You get hit in a parking lot in an MG and you have a 50% chance of dying, lol.

Not all RHD owners are cheap, irresponsible, punk-*** kids.
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Sorry for the french .PDF but they didn't make it in English (or it's not on the SAAQ website) but this is the full study by the SAAQ on the ''30% more risk'' of the RHD cars
http://www.saaq.gouv.qc.ca/publicati...ant_droite.pdf
Arrêté ministériel du 26 octobre 2009

Arrêté numéro 2009-15 de la ministre des Transports en date du 22 octobre 2009

Code de la sécurité routière
(L.R.Q., c. C-24.2)

CONCERNANT l’accès aux chemins publics des véhicules munis d’un poste de conduite à droite

LA MINISTRE DES TRANSPORTS,

VU le premier alinéa de l’article 633.1 du Code de la sécurité routière (L.R.Q., c. C-24.2), suivant lequel le ministre des Transports peut, par arrêté, après consultation
de la Société de l’assurance automobile du Québec, restreindre ou interdire, pour une durée maximale de 180 jours, l’accès aux chemins publics à tout modèle ou à toute catégorie de véhicule qui constitue un risque pour la sécurité des personnes ou des biens;

VU le premier alinéa de cet article qui prévoit le droit pour tout intéressé de transmettre des commentaires à la personne désignée à l’arrêté dans les 90 jours de sa publication à la Gazette officielle du Québec;

VU le premier alinéa de cet article suivant lequel le ministre peut par arrêté, à l’expiration des 180 jours, rendre la restriction ou l’interdiction permanente;

VU le premier alinéa de cet article suivant lequel une restriction ou une interdiction édictée en vertu de cet alinéa entre en vigueur à la date de la publication de l’arrêté à la Gazette officielle du Québec;

VU le quatrième alinéa de cet article qui prévoit que l’obligation de publication prévue à l’article 8 de la Loi sur les règlements (L.R.Q., c. R-18.1) ne s’applique pas à un arrêté pris en vertu de cet article;

VU qu’il appert, après consultation de la Société, qu’il est opportun d’interdire ou de restreindre, pour une durée de 180 jours, l’accès aux chemins publics à certains véhicules munis d’un poste de conduite à droite parce qu’ils constituent un risque pour la sécurité des personnes ou des biens;

CONSIDÉRANT QU’il y a lieu d’interdire ou de restreindre, pour une durée de 180 jours, l’accès aux chemins publics aux véhicules munis d’un poste de conduite à droite pour les motifs invoqués par la Société;

ARRÊTE CE QUI SUIT :

1. L’accès aux chemins publics est interdit aux véhicules routiers munis d’un poste de conduite à droite à l’exception :

1° des véhicules immatriculés au Québec avant le 29 avril 2009;

2° des véhicules immatriculés à l’extérieur du Québec;

3° des véhicules fabriqués 25 ans et plus avant la date de leur importation au Canada;

4° des camions, des souffleuses à neige et des véhicules de transport d’équipement au sens du Règlement sur l’immatriculation des véhicules routiers édicté par le décret 1420-91 du 16 octobre 1991;

5° des véhicules appelés à faire des arrêts répétitifs le long d’un chemin dans le cadre d’un travail visant un service public;

6° des véhicules-outils;

7° des véhicules routiers appartenant à une école de conduite ou à un établissement qui est titulaire d’un permis pour l’enseignement de la conduite de camions lourds délivré en vertu de l’article 10 de la Loi sur l’enseignement privé (L.R.Q., c. E-9.1).

2. Les véhicules légers immatriculés avant le 29 avril 2009, en usage sur les chemins publics, doivent :

1° être immatriculés comme véhicule de promenade à circulation restreinte;

2° être munis d’une plaque d’immatriculation portant le préfixe « C » conformément à l’article 124 du Règlement sur l’immatriculation des véhicules routiers, édicté par le décret numéro 1420-91 du 16 octobre 1991.

Pour l’application du présent arrêté, on entend par « véhicule léger » un véhicule routier muni d’un poste de conduite à droite, autre qu’un véhicule à deux roues, qui satisfait aux exigences suivantes lors de sa vente au premier usager :

1° une longueur de 3,4 mètres ou moins;

2° une largeur de 1,48 mètre ou moins;

3° une hauteur de 2,0 mètres ou moins;

4° un moteur d’une cylindrée de 660 cm3 ou moins;

5° un moteur d’une puissance de 47,7 kW ou moins.

3. Nul ne peut conduire un véhicule léger sur un chemin public sur lequel la vitesse maximale permise est de plus de 70 km/h.

4. Les véhicules routiers immatriculés avant le 29 avril 2009, au moyen d’un certificat d’immatriculation temporaire ou d’une plaque d’immatriculation amovible, ne peuvent se prévaloir de l’exception prévue au paragraphe 1° de l’article 1.

5. Le propriétaire d’un véhicule léger qui contrevient à l’article 2 commet une infraction et est passible d’une amende de 300 $ à 360 $.

6. Quiconque contrevient à l’article 3 commet une infraction et est passible d’une amende de 300 $ à 360 $.

7. Tout intéressé peut transmettre ses commentaires portant sur le présent arrêté avant le24 janvier 2010, à monsieur Mark Baril, Société de l’assurance automobile du Québec, 333, boulevard Jean-Lesage, C-4-21, C. P. 19600, Québec (Québec) G1K 8J6, courriel Mark.Baril@saaq.gouv.qc.ca

8. Le présent arrêté entre en vigueur le 26 octobre 2009 à l’exception des articles 2, 3, 5 et 6 qui entreront en vigueur le 27 décembre 2009. Il est abrogé le24 avril 2010.

La ministre des Transports,
JULIE BOULET
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