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Old 10-11-08 | 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Archangels
i had an amazing experience at lightspeed today with cam tuning my car, the guy is very knowledgable and has many toys, i especially liked the knock box he used....

final result was 343whp and 288lbtq @ 12psi on a BNR3 and large street port running a conservative 10.8:1 AFR....

great experience, was reasonably priced and the results left me quite happy....
Why only 12 psi on BNR's? They're best at 14+ PSi. Depending on the fuel available you can go to 15-17 PSi if your fuel system supports it (and the rest of your car). 550/1300cc would be enough to max pump fuel. At 12 PSi, I think 10.8 AFR is too rich. You won't blow up though that's for sure (assuming nothing else goes wrong).

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Old 10-11-08 | 08:26 AM
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^^good to hear, glad to see someone give the guy some props instead of the typical slander the local rotary builders/tuners seem to get around here. what are the specs on your turbo? this is on an fc right?
it's an S5 FC with a hybrid BNR3 turbo....
Old 10-11-08 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by thewird
Why only 12 psi on BNR's? They're best at 14+ PSi. Depending on the fuel available you can go to 15-17 PSi if your fuel system supports it (and the rest of your car). 550/1300cc would be enough to max pump fuel. At 12 PSi, I think 10.8 AFR is too rich. You won't blow up though that's for sure (assuming nothing else goes wrong).

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he said at 12psi it would be more then enough, and it would be very reliable, and i agreed, it's a fun car to say the least and the power come's on very smooth....

the only concern i have is that coasting on the highway the timing is around 37degree's advanced, but the second any throttle is given more then light flat-line cruising it drops to 20~, and further depending on throttle....
Old 10-11-08 | 11:17 AM
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Anthony, great to hear about your results!!! Looks like a turbo swap is gonna be a must for me now!
Old 10-11-08 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Archangels
i had an amazing experience at lightspeed today with cam tuning my car, the guy is very knowledgable and has many toys, i especially liked the knock box he used....

final result was 343whp and 288lbtq @ 12psi on a BNR3 and large street port running a conservative 10.8:1 AFR....

great experience, was reasonably priced and the results left me quite happy....
Sounds decent for the boost levels. Should be a fun car to drive. The AFR is a bit rich though. The biggest concern is going to be the longevity of your seals. There is a fair bit of info on the forums about them warping, etc. Any plans to track the car next summer?
Old 10-11-08 | 12:59 PM
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Anthony, great to hear about your results!!! Looks like a turbo swap is gonna be a must for me now!
No offense, but why are you thinking of turbo now? If I recall some have advised you to ditch the supercharger and go turbo for a long time as it would make more power and be much cheaper. Your response always was that you were a supercharger kind of guy, didn't want lag, yadda, yadda, yadda. So why are you changing your tune only now? Surely one car recently making 300+ rwhp isn't all it took. Are you finally admitting that the supercharger route on a rotary was the wrong way to go?
Old 10-11-08 | 02:14 PM
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Archangels: When you get a chance throw up the dyno sheet. It would be nice to see the power curve.
Old 10-11-08 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Archangels
he said at 12psi it would be more then enough, and it would be very reliable, and i agreed, it's a fun car to say the least and the power come's on very smooth....

the only concern i have is that coasting on the highway the timing is around 37degree's advanced, but the second any throttle is given more then light flat-line cruising it drops to 20~, and further depending on throttle....
37 leading is fine for vacuum cruising. I actually go higher at higher RPM, 40-50 leading.

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Old 10-11-08 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by soloracer951
No offense, but why are you thinking of turbo now? If I recall some have advised you to ditch the supercharger and go turbo for a long time as it would make more power and be much cheaper. Your response always was that you were a supercharger kind of guy, didn't want lag, yadda, yadda, yadda. So why are you changing your tune only now? Surely one car recently making 300+ rwhp isn't all it took. Are you finally admitting that the supercharger route on a rotary was the wrong way to go?
If you check my post history you'll see I conceded that turbo is the way to go long ago. Do I still like the charger, yep. Would I recommend the charger, for a daily driver with no racing aspirations, yep. The thing holding me back is that I am already committed to the camden at this point. I look forward to picking up a standalone when the budget can afford it (or when a deal too good to be true comes along) and then an appropriate turbo as well.
Old 10-11-08 | 07:54 PM
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I must add, would I recommend the camden for a daily driver, i said "yes", but only if you can pick one up for a deal. If paying full price, I'd recommend a good standalone and a basic turbo (which could be upgraded later) and start learning to tune......
Old 10-12-08 | 12:59 PM
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I tend to agree that the Camden setup is a wonderful daily driver setup in a first gen. It doesn't have the 'thrust' or 'pull' my car has, but its a hell of alot smoother to drive. The instant tourque and boost is only something I could wish for.
Old 10-14-08 | 12:51 AM
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i neglected this thread for a few days now, i've been having some issues with the car itself.... i'm expecting the worse at the moment unfortunately....

https://www.rx7club.com/power-fc-forum-47/power-fc-timing-maps-792577/page2/

there's a link to the thread if anyone is interested in a read....

i initially built the car to be an auto cross car and take it on the track, it was what i wanted and intended the car to do, but a couple issues have arised and i'm un sure what's going on with it now, so until i sort those things out, i'm not sure what's going to happen....
Old 10-18-08 | 08:44 AM
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Update Time....

checked the voltage on the rear coils with the volt meter with the key on the "on" postion and it read 11.75~v, checked the leading, 0.00....

so i unhooked the MSD from the system, hooked the leading coil back up with the leads, key to on, 11.76~v from the leading....

car runs like a top now, but you can notice the difference now without the MSD....

thanks to everyone who helped diagnose the problem!...
Old 10-19-08 | 10:02 AM
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That's great!!!

Good job at diagnosising the issue and solving it. Use this as a lesson though. You said the car boosted past what you had it do on the dyno. Doesnt matter if the tuner threw extra fuel up there or not. If he didnt take it up to that on the dyno it's not tuned for it. Just be carefull.
Old 10-20-08 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TD07
That's great!!!

Good job at diagnosising the issue and solving it. Use this as a lesson though. You said the car boosted past what you had it do on the dyno. Doesnt matter if the tuner threw extra fuel up there or not. If he didnt take it up to that on the dyno it's not tuned for it. Just be carefull.
hasnt done it since, it was a little weird to say the least....

it's tuned for 12-13psi, he dumped fuel into it just incase i spiked so it should be fine....

atleast i'm not ignorant to stay into it if it ever gets too high, thankfully!...

Old 05-09-20 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Smitter
Soloracer relax, u always gotta come one here and start calling everybody down, this forum is to help one another out, not discourage people from posting when they have a problem. this **** isnt worth starting an argument over.

since i know u are and educated rotorhead, why is it that i would see higher knock readings and higher afrs in the denser more humid air, are u saying a car tuned here should run safely anywhere? i was even hitting fuel cut in mb when running @ 15lbs,i had to turn the boost down to 12lbs. that never happens here in Calgary?

Its Cam @ Lightspeed (not Ken as i posted before) and he didnt tune my car specifically. i got the map from him that was tuned to a car identical to mine. The car ran great out here with that map for a year. I took it to mb and beat on it, running leaner and seeing higher knock reading on the pfc. it held up through all the punishment i gave it in the east, but let go in Med Hat. As for Lightspeed i am not trying to be a spokesman for the work they do there, i have heard of some mishaps coming out of that shop aswell. Bottom line is how limited we are around here to find some one to tune are cars.
Cam did my Car specifically, it was a 2 days of dyno and road runs with a wide band and lots of work. No tune working for one RX-7 will work and perform perfectly on another. The year is 2020 and my car is still running good. However it does perform better in hot weather than cold. This is invariably because it was a heat wave when I tuned the car. However the tune will run rich as that's what I wanted to preserve the engine.
Yes you can build a near problem free car, BUT you need to put lots of dyno and road testing specifically on to your car for tune setup. The amount of performance difference from same components is astounding. No tune meant for one car will work 100% for another.

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