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Pnoy's situation is exactly why most people do not turn left into the left lane while there is right turning traffic. While the rule states you turn into your corresponding lane, the vehicle turning right still has the right of way. There are a number of times I've been waiting to take a left and would have wound up sharing space with another car if I had just assumed they were going to drive according to the rules. The only assumption you should ever make about other drivers is that they have no idea what they are doing.

 

As you pointed out, you have to be aware of the other people around you. But those people supposedly took the same tests you did when you got your license, correct?
So, if we did follow the rules of the road, we wouldn't have this issue, correct??
I'm just saying. Rule dictates you have to stay in your own lane when making turns. You don't swing wide into another lane because you feel like it.

If you show fear, they will keep running into your lane.

 

Exactly. And I'm amazed that licensed drivers don't know this. This is why we need mandatory simulator testing every year when a license is renewed, and a road test with written every 5 years when the license come due.

Well I must really **** you off then, because I will not make my left turn until I have decided that the way is perfectly safe, as is specifies in the manual. Because just because someone is signalling to turn right, does not mean that they are going to turn right and not proceed straight through the intersection. For example, they just pulled out of a parking lot and the wheel was not turned far enough to reset the signal, and as the typical lazy/distracted/incompetent driver they are, they have not noticed their right signal is on. Even if they are in mid right turn, I will wait until there is a clear spot in the line of traffic just so that I don't end up in a situation of PnoyRx7, where someone made a right turn into his left lane. I believe this is defined as "defensive driving". The driver behind me can lay on the horn all he/she wants, because their impatience is not worth my safety or the value of my vehicle.

 

A post from Aaron!! No way!!!

It's alright buddy. I've learned my lesson. I make sure I have plenty of room to get around the person in front of me if they don't decide to turn left when they should. I've rarely had to hold down the horn nowadays.

You have to basically drive like everyone on the road is out to hit your car. Which is a sad state of affairs.
Although, I will refer back to the line I mentioned earlier. If you show fear, they will continue to hit your car!

 

Sounds like a dangerous move.

 

Thank you pdday!

Good to see some of the hardcore canuck squad still checking things out.

 

Nono ... thank you ..... thanks to you, I have scars on the car to show .... :P

 

You mean you use too.. use to have scars on the car... me on the other hand..

 

No, scars are still on the car, just not my car anymore.

 

I have moved to Winnipeg ( birthplace) after being in Guelph / Burlington for 35 years ............ my GOD you cant believe the driving habits here

three biggest a$$i9 behaviours here are :

1. ridiculous tailgaiting , and as a result cars everywhere are seen with bumpers damaged , front from being too close, back from someone else being too close
2. no concept of merge lanes . 80% of drivers actually stop and wait for thruway intersection light to turn red until they go . This one is #1 thing I scream at daily on way to work
3. hogging lanes and blocking traffic , people will actually speed up to not let you into traffic or change lanes to get where you need to .

Texting or eating cereal while driving are a distant fourth here

feel my pain

 

I know you're joking, but that happened to me last year. I was turning left and the vehicle in the opposing left turn lane was positioned in such a way that there was no way for me to see past them, even though I did the little "s" turn to move my car as far as I could within the turning lane. This person behind honked, and when I didn't immediately make the turn, turned out from behind me, sneered as they passed me on the right, and were then promptly T-boned as they made their impatient left turn in front of me into invisible on coming traffic. I was kind enough to hang out as a witness, so I could explain exactly to the officer what happened. Man, was that guy's face ever beet red as he listened to my explanation of events. I heard from the officer a little while later that he had a suspended license, no insurance, and a warrant. Oh, snap!

Yep.

 

Exactly!

I agree, show some aggression and people tend to stay away.

 

the rulebook also states that you do not give up your right of way even if it is to prevent an accident, slamming on your brakes mid turn to avoid someone doing an illegal lane change might put you at fault versus this obvious not at fault scenario.

those that say the OP was even partially at fault need to study your driver's ed books again.. the geezer turned and cut a lane right into the OP's car, where he should have turned into the right most lane and then merged left when clear to do so, WHILE SIGNALLING TO DO SO!

do you turn on your left turn signal at a right turn to let people know you intend to cut lanes? i bet you do!

even if both were turning onto a single lane street the person turning on green has the right of way, the person waiting at the red light waits for his opening and can't just jump in whenever the **** he feels like it. if it was a 4 way stop, then they would both equally be responsible, but correct me if i'm wrong but this was a signalled intersection.

 

Thanks for all the support guys. Either way it's over and already reported. Good news is I got a parts car for 400 and am going to take pretty much everything minus the shell (including mirrors lol)

Boy do I wish he would just stop driving and take the bus. If he wrecked my car it would of been a lot worse for him (not saying violence is right) but the way he acted he deserves a smack or two

 

He really did act like a grade-A douchebag. Someone makes a mistake, I can understand. We all make mistakes now and again. But the brush off and douchyness, like your possession is worth nothing just because he doesn't value his own stuff, is where the line is drawn.

I was backed into at an intersection by someone years and years ago. He was all nice and such, we exchanged info so that he could pay the damages directly since he didn't want his insurance involved (RED FLAG!! RED FLAG!!). Well turns out he lives in Edmonton and was just down for a business trip. I got an estimate, faxed it to him, and nothing. Faxed again, nothing. Called and talked to his wife, nothing. Finally got ahold of him and he basically said "What are you going to, I'm in Edmonton". So I sued. Small claims court really is awesome. Added up the estimate, the cost of a rental, all my time, court costs (automatically fall to the loser to pay), law advice, etc. I think it turned a simple $500 repair into a $1200 court case. Called up a friend in Edmonton and had him serve the papers. Guy called me 10 minute later and was irate; "What the **** are you doing?! You're an *******!". I waited for him to finish and gave him the the choices: a. You can come to London and see me in court; b. You can stay in Edmonton, lose by default, and I'll hire a collection agency to obtain your payment (thus damaging credit rating, putting an unpaid debt on record, etc.); c. You can pay your debt as a reasonable human being and grown man would.

Nope, he chose option "B". I won judgement, hired the collection agency we use at work for minimal cost, and got my money. Sucks to be him. Maybe next time he'll think a little more about his actions. Probably not. Lots of easy legal ways to make a lot of trouble for douchebags. And the best part is that because they are douches, there's a 75% chance that all kinds of dirty laundry comes up in the process.

 

You the man Aaron!!! You show these rat bastards.

It completely puzzles me how some of these people managed to live this long without getting killed/beat up.

 

because most people don't have time to deal with it and just suck it up themselves, douchebags know this and use it to their advantage.

everyone tends to think of themself first and foremost and not even think of an ounce of what the other related party is going through. i've dealt with this recently and the customer still has no clue that my time also has any value whatsoever and that i have to pay out of pocket to run a business. you can talk until you are blue in the face but some people just will not listen and only see their own perspective.

 

I'd love to see your rulebook... I'm sure it doesn't say that you should never give up your right of way to avoid an accident. That would be insane. I would smash into 5 cars every week if I wasn't willing to swerve/slow/stop and "give up my right of way to prevent an accident". The only time you don't do those things is when you would likely make contact with something else (car/curb/pole/whatever) as a result

Says the thread-starter, but there is no video and no witnesses. Morally/ethically you can say the old guy was at fault, but the insurance companies will not put it 100% on the old guy. No chance, unless he has no driver's license or something along those lines.

They both had green lights, from what I understand, so none of that is really relevant

 

Last September, I was out buying school supplies at Staples. Hehe boy I wasn't expecting this one.... I parked my vert in the corner right near the entrance so that I could see the traffic coming in and out. So after buying my stuff, walking out with a friend and before we got to my car, this lady with a Freestar swipes the back bumper!!!! I was like "O flip!" and I asked the lady if she was ok as she looked like she was ***ing herself. Now here's the best part. I never told here that the Rx7 was mine! So what was her reply? "Oh its ok. The person doesn't know as yet."
Enough said.

After she offered to pay for it, I said I would fix it myself as I literally polished it off 5 min later. Just goes to show what people can do.

 

I was nearly killed when a 91 year old driver pulled right out in front of me from a country road, I was on a major highway. I just missed him, and I reported it to the police and insisted he take a driver's test, which he did, ans failed miserable. No peripheral vison at all and he could not turn his neck either way at all. I there had been four teenage girls chatting insted of me, they would have been dead. I recognised the driver, a neighbour and hit the brakes hard just before he pulled out.
So just report these older drivers so the insurance companies and the police ,make them take a driver's test. That will do it
Mike

 

I want to say you're mostly right. Even if you aren't in the wrong, the way they can and will look at it is if the accident was avoidable. If you could of done something to avoid the accident, they will put you partially at fault. You have the duty to avoid an accident if possible, but I'm sure within reason of one's and others safety.

 

With 159,400 and some members don't we have a real lawyer among us ?

 

Five star post!

 

all this accident reporting reminded me of what happened 2 yrs ago. The other driver who hit me was driving his moms car and both have no insurance. I still had to pay $300 deductible.