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Old 07-24-09, 03:29 AM
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New Exhaust, Less Backpressure, More Fuel!

So I finally got a nice new straight-thru titanium exhaust to replace my Racing Beat dual-tip. I also had setup an exhaust backpressure sensor last week for comparison testing. So I went out tonight to do some testing.

Last week when I went out to test the backpressure sensor, I was putting out about 10 PSi of backpressure with the Racing Beat dual-tip catback still on at full bost. Now with my new exhaust, I'm only putting out 3-4 PSi of backpressure at full boost. That is a pretty decent drop in backpressure but with it came some required changes in the fuel.

My boost controller settings were unchanged and the boost curve was identical as with the old exhaust. However, what happened was it would go lean at high RPM. So I added more fuel and retuned the up top area to do what I was doing before. By the end of it I realized I had added 5% of fuel at exactly 7200 RPM and 1-3% in the cells surrounding that.

This new exhaust has really opened up my top-end and lowered my backpressure noticeably. Here is a comparison of my fuel curves....

OLD Racing Beat dual-tip exhaust


New Amuse Titanium exhaust


Full boost is roughly on the blue line (4th one down). As you can see the change is quite noticeable. I was pulling the car to 8300 RPM because it felt so much better up top now.

However, even with this change, I'm still not satisfied. I still ahve 3-4 PSi of backpressure and the Amuse exhaust had something unexpected. Which is it goes from 80mm piping into 70mm inside the canister (doh!). So I continue my search of a new exhaust that is true 80mm all the way through. Here is a picture of it, its literally like its made of paper in regards to weight ...



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Old 07-24-09, 05:38 AM
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That is a huge *** tip. Some neighborhood cats could climb in there and take a nap!

How does the exhaust sound compared to the RB duel tips?
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What are you doing with your RB exhaust?
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Originally Posted by Double_J
That is a huge *** tip. Some neighborhood cats could climb in there and take a nap!

How does the exhaust sound compared to the RB duel tips?
It has a deeper tone then the Racing Beat dual-tip but isn't much louder at idle. it only gets noticeably louder after 2500-3000 RPM and after 4000 RPM its quite damn loud. The tip is 120mm but the inside of the canister is 70mm




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What are you doing with your RB exhaust?
The exhaust is already called for before I even decided what exhaust I was gonna buy hehe.

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Originally Posted by paul_3rdgen
What are you doing with your RB exhaust?
i know someone that has a RB for sale...if he still has it
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This is very interesting.

Where is your BP sensor installed?

Was the RB a chambered muffler? 10 psi is way too much back pressure for any straight through muffler or resonator.....
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A couple of observations from my considerable experience with flow benches: If the 70mm section is perforated internally like a resonator, then it probably isn't much of a restriction, if at all, since perf sections usually have less internal friction to flow than solid walled pipe. In fact, I use a resonator with a 64mm internal section (24" long) that is better flowing than an equivalent length of 3" pipe. It gives better sound control with no flow penalty.

I will assert that the bends, or radii, if you will, in your exhaust is your biggest restriction followed by the friction of the longer 80mm sections.
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Originally Posted by Speed of light
This is very interesting.

Where is your BP sensor installed?

Was the RB a chambered muffler? 10 psi is way too much back pressure for any straight through muffler or resonator.....
There is a 1/8 pipe welded into the exhaust just before the resonator (after the wastegate dump). The pipe comes up almost all the way to the turbo to cool down the exhaust and so the backpressure sensor isn't exposed to more temperature then it was designed for.

The Racing Beat dual-tip exhaust is indeed a chambered catback.

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thanks for taking the time to educate with facts
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Originally Posted by Speed of light
A couple of observations from my considerable experience with flow benches: If the 70mm section is perforated internally like a resonator, then it probably isn't much of a restriction, if at all, since perf sections usually have less internal friction to flow than solid walled pipe. In fact, I use a resonator with a 64mm internal section (24" long) that is better flowing than an equivalent length of 3" pipe. It gives better sound control with no flow penalty.

I will assert that the bends, or radii, if you will, in your exhaust is your biggest restriction followed by the friction of the longer 80mm sections.
While I have zero experience with flow benches it just seems odd to think a perforated piece inside a pipe can flow better then a straight pipe. I am a knuckle head so I am not too surprised
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Originally Posted by Double_J
While I have zero experience with flow benches it just seems odd to think a perforated piece inside a pipe can flow better then a straight pipe. I am a knuckle head so I am not too surprised
I know it seems counter-intuitive; however, the best and simplest analogy for this effect is the same as that of dimpled golf ball. There is simply less frictional loss vs a solid surface.
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Too bad we didn't do a before and after on the dyno to see what numbers the new pipe produced
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If it was just a straight pipe then it would no longer be a muffler. It would be a pipe with the body of a muffler welded on, and it would be loud as hell.
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