eViLRotor

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I did not know you had testing in Alberta?

But yes, the rolling exemption will still apply to cars 1987 or older, once they are 20 years old. And, the yearly tests will only be on cars 1988 or newer.

p4nc7

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hmmm....queer..oh well...lol

dufourmike

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i think we should hold a rally, this is bullshit.

everyone in the car comunity would be up for it, from lovers of 32 ford, to the newest civics. it affects us all.

also, what about cleveland, when will they force them to "clean up" ?
there is a reason why the goldenhorsesshoe is also a giant cancer belt, and it isnt the volume of cars, or our plants.

RXciting

damnit. Why does the body on my 87 have to be in such rough shape!!!!!

oh well time to wait till 2010 :S

that's if the law doesn't change!!!!

Aaron Cake

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That's what I don't understand. How do we have all these guys/gals running around in Muscle cars? Down the street from me a guy daily drove a '64 Mustang with a big block swap for years. On the other end, the owner of a '60s/'70s Lincoln had side pipes...

How do these people get away with it?

MyRxBad

How can you say they aren't making any money? Don't you pay GST on the E-test? and if repairs are needed don't you pay GST on that as well?
They are making money that they didn't have before and now since they are taking away some money with the propossed 5 years and under not being tested, they are going to make the others do it once a year to make up for the loss of income.

Either way, this manditory test is pure BS. Last time I checked the air that we breathe circulates around the earth, so until they make this Canada wide or remove it completely, it is a pure CASH GRAB!

Time for us to write our local MP's and get this BS removed!

Whanrow

Sorry, I must be missing something. What is there for them to "get away with"?. Those cars listed are all exempt now as being over 20 yrs old, and will still be exempt as being over 30 yrs old.

classicauto

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one of the things they can get you on though even more so than the etest is the rule about whatever emissions equipment that was on the car at time of manufacturing must remain on the car.

For example, a friend of mine has a late 70's dodge, he swapped a 340 fourbarrell into it - pretty nice little power plant - but ran no egr or cats since he FIGURED he was emissions expempt, but low and behold one day on our way to the track we ran into a roadside sniffer and they looked his ride over head to toe - 375 dollars in fines later we made it to the track.

But my point is that even on emissions exempt cars due to their age you still run a very high risk of at least some hefty fines if you drive your car with any frequency at all and do it without the emissions equipment in place. And for the most part - Im speaking about all the rx's Ive ever had on the road - if you have at least 90% of your emissions equipment in place and functioning you won't have any real trouble passing an etest, the biggest thing is a fresh cat. I can understand that yes its a hassle, but nonetheless I am proud to say that I have a vehicle with a motor that is considered by many to be a dirty and fuel spewing engine by design but yet I manage to pass estests with flying colours year after year.....

So the long in the short, - keep a fresh cat around when your sticker comes due and as long as you have done typical maintanance on your ride you won't have anything to bitch about - other than the money grab. - lol

Aaron Cake

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A lot of these people have done engine swapping, emissions removal (probably most popular mod besides exhuast), major buildups, etc. Yet they seem to get around having to prove that their stock emissions stuff is still in place (even exempt cars still need to have all their stock emissions stuff in place to "pass"). Or maybe they just pay the fine everytime.

Snrub

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As for the "cash grab" aspect, those are pretty week arguements. Earning PST on E-tests? What percent increase of provincial revenue do you think that contributes to?

As for the reason behind it, everyone should be making an effort to improve pollution, but E-Testing is typically used by gov'ts who want to appear like they're doing something about the environment without actually doing anything.

classicauto

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ok - whoever thinks the "cash grab" argument is weak....why don't you phone your local etest garge, be it an independent or a canadian tire or whatever and ask them what they paid for that dyno/sinffer.........

after you pick yourself up off of the floor comeback and argue that its not a cash grab

classicauto

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One option to consider as well is being tested in the Hot Rod category

But the qualifications for being tested under the looser standards are pretty stupid. You must have swapped in, with proof from receipts, a motor that was not offered by the original manufatuer of the vehicle - meaning a 4 banger mustang that had a 5.0 HO swapped in from another mustang does not qualify.....a 4 banger mustang with a 1.8t from a VW jetta qualifies. Meaning for us, 20b swap and then you're in there like a dirty shirt.

But what a stupid qualification? I mean what ******* desk jockey in the gov't did we pay to come up with those rules anyway? jeez louise

eViLRotor

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Hotrod status allows your car to be tested to 1980 standards, but if your car originally came with emissions equipment, it must still be on the car.

The biggest issue a lot of RX-7 owners have, is that in order to improve the power of our cars, we remove a lot of the emissions stuff, mainly the CATs and airpump.

Until now, the 20 year exemption was our get out of jail free card, if this passes, not anymore hehe...

Nismo Convert86

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Well, I need a new shell looks like I'm doing some VIN swapping .

dufourmike

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lets lobby the U.S. goverment to stop this, its the only way our goverment will do anything about it

Crymson

Funny how this kind of comes on the heels of North American automakers posting poor numbers, and today's announcement of autoplant closures all over Ontario.

Look and see who's the biggest union next to teachers, it's gotta be the CAW union in ontario, mabey not the biggest, but probably the most powerful.

Lobbyists are also trying to force autos onto the next election adjenda by demanding high tariffs and taxes on Japanese and other imports.

This isn't designed for emmissions control, it's designed to say "ah hell, it's going to cost 500$ to get my 500$ car to pass e-test, well i guess i'll just go lease a $199/mo ford focus then" so that ford can start selling cars again.

The government is legislating that you get a new vehicle, because their economny depends on rampant consumerism and keeping an old vehicle running and putting money in the bank doesn't put sales taxes in their pockets, and also because they're incapable of providing mass transit at european or japanese levels of quality and efficiency.

Sorry if someone posted this already, i only breezed through page 2. but that's my $0.02

Crymson

From the Canadian Constitution

Mobility Rights

Mobility of citizens
6.
(1) Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in and leave Canada.
Rights to move and gain livelihood

(2) Every citizen of Canada and every person who has the status of a permanent resident of Canada has the right

(a) to move to and take up residence in any province; and
(b) to pursue the gaining of a livelihood in any province.


I wonder if this is unconstitutional in the sense that it discriminates against the poor being able to pursue livelihood in ontario vs. other provinces due to the fact that they cannot afford late model cars, or necessary repairs?

Just a though.

Aaron Cake

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One could argue that except for the cat, removing the emissions equipment does not gain you any power. Mainly because it doesn't. And that nowadays, we have high flow cats that are only marginally more restrictive then an open exhaust....

Just playing devils advocate...

TYSON

BINGO!!

One month ago the news was full of how CAW had just renegotiated contracts at the big three, with all three contracts including the loss of at least 1000 jobs at each in Ontario. You better believe Buzz was on the phone to Dolton Mcguinty the next day.

eViLRotor

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You are right. It is our fault if we modify our cars illegally, as well.

ScrappyDoo

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Well this is what the statute contains as a the definition of "hot rod".

"hot rod" means a motor vehicle in which the original motor has been replaced with a motor of a type not installed by the manufacturer on that model of motor vehicle for the model year designated for the motor vehicle by the manufacturer;

That means that if you have swapped an S5 block into your S4 you are exempt as Mazda did not install them in S4 cars and vice versa. All RE, REW and 20b swaps are exempt too.

What is less clear is whether we can claim that some of the other modifications done to many of the 7s would put them into the exempt class. For example changing the front cover on an S5 to an S4 as many people do when they decide to premix. It leaves the block looking completely different to the untrained eye.

I would also challenge a none rotary mechanic to identify what year of motor I have in my car. These new rules maybe a blessing in disguise as I should have just put myself in the hot rod class years ago.

SmogSUX

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Oh ****...they're starting with Canada now too? Where am I going to move?!

eViLRotor

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Is this a fact, or is this just your interpretation of that statement?

Because 'type' can also be read as a model designation of engine. If you swap a 13B into a 12A car, then hotrod, but if you swap a 13B for a 13B, is that really hotrod status?

ScrappyDoo

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John, I would argue that a 13b from a different series was never offered by the manufacturer in that model year. Yes the intepretation is my own but statutes are meant to be intepreted. The argument would fail if someone had already argued it and a court had interpreted otherwise but I highly doubt that. I am going to find out more about the hot rod class and I'll let you know if I see more problems.

With regards to the type of engine, I know that piston heads don't get questioned about whether they put in another piston engine. I'll look into what happens when they change from a LT1 to an LS1, that should give us a clearer picture.

ducktape

I sympathize. Here in the middle-US, they managed to eliminate our testing requirement 2 years ago. They'd been doing sniffer testing here for 20 years. Nearly all my young life and through all 3 generations of RX7s. Until recently I'd never owned a car that wasn't tested.

There's been a pretty big resurgence in rotary popularity since they removed the testing requirement as well. Turbo-Rotary is actually the hot set-up these days! Before, they were all but extinct in the Ohio-Valley area. A lot of people just let their registrations expire, and stopped driving their cars. A few people stuck it out, mostly by titling their cars in areas that weren't under the same regulations or by VIN-swapping a clean car.

I myself persevered with a leaky exhaust system that they didn't check very closely. I remember waiting in line to test my '87 TII, and having a another 7 owner roll up and say: "You don't really expect that thing to pass, do you?"

It's bad times. I'm very sorry to see it happen to you all. All I can say is, if you can't drive it for now; park it and go get a beater that gets good gas mileage. Let your 7 sit if you can't drive it. I had to do it lots of times, but I always managed to get my ride back before too long. In most cases, $250 in "repairs" will buy you a year's exemption. Call it a Rotary-tax, but don't give up your whips!