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Lest we forget
In Flanders Fields
By: Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae, MD (1872-1918)
Canadian Army
IN FLANDERS FIELDS the poppies blow
Between the crosses row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
My Thanks to the Veterans
By: Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae, MD (1872-1918)
Canadian Army
IN FLANDERS FIELDS the poppies blow
Between the crosses row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
My Thanks to the Veterans
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I know that I shall meet my fate
Somewhere among the clouds above;
Those that I fight I do not hate
Those that I guard I do not love.
My country is Kiltartan Cross,
My countrymen Kiltarton's poor,
No likely end could bring them loss
Or leave them happier than before.
Nor law, nor duty bade me fight,
Nor public men, nor cheering crowds,
A lonely impulse of delight
Drove to this tumult in the clouds.
I balanced all, brought all to mind,
The years to come seemed waste of breath,
A waste of breath the years behind
In balance with this life, this death.
Somewhere among the clouds above;
Those that I fight I do not hate
Those that I guard I do not love.
My country is Kiltartan Cross,
My countrymen Kiltarton's poor,
No likely end could bring them loss
Or leave them happier than before.
Nor law, nor duty bade me fight,
Nor public men, nor cheering crowds,
A lonely impulse of delight
Drove to this tumult in the clouds.
I balanced all, brought all to mind,
The years to come seemed waste of breath,
A waste of breath the years behind
In balance with this life, this death.
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While it all seems fine and dandy to honour our fallen troops in the pursuit of securing our "freedom", most people simply do not know how the world really works.
Herman Georing summed it up at Nuremburg quite well:
9-11 and al CIAda anyone? (I digress)
Wars just don't "happen". The civilians on either side of a conflict have better things to do than sign up to be maimed or killed.
People need to undertsand this.
If people realised that Wall Street FINANCED Hitler in WW2, The Ford Motor Company's German division made Germany's Opel Trucks, and that Standard Oil had a pre-during-after war technology sharing agreement with I.G. Farben they might think twice about fighting when business men from their side supply the enemy. (Opel was originally American)
Maybe this explains why I.G. Farben's Auschwitz chemical plant that made synthetic "buna" rubber was never bombed although it was an OBVIOUS military target?
Other evils done by OUR side to help the ****'s include IBM shipping primitive analog computers to Germany for census taking and rounding up the Jews, and Thyssen sending steel to the ****'s to make tanks, guns and bombs etc.
President G. W. Bush's grandfather was CONVICTED of trading with the ****'s in a court of law. I even have the newspaper clipping scanned to prove it.
http://control-alt-delete.ca/images/nazibush.gif
Then of course there's the hypocracy of John D. Rockerfeller. Rockerfeller's Standard Oil helped the ****'s, but after the war, the peace loving Rockefeller donated the land on which the United Nations sits on.
Make a few bucks off the war helping the enemy, then claim you really love peace by donating land to the UN?
Hidden agenda anyone? The WW2 was promulgated to have the people of the earth crying out for the UN's existence, which in reality is on the road to becoming a global government. (aka New World Order) The creation of Israel was also a factor.
People need to wake the hell up and realise for once and for all, that the super rich elite actually enjoy making millions from human suffering. Even Eisenhower saw what was happening.
War is nothing but a racket and US Marine Major General Smedley Butler said it best:
We should not honour them for being heros but rather pity them for being duped.
Herman Georing summed it up at Nuremburg quite well:
“Why of course the people don’t want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don’t want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or novoice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
Wars just don't "happen". The civilians on either side of a conflict have better things to do than sign up to be maimed or killed.
People need to undertsand this.
If people realised that Wall Street FINANCED Hitler in WW2, The Ford Motor Company's German division made Germany's Opel Trucks, and that Standard Oil had a pre-during-after war technology sharing agreement with I.G. Farben they might think twice about fighting when business men from their side supply the enemy. (Opel was originally American)
Maybe this explains why I.G. Farben's Auschwitz chemical plant that made synthetic "buna" rubber was never bombed although it was an OBVIOUS military target?
Other evils done by OUR side to help the ****'s include IBM shipping primitive analog computers to Germany for census taking and rounding up the Jews, and Thyssen sending steel to the ****'s to make tanks, guns and bombs etc.
President G. W. Bush's grandfather was CONVICTED of trading with the ****'s in a court of law. I even have the newspaper clipping scanned to prove it.
http://control-alt-delete.ca/images/nazibush.gif
Then of course there's the hypocracy of John D. Rockerfeller. Rockerfeller's Standard Oil helped the ****'s, but after the war, the peace loving Rockefeller donated the land on which the United Nations sits on.
Make a few bucks off the war helping the enemy, then claim you really love peace by donating land to the UN?
Hidden agenda anyone? The WW2 was promulgated to have the people of the earth crying out for the UN's existence, which in reality is on the road to becoming a global government. (aka New World Order) The creation of Israel was also a factor.
People need to wake the hell up and realise for once and for all, that the super rich elite actually enjoy making millions from human suffering. Even Eisenhower saw what was happening.
We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.
~Dwight D. Eisenhower
~Dwight D. Eisenhower
War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.
I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.
It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.
I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.
I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.
I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.
It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.
I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.
I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.
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Man, they fought for something they beleived in, theres more honour in that than quoting random people from both sides of the war, and besides i'd rather live in this world than one ruled by the *****
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German's gassed jews because of what they believed in. Does that make it right?
What real threat was Germany to Canada?
Get real, turn of the CNN and Faux news propaganda and pull the wool from over your eyes.
What real threat was Germany to Canada?
Get real, turn of the CNN and Faux news propaganda and pull the wool from over your eyes.
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Originally Posted by Ctrl
Wars just don't "happen". The civilians on either side of a conflict have better things to do than sign up to be maimed or killed.
And that is what we remember on this day.
So, yes, you can argue the fallacy of war, how the propaganda machine works, and how in-tune you are with the world compared to us blindmen, until you are blue in the face. But this is the Veterans' day, so let them have it, and save your useless drivel for some other time.
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I see your point put into that light. I really do. I appreciate the day more now than I did before.
I wouldn't call it useless drivel however when my son could be sent to fight on false pretenses.
All I meant is war sucks and we shouldn't be pawns or cannon fodder just because our gov't says so.
Or, the flip side is, if more people saw things the way I do, (and shown them factually to be) we wouldn't have war at all.
I wouldn't call it useless drivel however when my son could be sent to fight on false pretenses.
All I meant is war sucks and we shouldn't be pawns or cannon fodder just because our gov't says so.
Or, the flip side is, if more people saw things the way I do, (and shown them factually to be) we wouldn't have war at all.
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Originally Posted by eViLRotor
So, yes, you can argue the fallacy of war, how the propaganda machine works, and how in-tune you are with the world compared to us blindmen, until you are blue in the face. But this is the Veterans' day, so let them have it, and save your useless drivel for some other time.
To all those that fought to defeat the evil and courupt concurers in the world i thank you. Especialy those who fought in World War I cause i'de say it was the most dirtiest of all wars.
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Am I the only guy here with the wherewithal to see that our loved ones were stabbed in the back by people allegedly from our own side?
My grandfathers fought in ww2.... in navy corvette's and tanks in Holland, Italy and North Africa etc.
I'm incensed that people from "our side" actively worked against them.... but I see no anger for that reason from any other poster in this thread.
Doesn't that anger you guys? Or are you to busy waving the flag and wearing a poppy to care?
They were/are YOUR loved one's too and were served a great injustice.
It would seem to me that I care more about the treason perpetuated against your loved ones than YOU are.
If I were your grandfather's I'd disown you.
Ponder that in that context.
My grandfathers fought in ww2.... in navy corvette's and tanks in Holland, Italy and North Africa etc.
I'm incensed that people from "our side" actively worked against them.... but I see no anger for that reason from any other poster in this thread.
Doesn't that anger you guys? Or are you to busy waving the flag and wearing a poppy to care?
They were/are YOUR loved one's too and were served a great injustice.
It would seem to me that I care more about the treason perpetuated against your loved ones than YOU are.
If I were your grandfather's I'd disown you.
Ponder that in that context.
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Just imagine if we spent all that war money and resources on good things instead of fighting each other, Yes almost all of our technology has been brought to us via the army but at what cost? war is pointless and bares an ugly face. All these guns and violence for what? why are we as humans so damn destructive? It all falls under ( I'm bigger than you so bow down ) It's all bull$hit in my mind. What a way to spend good taxes and kill off the poor since it appears that in history and present it has allways been the rich mans war and the poor mans fate.
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I salute the gentlemen who bravely fought for our cause..and am greatfull for the land i live in..without them it would not be possible..God Bless one and all..may we always be brothers in each others eyes.War is hell ..to Live is pure heaven in itself..misterstyx69
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and belief. These men, including your grandfathers, fought and died because someone else tried to push his beliefs on other people. Sit there and whine all you want...I will continue to honour the memories of these men not because they fought in a war that I have no concept of, or because they were duped by their own governments, but because they died giving their lives for something they felt was greater than themselves. I'm not a soldier, and you probably aren't either. So instead of putting a big stupid damper on an otherwise honorable day why don't you just conceide for a minute out of simple respect?
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Am I the only guy here with the wherewithal to see that our loved ones were stabbed in the back by people allegedly from our own side?
My grandfathers fought in ww2.... in navy corvette's and tanks in Holland, Italy and North Africa etc.
I'm incensed that people from "our side" actively worked against them.... but I see no anger for that reason from any other poster in this thread.
Doesn't that anger you guys? Or are you to busy waving the flag and wearing a poppy to care?
They were/are YOUR loved one's too and were served a great injustice.
It would seem to me that I care more about the treason perpetuated against your loved ones than YOU are.
If I were your grandfather's I'd disown you.
Ponder that in that context.
My grandfathers fought in ww2.... in navy corvette's and tanks in Holland, Italy and North Africa etc.
I'm incensed that people from "our side" actively worked against them.... but I see no anger for that reason from any other poster in this thread.
Doesn't that anger you guys? Or are you to busy waving the flag and wearing a poppy to care?
They were/are YOUR loved one's too and were served a great injustice.
It would seem to me that I care more about the treason perpetuated against your loved ones than YOU are.
If I were your grandfather's I'd disown you.
Ponder that in that context.
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^^^^ amen to that brother, it's not about why they fought it's about that they fought, ya some wars were pointless how bout the ones that had a point, you gonna singal out every vet that fought for a purpose and give them credit, then bash the ones that got forced to fight by their government? if you do you need a swift kick in the *****, cause i don't remember the shitty reasons they had to fight for i remember they fought, and even if it's as pointless at veitnam they still fought for you and me so i'de shut your damn mouth and have some respect. cause they desever it for all they have been put through.
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Originally Posted by Ctrl
German's gassed jews because of what they believed in. Does that make it right?
What real threat was Germany to Canada?
Get real, turn of the CNN and Faux news propaganda and pull the wool from over your eyes.
What real threat was Germany to Canada?
Get real, turn of the CNN and Faux news propaganda and pull the wool from over your eyes.
Beginning in the early 1950's, the oppressive rulers of Canada and the United States defied the righteous will of the Fuhrer and the Reich, and it sadly became necessary to nuke New York and Boston and Washington and Ottawa and Montreal in order to demonstrate to the Canadian and American rulers the futility of continuing to oppress their peoples while resisting the Reich. This in turn prevented the anticipated pressing of many North Americans into resistance to the liberation armies of the Reich by their rulers in defense of their "Island North America" scheme. While it is sad that millions died due to the foolhardiness of their leaders, ultimately this saved the lives of millions of good European soldiers and their North American brothers of the master race, and with the unconditional surrender of the Canadian and American rulers in 195x, North Americans happily joined the Reich under our illustrious first Fuhrer Adolf Hitler.
Sieg heil!
Sieg heil!
While Canada's involvement in both world wars may not have had immediate and obvious bearing on our particular concerns, standing up to totalitarianism was not propaganda, and ultimately has led to the spread of democracy throughout Europe and, slowly the rest of the world, and an era of relative peace and unprecedented prosperity - and the spread of prosperity and democracy to those parts of the world where it is still lacking will be the best preventative to future wars.
To suggest that the 100,000+ Canadians who have given their lives in service to this country in 2 world wars, and over 1 million who served in the forces, only fought for propaganda and not a real and dangerous enemy is an insult to their memories and to the reasons they served - and the reason that you can sit there in your comfortable house, in your comfortable country, under a government you have the opportunity to choose and choose to insult those who stood up for what was right, not just what was expedient or easy to do.
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Originally Posted by Ctrl
German's gassed jews because of what they believed in. Does that make it right?
What real threat was Germany to Canada?
Get real, turn of the CNN and Faux news propaganda and pull the wool from over your eyes.
What real threat was Germany to Canada?
Get real, turn of the CNN and Faux news propaganda and pull the wool from over your eyes.
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You're the load your mother should have swallowed. Show some ******* respect for some of these guys who willingly lied about their age so they could go risk their lives to defend their country, some of them watching their close friends die around them. Seriously, go **** yourself sideways with a barge pole.
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Originally Posted by rx7racerca
Would it have been better that Canada and the US had stayed out of WWII, and allowed Europe and Asia to fall under a PAX Germania? Britain and France and America certainly demonstrated the effectiveness of the politics of appeasement in the 30's - allowing the ***** to take over its smaller neighbours just whetted their appetites for conquest. We could have allowed Europe and the Middle East and Central Asia to fall under the Swastika, and the Far East under the Rising Sun of the Japanese fascists. Then the ***** would have had lots of time to perfect their jet aircraft and long range rockets and nuclear weapons while North America pretended what went on in the rest of the world wasn't our concern and let our militaries languish. Only then not only would the oppression and slaughter of the **** butchers spread over Europe and Asia, but we could expect our history books to read something like this:
Who has the wool over their eyes?
While Canada's involvement in both world wars may not have had immediate and obvious bearing on our particular concerns, standing up to totalitarianism was not propaganda, and ultimately has led to the spread of democracy throughout Europe and, slowly the rest of the world, and an era of relative peace and unprecedented prosperity - and the spread of prosperity and democracy to those parts of the world where it is still lacking will be the best preventative to future wars.
To suggest that the 100,000+ Canadians who have given their lives in service to this country in 2 world wars, and over 1 million who served in the forces, only fought for propaganda and not a real and dangerous enemy is an insult to their memories and to the reasons they served - and the reason that you can sit there in your comfortable house, in your comfortable country, under a government you have the opportunity to choose and choose to insult those who stood up for what was right, not just what was expedient or easy to do.
Who has the wool over their eyes?
While Canada's involvement in both world wars may not have had immediate and obvious bearing on our particular concerns, standing up to totalitarianism was not propaganda, and ultimately has led to the spread of democracy throughout Europe and, slowly the rest of the world, and an era of relative peace and unprecedented prosperity - and the spread of prosperity and democracy to those parts of the world where it is still lacking will be the best preventative to future wars.
To suggest that the 100,000+ Canadians who have given their lives in service to this country in 2 world wars, and over 1 million who served in the forces, only fought for propaganda and not a real and dangerous enemy is an insult to their memories and to the reasons they served - and the reason that you can sit there in your comfortable house, in your comfortable country, under a government you have the opportunity to choose and choose to insult those who stood up for what was right, not just what was expedient or easy to do.
It's also true that the first casualty of war is the truth. Many wars are more about politics and the ulterior motives of our elected officials than preserving freedom. But there are some wars in which the evils of the war itself pales in comparison to the absolutely unimaginable evil of the alternative.
In spite of some of the hidden agendas, half-truths, conflicts-of-interest and ulterior motives, WWII was just such a war. And so is the current war against the evil that is the militant/ jihadist/ oppressive terrorist entities who are currently hijacking the religion of Islam to serve their political purpose. Does anybody honestly believe that if the U.S. and their allies were to lay down their arms and apologize to these bastards for supplying arms to Israel and for denouncing the extremist's enforcement of barbaric laws that see women butchered for sex outside of wedlock, the terrorists would go away quietly and lay down their arms too?
They won't. They are currently spreading their message of hate, terror and intolerance throughout the middle east and the world. They are also working diligently to acquire nuclear weapons. It's not a matter of if they do but when, and when they do you can be sure they'll use them. At least the Russians and the U.S. during the cold war realized that a nuclear war was one in which there would only be losers.
So we have a lot to thank our veterans for--- this includes not only past vets but also present and future ones. War may be an unspeakable hell, but the fact remains that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees. We owe these heros more than most cowardly Liberals will ever realize.
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Originally Posted by Tankeyes
You're the load your mother should have swallowed. Show some ******* respect for some of these guys who willingly lied about their age so they could go risk their lives to defend their country, some of them watching their close friends die around them. Seriously, go **** yourself sideways with a barge pole.
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well gues i personaly thing enough has been said and if he stupid enough to say anymore on this subject when then just falme the hell outta him, cause if he has not gotten it by now he never will, if he deosen't get it just **** em let him stay to his child hood thinking, people liek that need to be on the front lines of wa and see what the reality of war is, not the dipolomatic bullshit pushing wars foreward. well i've said more than my stupidy has allowed so i'm gonna keep my mouth shut unless i read something unbearibly stupid.
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Originally Posted by Wankels-Revenge
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and belief. These men, including your grandfathers, fought and died because someone else tried to push his beliefs on other people. Sit there and whine all you want...I will continue to honour the memories of these men not because they fought in a war that I have no concept of, or because they were duped by their own governments, but because they died giving their lives for something they felt was greater than themselves. I'm not a soldier, and you probably aren't either. So instead of putting a big stupid damper on an otherwise honorable day why don't you just conceide for a minute out of simple respect?
I agree man, yet I find it funny that there is fighting AKA flaming on this thread. Regardless of why the wars were fought we MUST REMEMBER that they hapened and the grusome outcome of any war. If we fail to remember we are bound for sure to duplicate our previous mistakes.
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