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Old 07-07-05, 11:13 PM
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help!...court...... :(

i had my liscence suspended a while back.......
in the morning i had to drive some1 to school and on the way back...i bumped into a cop that knew me...
he chased me down without a siren on....and i lost him in residential roads...i would say it would be around 8:20am?
later around 5:00pm he spots me in a parking lot inside my car...pulls me out and gives me a ticket...another crusier came and he told the other cop to give me a no insurance ticket (yes i didnt have insurance).....and the time and place was 8:20am and where he saw me earlier that day....

could i fight that?
is that legal for him to book me at a different time and place?
Old 07-07-05, 11:17 PM
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is it legal to drive with no license and insurance?
Old 07-07-05, 11:21 PM
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Why were you driving without insurance in the first place? I "heard" that if you dont have your insurance papers on you, cops will give you 24 hours to prove that you indeed have insurance.. Again Im not sure, someone want to confirm that?
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they don't have to, some will, but he still had a suspended licence, pay upm if you would have hit some one i think many people would want to have a few words with you, it's bad enough you don't have a licence, but not having insurance is why i pay out the *** for insurance.
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PM me if you want to take this to court, I have a very good paralegal that will help you sort things out...
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Lemme get this straight:

You have a suspended lisence.
You have no insurance.
You drove your car anyway.
You got into a mild police chase.
The cop found you later that day.
Cop gave you a ticket.
You feel that it isn't fair.

Yeah, fight it - lemme know how that turns out.

These "Got a Ticket" threads are getting worse and worse.
Old 07-08-05, 08:29 AM
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Driving without insurance alone can be/up to a $5000 fine.
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Go to court and fight it. Represent yourself. Then post the transcript.

This oughta' be amusing.
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Good luck, but I don't think there's much you can do. What was the first ticket for? If it was for something other than an indictable offense you're probably very lucky.

On a side note, guys I have a problem: I murdered someone and while the trial was in progress I murdered someone else. Unfortunately several of the jury members were splattered with the second victim's blood. Could I fight that?
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On a side note, guys I have a problem: I murdered someone and while the trial was in progress I murdered someone else. Unfortunately several of the jury members were splattered with the second victim's blood. Could I fight that?
LOL

You could call into question the calibration of the judge's eyeglasses - just make sure your eyes are calibrated to 20/20. Also, if there were lawyers or baliffs between you and the judge, there is no way that the judge can say with any certainty that it was you who did the killing. And postpone your hearing - the jury may not show up.
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Ok one thing is too do the above another thing is to risk it again in the same day WTF were you thinking man i think the fact that you got away in the morning was a bit much on the luck part, and as usual your luck runs out, no offence but i think you deserve to have gotten cought the second time in one day. now go to your corner and think about what you have done
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You should have told your friend to take the bus to school.

I 100% agree with Nick86

Or is this thread all a joke? A parody of the direction these threads are taking on this forum? Hmmmm...
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Originally Posted by Nick86
And postpone your hearing - the jury may not show up.
Yes it would be a shame if something happened to them. I think if ViciouS_27 pospones the trial enough there's a small chance the cop will die of natural causes and not be able to show up. That's the only option I see.
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Originally Posted by ViciouS_27
i had my liscence suspended a while back.......
in the morning i had to drive some1 to school and on the way back...i bumped into a cop that knew me...
he chased me down without a siren on....and i lost him in residential roads...i would say it would be around 8:20am?
later around 5:00pm he spots me in a parking lot inside my car...pulls me out and gives me a ticket...another crusier came and he told the other cop to give me a no insurance ticket (yes i didnt have insurance).....and the time and place was 8:20am and where he saw me earlier that day....

could i fight that?
is that legal for him to book me at a different time and place?

Sitting in your car in a parking lot if it's on PRIVATE PROPERTY with no license and no insurance is NOT a crime. What ticket did COP A serve you with?

You could of towed it there and were going to tow it back, that's not illegal is it?
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What the F...... There are too many of these brain dead posts lately. You were driving a car without a license, you had no insurance, you ran from the cops and got away and you were too dumb to stay in your hole for about a month to let the whole thing pass over. This reminds me of the Alanis song, "Isn't it ironic...". You achieved new levels of being dumb and arrogant, if I had been the cop I would have impounded your car.

I blame Feds and his getting off on his highway speeding ticket due to natural causes...

Anyways back to the really important part of this discussion, what kind of oil filter do you have on your car and did the fact that it was a Factory Mazda Filter (with its implanted detection device) contribute to your getting caught the second time. I think the fact that it was a Fram/ Canadian Tire filter with its lower level of restriction. This lower restriction translated into less oil pump load and more available HP. This allowed you to get away in the morning.

Discuss.......
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I would say you got caught with your hand in the cookie jar. Good luck.
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Originally Posted by pd_day
Sitting in your car in a parking lot if it's on PRIVATE PROPERTY with no license and no insurance is NOT a crime. What ticket did COP A serve you with?
Actually, that's not technically true. I asked my dad about this earlier, and true enough, the Highway Traffic Act DOES cover private property. For example, it is ilegal to drive on your own property under the influence of alcohol. Even if it's a riding lawn mower.

Sitting in your car is obviously not illegal, however, the car did have to get there in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
Actually, that's not technically true. I asked my dad about this earlier, and true enough, the Highway Traffic Act DOES cover private property. For example, it is ilegal to drive on your own property under the influence of alcohol. Even if it's a riding lawn mower.

Sitting in your car is obviously not illegal, however, the car did have to get there in the first place.
That is only true if you were OPERATING a veh under influence =)

How did you car get there? Nothing a few tow truck receipts won't answer...
Why you tow it there is another story.....hehe...
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I've heard hundreds of stories about unreasonable cops - mostly from younger guys with loud cars. I've always had a tendency to brush these stories off as exagerations & side with the cops. That was until yesterday when a cop stepped off a sidewalk & gave me a ticket for doing 67 in a 50 kmh zone. I really wasn't speeding. I think his radar may have picked up one of the other cars around me, there were quite a few as it was rush hour. I have not been pulled over by a cop for anything in more than 10 years - but how am I supposed to argue with a cop? In his mind he got me & I was guilty of speeding regardless of what I said. If you knowingly broke the law by driving without insurance & a licence you made a big mistake & you should admit to it. If you appear before a judge & refuse to acknowledge your guilt, you're going to make him angry, he'll see you as being an unreasonable person rather than someone who is willing to try & make up for a mistake, & he'll throw the book at you. I don't know what we can do with unreasonable cops - but knowingly breaking the law isn't helping. I'm just going to pay for the ticket.
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john take it to court and see if you can get it dropped to 65 that means no points and 52.50
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Originally Posted by johnf
I've heard hundreds of stories about unreasonable cops - mostly from younger guys with loud cars. I've always had a tendency to brush these stories off as exagerations & side with the cops. That was until yesterday when a cop stepped off a sidewalk & gave me a ticket for doing 67 in a 50 kmh zone. I really wasn't speeding. I think his radar may have picked up one of the other cars around me, there were quite a few as it was rush hour. I have not been pulled over by a cop for anything in more than 10 years - but how am I supposed to argue with a cop? In his mind he got me & I was guilty of speeding regardless of what I said. If you knowingly broke the law by driving without insurance & a licence you made a big mistake & you should admit to it. If you appear before a judge & refuse to acknowledge your guilt, you're going to make him angry, he'll see you as being an unreasonable person rather than someone who is willing to try & make up for a mistake, & he'll throw the book at you. I don't know what we can do with unreasonable cops - but knowingly breaking the law isn't helping. I'm just going to pay for the ticket.
This ticket can be easily fought base on my experience....
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Who cares about the ticket? It's the no insurance that is going to screw him.

I have zero sympathy for those that drive without license and insurance. They deserve what they get.
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Originally Posted by 23Racer
What the F...... There are too many of these brain dead posts lately.

I blame Feds and his getting off on his highway speeding ticket due to natural causes...

Anyways back to the really important part of this discussion, what kind of oil filter do you have on your car and did the fact that it was a Factory Mazda Filter (with its implanted detection device) contribute to your getting caught the second time. I think the fact that it was a Fram/ Canadian Tire filter with its lower level of restriction. This lower restriction translated into less oil pump load and more available HP. This allowed you to get away in the morning.
1. It's spelt F-U-C-K
2. I didn't realize that Feds got off. What was stupider was how no one learned anything from his incident. Also how no one will go to the track out of fear of destroying their car, but no one thinks twice about driving like it's Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas day on the roads.
3. While I agree that 95% of the oil filter thread is idiodic, 5% has some relevance to people who are really **** retentive. eg. I see no reason to run a Crappy Tire with 89% single pass filtering. eg. #2 There's no reason why someone couldn't try to buy a slightly better product, just like the oil that survived the 300F temps in 01Racer's car. A lesser oil probably would have coked up. BTW: I took apart the high grade Crappy Tire filter to try to end any future discussion. I have a fram filter waiting to do the same.

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Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
Actually, that's not technically true. I asked my dad about this earlier, and true enough, the Highway Traffic Act DOES cover private property. For example, it is ilegal to drive on your own property under the influence of alcohol. Even if it's a riding lawn mower.

Sitting in your car is obviously not illegal, however, the car did have to get there in the first place.


but can a police issue you a ticket on you own property? cant you just say f. you, get off my property, no one called you so you have no right to be there?
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You may all be right, but I'm really not very well versed with this court stuff. A lot of people have been telling me to go to court on this. I could understand if the fine was for driving without a licence or insurance, you might be able to convince the judge to reduce the severity of the fine but you should still be penalized for breaking the law. But to ask a judge to reduce a fine by 2 kmh? I've been insured with the same company through the same broker forever & my driving record is (was) clean. My broker says this won't have any effect on my insurance premium at all & I've already used up enough vacation days trying to deal with the government over a taxation error they made several years ago. It would be cheaper for me to pay the fine than go to court to fight it - I know I wasn't speeding, but it boils down to my word against the cops word & he had the radar gun. I can't think of any way that I could prove that I wasn't speeding.



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