200 cars expect to be impounded over the coming long weekend...

http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/261595

Well, midnight Saturday is it. I think I've hit 150 a couple times this week (safely, alone). Saturday night I think I'll head out and enjoy what will be my last cruise that will include brief moments over 150 on public roads.

Meanwhile... the media the last two weeks has now jumped over to the "dangerous truckers" bandwagon. Trucks have killed what 3 people in the last month? Drivers were charged in both incidents. How many people have died at the hands of "street racers" in the last year?!?!?!? Last week alone there was 4-5 incidents of trucks out of control, rollovers, etc. BAN TRUCKS I SAY!!! They're multi-ton missles of DEATH!

F YOU McGuinty and Fantino. The safety organizations cry foul when dangerous driving in parents cars takes a life once or twice a year and now we will all pay and we'll never go backwards unless the country ends up like Mad Max land...

 

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"Woolley said that impound lots are being cleared to make room for an upswing in business."

They certainly haven't approached me (I'm a registered storage compound for my local OPP detachment) and said "Joe, we need some extra space, clear out the Morris Minor parts cars!!!"

Doesn't bother me any, only scenario that worries me is them trapping people slowing down coming into towns where there are pre-mature 50km/hr zones. Thats how most everyone ends up getting ticketed out in the boonies here!!

 

This is the real deal ..

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/sta...08_e.htm#BK244

Racing, stunts, etc., prohibited
172. (1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle on a highway in a race or contest, while performing a stunt or on a bet or wager. 2007, c. 13, s. 21.
Offence
(2) Every person who contravenes subsection (1) is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of not less than $2,000 and not more than $10,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than six months, or to both, and in addition his or her driver's licence may be suspended,
(a) on a first conviction under this section, for not more than two years; or
(b) on a subsequent conviction under this section, for not more than 10 years. 2007, c. 13, s. 21.
Police to require surrender of licence, detention of vehicle
(5) Where a police officer believes on reasonable and probable grounds that a person is driving, or has driven, a motor vehicle on a highway in contravention of subsection (1), the officer shall,
(a) request that the person surrender his or her driver's licence; and
(b) detain the motor vehicle that was being driven by the person until it is impounded under clause (7) (b). 2007, c. 13, s. 21.

Administrative seven-day licence suspension
(6) Upon a request being made under clause (5) (a), the person to whom the request is made shall forthwith surrender his or her driver's licence to the police officer and, whether or not the person is unable or fails to surrender the licence to the police officer, his or her driver's licence is suspended for a period of seven days from the time the request is made. 2007, c. 13, s. 21.

Administrative seven-day vehicle impoundment
(7) Upon a motor vehicle being detained under clause (5) (b), the motor vehicle shall, at the cost of and risk to its owner,
(a) be removed to an impound facility as directed by a police officer; and
(b) be impounded for seven days from the time it was detained under clause
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Definition of STUNT DRIVING
Few interesting sections, for the stunt driving!!
3 (2) wheelies on a MC
3 (6) Driving while not in the driver’s seat (postal deliveries?)
3 (7) 50km above limit
8 (iv) turn left on a solid green
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Ontario Regulation 455/07
Definition, "stunt"
3. For the purposes of section 172 of the Act, "stunt" includes any activity where one or more persons engage in any of the following driving behaviours:
1. Driving a motor vehicle in a manner that indicates an intention to lift some or all of its tires from the surface of the highway, including driving a motorcycle with only one wheel in contact with the ground, but not including the use of lift axles on commercial motor vehicles.

2. Driving a motor vehicle in a manner that indicates an intention to cause some or all of its tires to lose traction with the surface of the highway while turning.

3. Driving a motor vehicle in a manner that indicates an intention to spin it or cause it to circle, without maintaining control over it.

4. Driving two or more motor vehicles side by side or in proximity to each other, where one of the motor vehicles occupies a lane of traffic or other portion of the highway intended for use by oncoming traffic for a period of time that is longer than is reasonably required to pass another motor vehicle.

5. Driving a motor vehicle with a person in the trunk of the motor vehicle.

6. Driving a motor vehicle while the driver is not sitting in the driver's seat.

7. Driving a motor vehicle at a rate of speed that is 50 kilometres per hour or more over the speed limit.

8. Driving a motor vehicle without due care and attention, without reasonable consideration for other persons using the highway or in a manner that may endanger any person by,

i. driving a motor vehicle in a manner that indicates an intention to prevent another vehicle from passing,

ii. stopping or slowing down a motor vehicle in a manner that indicates the driver's sole intention in stopping or slowing down is to interfere with the movement of another vehicle by cutting off its passage on the highway or to cause another vehicle to stop or slow down in circumstances where the other vehicle would not ordinarily do so,

iii. driving a motor vehicle in a manner that indicates an intention to drive, without justification, as close as possible to another vehicle, pedestrian or fixed object on or near the highway, or

iv. making a left turn where,

(A) the driver is stopped at an intersection controlled by a traffic control signal system in response to a circular red indication;

(B) at least one vehicle facing the opposite direction is similarly stopped in response to a circular red indication; and

(C) the driver executes the left turn immediately before or after the system shows only a circular green indication in both directions and in a manner that indicates an intention to complete or attempt to complete the left turn before the vehicle facing the opposite direction is able to proceed straight through the intersection in response to the circular green indication facing that vehicle. O. Reg. 455/07, s. 3

 

I REALLY like the definitions of stunting, except for 8.iv, that should just be an unsafe left hand turn.

 

so yeah.

Hope you don't get stuck in the snow while going around a corner and need to spin the tires to free the car.


ONTARIO BLOWS!

 

If anyone gets their car towed on here, or knows someone that does have them call me at work. www.colwingill.com
I don't usually handle traffic matters accept for my own and family, but in this case I want to challenge the recent legislation. NO CHARGE TO THE FIRST PERSON THAT CALLS.

 

The only part I really agree with is the 'left turn on green' piece... I'm a SICK of people 'running' the advanced green, AFTER it has vanished and I get MY green... I'm not bitching at the last guy who it turns yellow for, or even if it stops flashing (or the arrow goes yellow) AS they're making their turn, but DAMN... people just PUSH it! Recently, I've taken to hitting the gas and driving right at them.. sometimes they stop and give ME a dirty look as I go through, even though I'm COMPLEATLY within my rights to proceed on a GREEN light, sometimes I have to hit the brakes and wail on the horn, but either way, they definatly snap out of whatever daze they're in and become aware of their folly!

 

Doesn't this law essentially make it illegal to drive on snow?

So if you're driving your car, and you intentionally drive ON snow, the car "lifts" it's tires from the surface of the highway, since the surface is covered by snow, therefore making it illegal.

Guess I'm going to be staying in until the roads are salted. Hope I don't have to go to work or anything.

Driving over snow drifts would obviously be right out too.

Obviously that won't be enforced, but the letter of the law makes it illegal.

 

28 people had there vehicles impounded this weekend past. 28 "street racers". This is total BS.

 

Had anyone take you up on your offer?

At least out here in Alberta, our government is too busy doing nothing at all, letting the oil companies skip out on billions in royalties owed, and sitting as few days as possible, to be bothered to come up with stupid laws to deal with a "problem" already covered under existing laws. I guess there's an upside to our rudderless provincial government.

 

Not Yet

 

I thought I heard it was 44 people screwed this weekend, the first being a teenager who was in tears as his Mom's car was towed. Ha! I admit though I am driving with an even higher awareness of the threat of this now.

 

On the London's local club forum (London Auto Club.org) there is at least one douchebag who had his car impounded. Apparently he was doing over 150 KM/H on Wellington Rd (a street with a 50 KM/H limit).

 

^^^ that is just plain stupid, to do a 100k over the limit. It serve him right to get impounded...at least he didnt killed anyone yet.

 

Yeah, it's just too bad that he didn't take himself out of the gene pool in a single vehicle accident...

Apparently the story that he is throwing around is that he (and the two friends he was racing with) were speeding because they were being chased by a crazy guy and a van...Man I want to find out the court date so I can sit in on that one!

 

Sounds so much like JUDGE DREDD ,

 

I'm Wondering if they call it"Street Racing" If they catch a Single Vehicle doing 50 KPH over the Limit?..with NO Other cars present?..(Example: Who the Frigg was "I" racing, Officer?..I had to Go PEE!..BAD!)

 

-- Driving a motor vehicle in a manner that indicates an intention to lift some or all of its tires from the surface of the highway,

There are plenty of train tracks around Fenwick that do that at legal and sub-legal speeds. The government is forcing me to stunt drive by not maintaining the level crossings.


4. Driving two or more motor vehicles side by side or in proximity to each other, where one of the motor vehicles occupies a lane of traffic or other portion of the highway intended for use by oncoming traffic for a period of time that is longer than is reasonably required to pass another motor vehicle.

-- So Driving too fast, and passing too slow are both "stunt driving"?!?!? I am first very confused, and secondly, I've actually been pulled over for achieving 90kph while passing someone going 70 kph in an 80 zone.. Maybe we should call this Feds' Law...

5. Driving a motor vehicle with a person in the trunk of the motor vehicle.

-- Is a corpse a person? Drive in theaters are going to see a serious decline in concession sales.

6. Driving a motor vehicle while the driver is not sitting in the driver's seat.

-- Caution RHD owners, you could be street racing.

7. Driving a motor vehicle at a rate of speed that is 50 kilometres per hour or more over the speed limit.

--This would be much much better as a % over law. 100 in a 50 is way worse than 150 in a 100.

8. Driving a motor vehicle without due care and attention, without reasonable consideration for other persons using the highway or in a manner that may endanger any person by,

-- So set up a sting on any hwy leading in or out of Toronto during rush hour, and pull 90% of the vehicles off the road for stunt driving.

i. driving a motor vehicle in a manner that indicates an intention to prevent another vehicle from passing,

ii. stopping or slowing down a motor vehicle in a manner that indicates the driver's sole intention in stopping or slowing down is to interfere with the movement of another vehicle by cutting off its passage on the highway or to cause another vehicle to stop or slow down in circumstances where the other vehicle would not ordinarily do so,

--Alas white civic who played this game with me last month... Your time has come.

iii. driving a motor vehicle in a manner that indicates an intention to drive, without justification, as close as possible to another vehicle, pedestrian or fixed object on or near the highway, or

-- So no more riding the Bots Dots for funzies?

 

The thing that pisses me off the most is that these laws are enacted when most of the above infractions are covered by careless driving or dangerous driving charges under the highway traffic act. There was never a need for new laws, just more appropriate punishment.

As an example, this week the two guys who killed a couple turning left in Richmond Hill got conditional sentences. Some info...the driver turning left was impaired, so this was a factor...but still, there are apparently witnesses that saw two cars racing each other. A fairer punishment would have been to give them at least a little jail time.

 

At least if they are going to be this harsh they should let us use radar detectors.

 

220 plus cars seized in one week. That is just insane.

 

A lot of people are reading some very crazy things into these laws. For example, making a normal traffic situation illegal. Is there anywhere where it is easy to look up the exact reason why these 220 cars were seized? My guess is that it was almost 100% based on the speed law and not necessarily the "stunt" laws.

 

There is definately a way to get the records since I have read other studies based on the statistics regarding charges or arrests. I will have to inquire as to how to get the records or whether it requires co-operation from charging authorities.

As an aside what do you think is the most commonly laid criminal charge?

 

if you are going 50 over the posted limit on a public street, then you are a moron. enjoy taking the bus for a week.

 

I don't think you get the crux of the issue. Firstly you have no right of appeal, secondly all a police officer has to do is say you were travelling at 50 over and he has the discretion to sieze your vehicle. That type of discretion should not be in anyone's hands. In an ideal world every police officer would be a man/woman of his/her word and never lie or exagerate. Unfortunately that is far from the truth.

And I fail to see why travelling at 149 is ok but 150 results in vehicle seizure. I fthe posted speed limit was the actual speed travelled on 400 series highways I would have no problem with greater fines etc. for 50 over. But when the average speed on the 400 series is 120 this current legislation is ill thought out and designed.

It is political pandering at its finest.