I think we'll get a Conservative minoraty, then we'll get screwed.

They want private heath care, and if they get it, within 20-30 years teh public system will be in ruins and everyone will go to the private hospitals, clinics and doctors, making into an Americanized system, which by the way costs almost 50% more to run for lesser service. We have it good here, let's not spoil it. Many Americans cannot afford heath insurance, and in my view that's wrong, no man, woman or child should be denied the right to the best treatment possible. Is a rich man more worthy of life than a poor man? When we start to place different values on peoples lives based on how much money they have, we loose something very important, and we become lesser people for it.

They'll cut taxes immediately, then start to cut services, this will mean the you and I have to pay to get services that were previously provided for us, the poor will get poorer and everyone will suffer in some way. Thousands of hard working civil servants will loose their jobs, creating greater unemployment, and hurting the economy. Those who remain will be forced to work ever harder, and more and more people will slip through the cracks in the system. Then they'll run a deficit and the national debt will start to grow once more, just like it did with Mulroney (Worst PM ever).

For us students, we'll be paying even higher tuition in the following years as subsidies and spending are cut. More and more people will no longer be able to afford school and graduates will have unprecidented levels of debt.

Harper will go to washington and bend over for Bush, we may yet see our fighting men deployed to Iraq and wherever Bush decides to go next. Our citizens will be dying for a fight that's not theirs. We'll also have icreasing "cooperation" with the Americans with our military, effectively granting them partial control over our forces (it's already happened with NORAD).

Our economy will suffer because Harper won't stand up to the US on trade issues, and if anything he'll open up NAFTA and give the Americans even more than they have now.

I also think that they'll be just as much, if not more corruption with Harper than there was with Martin, he was honest with the spending scandal, he didn't try to cover it up once it was exposed (not that I don't disapprove of them for wasting that money). Far worse things have happened with the public only learning of it years later.

I'm a socialist myself. I'd like to see our contry be more like the socialist countries of Europe, who have thriving economies and happy, healthy citizens. We as Canadians seem to look only to the south for political comparisons, when there are so many better examples of how a country can and should be run just across the ocean.

 

*sucks back a rum and coke made with some of the 2L of rum my folks brought me back from the Dominican*

*relaxes*

Thanks Leigh, I needed that

Jon

 

Horray! Rather than waste my money on a gun registry, or some good old fashioned pork barreling, the government can now waste it on a missile defene program that will never get used, and won't work if it is used.

I just hope we get to revisit abortion rights, or maybe start teaching "Intelligent Design" in school.

 

yeah, would be nice if it was only $2 a gallon here, instead its nearly double!

Last summer in the states it cost me $23 US to fill up my car, here it costs nearly $60.

Even after the conversion, wtf.

 

Deisel is more expensive than gas. Figure that out. Deisel is a by-product of gas production.

 

A message to Mr. Paul Martin:

"Hey Paul--- let's make one thing perfectly clear: YOU'RE FIRED!"

But after two years of dithering and falsely painting his opposition as the antichrist, at least Mr. Martin had the class to admit defeat gracefully and not contest the outcome. It now appears that he intends to resign.

Watch and see if he doesn't magically "regain" ownership of Canadian Steamship Lines, a company that he gave to his sons (at least on paper) to avoid being in a conflict of interest while serving as PM.

Those who predicted a Conservative minority, take a bow and a victory lap.

As for those Liberal voters who think the world as they know it is about to end, RELAX! It'll be ok. Besides, with this Conservative win (albiet a minority government) the separatist movement in Alberta will be effectively stalled--- at least until the next Liberal majority...

 

area of greatest surprise the way vancouver voted... strange

 

Vancouver probably voted Liberal because it either likes our "Liberal" government in BC, or it hates the provincial government which is in reality a very right wing party.

I have a fabulous idea, why don't we just vote on what policies we want and whoever's running the country is bound by law and pain of death to do so to the maximum extent that is possible. We could have annual policy votes, which could get us just what we want without all this partisan fighting and lying.

I'd vote to have it done that way!

Oh yea: get ready to bend over and take whatever outdated fundamentalist policies Harper has in store for us. I beleive that all persons, no matter what, have equal rights to things like marriage (gays too), health care (poor people too, meaning public system, no private), and higher education (poor people too), amongst others. Harper stands against things like these.

 

Not really. Vancouver has always leaned far enough to the left to require walking with a crutch most of the time. Lots of peacnics, NDP, socialist and enviro-**** types in that neck of the woods. Martin's scare tactics worked on them in a big way.

 

Public health care will still be there. With everyone complaining about how long it takes to get in I can't see why making some of it private would hurt. I had a buddy that had a busted nose and he was told to wait for 6 hours just to be told his nose was broken and he would have to come back the next day. If someone needs attention they should be able to pay more to get it, instead of just taking a number. The gun registration is what really got me, how is it supposed to decrease crime? Who actually believes criminals would register their guns anyways. I would like to see less money going to "help" the natives. They should split the reserves up, give each family their percentage and give them tax breaks for 2 years so they can get on their feet and then end it. Thats a huge money drain. This is just hear say but I remember hearing that when NDP refers to low income they mean damn low, $60,000 a year shared income in a house was considered upper middle class, meaning they would get taxed more if NDP was in. I think the problem with this country is there are too many people becoming dependant on government hand outs.
I'm glad conservatives got a minority but I would have liked to see a majority for sure.

 

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I have a fabulous idea, why don't we just vote on what policies we want and whoever's running the country is bound by law and pain of death to do so to the maximum extent that is possible. We could have annual policy votes, which could get us just what we want without all this partisan fighting and lying.

They'd never allow it because it makes too much sense. The Liberals would have been even less likely to support such a system than the Conservatives.


Oh yea: get ready to bend over and take whatever outdated fundamentalist policies Harper has in store for us.

Relax-- it ain't gonna happen.

I beleive that all persons, no matter what, have equal rights to things like marriage (gays too), health care (poor people too, meaning public system, no private), and higher education (poor people too), amongst others.

So do I and most Conservatives, the loud and ultra right minority of Conservatives notwithstanding.

Harper stands against things like these

As for the gay marriage issue, a large percentage of Martin's caucus was against gay marriage, but the party whip "whipped" them into voting for it. Harper may not be too keen on the idea, but it's of low priority to him personally on the grand scale of the issues at hand, and he's already stated that if there was a free vote on the issue and the rights of gays to marry stood he'd honour the results.

The health care scare that Martin duped you with was without merritt--- we already have a two-tier system. Harper believes that nobody should be denied health care and that regardless of the presence of private clinics, public health care must be made available to those who cannot afford the private clinics. He even wants to have patients on waiting lists to have the option of going state-side if necessary for surgury, with our healthcare system picking up the tab. Martin wouldn't support this initiative.

As for higher education, Martin didn't open that vault until he was absolutely desperate for votes--- and if he'd won he would have slammed the vault shut again. Harper is in no way against higher education, in spite of what Martin and his supporters would have you believe.

 

in my /local/ hospital I've never had to wait more than 30 minutes for care.
I hope that never changes.

you can't just expect people that have got handouts all their life to "get on their feet" it won't happen.

I dunno, I guess I'll see how it works out.. I just hope gas gets cheaper!

 

vancouver has too many gays in it. protesting against harper.

 

Congratulations, you just made the dumbest post in this thread.



Well I don't see much of anything changing unless Harper can find some neutral ground with one or more of the other parties. The proportion of seats is really the worst it could be for a party to actually try and put forth a mandate.

It is really up Harper now to try and convince the cities of Toronto and Vancouver that the Tories deserve a seats in those ridings next time at the polls.

The liberals on the other hand have to find a new leader, my only fear is that it will be Belinda Stronach. I was surprised to see that she won again. I work in her riding and there were a lot of people that were extremely pissed about her crossing the floor. She got as much television coverage in Ontario last night as the party leaders.

 

Yeah, I can't understand her getting re-elected...

Actually, I hope she does lead the next Liberal party, as I think it would give the Conservatives a better chance to get a majority.

In the final analysis it would seem that voters in urban Ontario and BC realized that the Liberals were going to lose and would thus be punished, but went back to them in order to keep the Conservatives from having a majority out a lack of trust. Still, I'm glad we've finally got the possiblity for change and positive development, and for the first time in a very long time, I have at least some trust in our PM. However, if the Conservatives demonstrate in this term that they are not extremists and that they are honest and competant, then I'll be very angry if they don't receive a real mandate from the East.

 

^ +1


thats what i think (everyonce in a while i pull the briain out of the closset and use it)


give em a chance, cause i mean the only thing that i believe coudl be worse than a liberal majority is a NDP Majority (not to be hatefull or anything) i really likes NDP's ideas of social programs (mabee the Blues and reds can take the pick of litter for ideas) then what can anyone complain? i just can't stand some of the other things that the NDP wants to do, like eliminate private health care, i think that if used withen reason it can be a very very good thing.

My brothers boss shot himself in the hand with a nail gun (roofing so it is the barbed nails) and then had to wait for 3+ hours to even get looked at, that is the BS i am want to see go if it can or even just lower times, like 30 min is still kinda long if you have seomthing liek that but it's alot better than freaking sitting for hours.

i have had one insidence where i needed the hospital and i got in quick and out no problems. that is cause i never went to Red Deers main hospital i went to a near by towns. and it was deader then stick. so i got in got my x ray and done and everythign and was out. in that case the system worked cause i worked it. but most of the time it is long long long waits, over here in Alberta.




Prôdigy

 

I'm sure Frank dished out some coin to get Belinda some heavy airtime. Her getting re-elected was a big surprise. I figured it was back to Magma for her

Interesting that Michael Ignatieff won in Etobikoke-Lakeshore. Guess he managed to do what the Liberals brought him in to do. I'm surprised considering he publicly said the crime problem was overexaggerated...I don't live there, so maybe it is.

 

I see your in vancouver, I guess you know whats going on out there