Originally Posted by ACR_RX-7
(Post 12175359)
I noticed you crimped all the grounds on the IGN coils together. Not saying you did anything wrong, but I did come across a thread at some point where that was done and it caused spark breakup at high RPMs. Maybe they had theirs wired differently?
to my knowledge all the IGN-1A "plug and play" kits are wired the same way I have it wired with just a single ground. |
I found the link to the thread. David Hayes used AEM coils.
https://www.rx7club.com/build-thread.../#post12135885 The stock coils are not inductive, so they do operate a little differently on the inside. |
Originally Posted by ACR_RX-7
(Post 12175377)
I found the link to the thread. David Hayes used AEM coils.
https://www.rx7club.com/build-thread.../#post12135885 The stock coils are not inductive, so they do operate a little differently on the inside. |
I even found this on DIYAutoTune's site. I just want to see your build succeed. I am living vicariously through others at this point since my car and its progress is moving at a glacial pace.
https://www.diyautotune.com/product/ign-1a-race-coil/ |
tonight I made an extension hose for the turbo coolant drain:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/68...=w1679-h944-no and buttoned up the EWP setup w/ the hose in place: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/9E...=w1679-h944-no |
So, last night I redid the subharness connector for the coils and made it a 6 pin and ran a sensor ground (so I don't have to tear the harness apart to add it later). I'm going to use the sensor ground for the v2 harness that I'll make later (when I get more pins for the IGN-1A coils).
for now I'm just going to wire it up how I was going to to get the car working. also important note: the megasquirt's coil on plug outputs are a bit weird FYI: EDIT: this appears to be only for the gold box. Follow the manual :) Spark A - rotor 1 leading Spark B - rotor 1 trailing Spark C - rotor 2 trailing Spark D - rotor 2 leading https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_v...=w1750-h984-no https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-m...=w1750-h984-no https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/22...H=w554-h984-no |
Originally Posted by eage8
(Post 12176109)
also important note: the megasquirt's coil on plug outputs are a bit weird FYI:
Spark A - rotor 1 leading Spark B - rotor 1 trailing Spark C - rotor 2 trailing Spark D - rotor 2 leading I had: Spark A - rotor 1 leading Spark B - rotor 1 trailing Spark C - rotor 2 leading Spark D - rotor 2 trailing That would mean I was firing the rear rotor with -15* split under boost :squintfin Both EGT sensors failed on the dyno, but they were pretty close when they worked on the street. I also ran both coil grounds to the common ground for the ECU. I had no problems with spark and ran it as high as 30psi and 1000cc of water. On GM truck coils and $3 NGK BR10EGs. |
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...34ce47ed45.png
If you're running COP RX8 mode, it looks like it's supposed to be how I had it wired. |
Originally Posted by Shainiac
(Post 12176173)
Is that right?
I had: Spark A - rotor 1 leading Spark B - rotor 1 trailing Spark C - rotor 2 leading Spark D - rotor 2 trailing That would mean I was firing the rear rotor with -15* split under boost :squintfin Both EGT sensors failed on the dyno, but they were pretty close when they worked on the street. I also ran both coil grounds to the common ground for the ECU. I had no problems with spark and ran it as high as 30psi and 1000cc of water. On GM truck coils and $3 NGK BR10EGs. MS3XV357_Hardware-1.4 page 111 MS3_Gold_Hardware-1.4 page 90 I'll have to validate I'm actually firing the right coils... |
Originally Posted by eage8
(Post 12176178)
it looks like the gold box is different from a normal MS3X for some reason:
MS3XV357_Hardware-1.4 page 111 MS3_Gold_Hardware-1.4 page 90 I'll have to validate I'm actually firing the right coils... |
I thought the firmware dictates the firing order?
The goldbox and MS3X use the same firmware, so as long as it knows which coil drivers are A,B,C,D,ect, they should be the same. I know the MS3X, Goldbox and MS3Pro all use the same coil drivers for the same cylinders on an LS engine anyway. My work's internet blocked MSextra.com, but I'll take a look later today. |
It could simply be the pin assignments are different, but you are right. The firmware "should" dictate which driver fires.
It's easy enough to figure out on the car once to that point, but it is curious. |
My point is that if Pins A,B,C,D must correlate to Spark A, B, C, D for ANY engine configuration to work. And I've ran the same firmware on MS3X, Goldbox, MS3Pro, and MS3Pro Ultimate and all have ran LS engines just fine.
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I see your point. I still think it's bizarre the differences.
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I talked to Muythaibxr about the spark outputs... and he wasn't sure about the difference so he pinged James (the other msextra programmer), and he thinks it's probably doc error... I'll set it up like the MS3X docs say and test it with the timing light when it's running just to be sure.
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Just curious...how did you set your FFE trigger wheel to TDC? I have a racing beat pulley so my TDC is correct but I have no marking on my wheel as to what TDC is. So where is your "empty tooth" space when the engine is at TDC?
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Originally Posted by driftxsequence
(Post 12176717)
Just curious...how did you set your FFE trigger wheel to TDC? I have a racing beat pulley so my TDC is correct but I have no marking on my wheel as to what TDC is. So where is your "empty tooth" space when the engine is at TDC?
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Getting close...
the EWP controller is in the glovebox: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/0o...=w1663-h935-no I wired up 2 relays for the fans triggered by the EWP controller: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Kl...=w1663-h935-no the ECU plate is in place, just a few more wires and it'll be ready to start. then I need to start wrapping the harness: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/cx...=w1663-h935-no Last weekend I autocrossed my friend's C6 Z06 again. Still getting use to throttle by wire... but I'm getting better at it. The plan for this weekend is to race the C6 Z06 up in Pittsburgh for an autocross national match tour on Saturday and then come home and race the FC at a local even on Sunday if it's ready... |
You can do it! Plus we all need to hear this beast at full tilt again
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Originally Posted by eage8
(Post 12177662)
Getting close...
the EWP controller is in the glovebox: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/0o...=w1663-h935-no I wired up 2 relays for the fans triggered by the EWP controller: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Kl...=w1663-h935-no the ECU plate is in place, just a few more wires and it'll be ready to start. then I need to start wrapping the harness: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/cx...=w1663-h935-no Last weekend I autocrossed my friend's C6 Z06 again. Still getting use to throttle by wire... but I'm getting better at it. The plan for this weekend is to race the C6 Z06 up in Pittsburgh for an autocross national match tour on Saturday and then come home and race the FC at a local even on Sunday if it's ready... LOVING the progress!!! Could you share the brand of those relay/harness? |
Originally Posted by KNONFS
(Post 12177699)
LOVING the progress!!!
Could you share the brand of those relay/harness? I've also been using these for all my crimps and they're really nice, heat shrink and adhesive lined: |
I ran out of butt connectors :p: so last night I just tied up lose ends...
I also started putting the harness in a loom. I'll probably only half finish this before the race this weekend and then come back to it. but it's looking pretty good so far: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/jQ...=w1579-h888-no https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Fb...T=w500-h888-no |
I finished wiring everything last night... turned everything on, bled the cooling system (really easy with an EWP :) )
updated the firmware on the gold box and imported my tune... everything went fine. but when I checked all the sensors, my MAP is reading completely wrong. after checking things, the voltage coming out of my new 3 bar GM MAP sensor (goldbox uses an external sensor) is ~4.4V at 100 kpa (normal pressure).... which is very wrong. (should be ~1.6V) I plugged in my spare (that I got from the same place), also the same 4.4V. checked my baro correction 1 bar sensor... 0.6V. also wrong (it should be ~4.7V lol) so apparently all my MAP sensors are wrong... which is odd. I verified their getting 5V, so I'm not sure what else could be wrong with the wiring. |
Your power and ground wires might be swapped to the sensors, or the pinout was somehow incorrect. GM sensors should be A- Ground B- Sensor output C-5V ref
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Originally Posted by ACR_RX-7
(Post 12178499)
Your power and ground wires might be swapped to the sensors, or the pinout was somehow incorrect. GM sensors should be A- Ground B- Sensor output C-5V ref
Which is annoying because I definitely checked that last night and thought I confirmed it was correct (somehow) |
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