Project Resurrection: Running Log
05-11-12, 12:52 PM
#452
I'll give you a ring later on, maybe we can team up on this tomorrow?
05-11-12, 01:32 PM
#453
Actually it sounds like it's not, which is why I tested ignition output first; nice fat sparks on both lead plug wires while cranking.
With the exception of maybe two chugs, I heard nothing sounding like actual combustion taking place.
Easy enough, sinc I have no AC installed. Will do tonight.
"Run" hasn't been an issue yet; got solid spark activity during cranking, though.
I've double-checked & they seem fine. There's only one "old" line involved (for the altitude compensator) as it's a formed hose; trying to replace it with silicone causes the hose to fold over. I don't think they are available any more. IT was fine on removal.
With the exception of maybe two chugs, I heard nothing sounding like actual combustion taking place.
Easy enough, sinc I have no AC installed. Will do tonight.
I've double-checked & they seem fine. There's only one "old" line involved (for the altitude compensator) as it's a formed hose; trying to replace it with silicone causes the hose to fold over. I don't think they are available any more. IT was fine on removal.
05-11-12, 02:17 PM
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i've had reluctant engines too, usually they are either flooded, full of assembly goop or other.
i do like, and i assume you cranked the engine over without the plugs in it, it will spit out most of the assembly lube that way...
the other thing it can be, and this is rare, because 99% of the time its flooded, but sometimes you get no fuel. it'll happily crank over, and it'll make a dub dub dub sound because it has compression, but no fuel = no fire.
i would restab the distributor, crank it over with no plugs, and then try with spark plugs. if it doesn't fire, then maybe it wants some gas/oil down the carb
i do like, and i assume you cranked the engine over without the plugs in it, it will spit out most of the assembly lube that way...
the other thing it can be, and this is rare, because 99% of the time its flooded, but sometimes you get no fuel. it'll happily crank over, and it'll make a dub dub dub sound because it has compression, but no fuel = no fire.
i would restab the distributor, crank it over with no plugs, and then try with spark plugs. if it doesn't fire, then maybe it wants some gas/oil down the carb
05-11-12, 02:47 PM
#456
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DD gates has this product it like a spring and you slide over the hose and form and it keeps hose from collapsing ... just sayyin
fyi I can't swear on thr diameter hoses they make them for at the moment
DD Just struck me ... I will admit you probably wouldn't make the same mistake as frankly your more detailed with you car .... the e-shaft pulley ... I managed one time to put it on 90 degrees off ... once figured out removed and replaced one bolt over ... restabbed dizzy ... engine fired right up ...
fyi I can't swear on thr diameter hoses they make them for at the moment
DD Just struck me ... I will admit you probably wouldn't make the same mistake as frankly your more detailed with you car .... the e-shaft pulley ... I managed one time to put it on 90 degrees off ... once figured out removed and replaced one bolt over ... restabbed dizzy ... engine fired right up ...
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05-11-12, 04:05 PM
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Absolutely I am... I'm trying to get finished, smogged, and registered in time to drive out to the WHiV5 meet in Vegas on Friday. I can still make it, if I can get ducks back in line over the weekend.
I'll give you a ring later on, maybe we can team up on this tomorrow?
I'll give you a ring later on, maybe we can team up on this tomorrow?
05-11-12, 04:13 PM
#458
I've seen those hose forming springs at PepBoys, by Goodyear, but I think they are mainly for larger hoses. Such could be faked up with a spring from the hardware store, though. May be worth pursuing, though the 'old' hose still fits tolerable tight.
On an SA motor with OEM pulleys, it's not possible to mis-index the marked pulley; it's literally riveted to the e-shaft end piece (rivet visible upper right):
All good ideas folks; keep 'em coming!
I picked up some starting fluid and a small bottle of 2-stroke oil during lunch time.
I have to admit that I hate having to dink with the fuel system; I'm kind of a pyrophobe at heart. Comes from having been on fire, previously (not car related) - - tends to make you leery around flammables.
On an SA motor with OEM pulleys, it's not possible to mis-index the marked pulley; it's literally riveted to the e-shaft end piece (rivet visible upper right):
All good ideas folks; keep 'em coming!
I picked up some starting fluid and a small bottle of 2-stroke oil during lunch time.
I have to admit that I hate having to dink with the fuel system; I'm kind of a pyrophobe at heart. Comes from having been on fire, previously (not car related) - - tends to make you leery around flammables.
damn was hoping was not the only one to do that lol
05-11-12, 04:41 PM
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I picked up some starting fluid and a small bottle of 2-stroke oil during lunch time.
I have to admit that I hate having to dink with the fuel system; I'm kind of a pyrophobe at heart. Comes from having been on fire, previously (not car related) - - tends to make you leery around flammables.
05-11-12, 09:15 PM
#462
Compression tester is one tool I don't own; I'd appreciate it if you could bring one along if you can come by tomorrow.
Just finished restabbing the dizzy; looked like it was fine. No change.
2-sec shot of starting fluid... no change.
Put a quarter CC of 2-stroke oil in each primary... no change.
Just finished restabbing the dizzy; looked like it was fine. No change.
2-sec shot of starting fluid... no change.
Put a quarter CC of 2-stroke oil in each primary... no change.
05-11-12, 09:40 PM
#464
I double checked the color codes at the coils, and they are correct; blue-capped wires are trailing & on the front coil, black-capped wires are leading and on the rear coil.
My plug wires are labelled, and look to be correct.
I didn't change or remove connections at the ignitor box, just removed it as a unit. The pickups are on a unitized connector, so no way I could have swapped them.
05-12-12, 01:11 AM
#465
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well the starting fluid with no differance eliminated a fuel issue
so that leaves spark and timing
spark confirmed
that would have me chasing timing
something not hooked up right ... crossfiring under cap I would tend to believe would sound like it was trying to fire up
new plugs or cleaned plugs? grounding strap?
so that leaves spark and timing
spark confirmed
that would have me chasing timing
something not hooked up right ... crossfiring under cap I would tend to believe would sound like it was trying to fire up
new plugs or cleaned plugs? grounding strap?
05-12-12, 10:39 AM
#466
Plugs are brand new.
Grounding.... well, the starter is happy with the ground, and the bowl vent solenoid (which grounds at the carb) is pulling in with an audible snap. But I haven't directly measured the block ground. I'll ohm that out today.
80's Old School (Jim) is bringing a standard compression tester by, so we can get at least a feel for seal health.
He's also bringing his set of calibrated eyeballs; after staring at this project for 6 months, I may be overlooking the obvious through familiarity. Like trying to proofread your own writing.
Grounding.... well, the starter is happy with the ground, and the bowl vent solenoid (which grounds at the carb) is pulling in with an audible snap. But I haven't directly measured the block ground. I'll ohm that out today.
80's Old School (Jim) is bringing a standard compression tester by, so we can get at least a feel for seal health.
He's also bringing his set of calibrated eyeballs; after staring at this project for 6 months, I may be overlooking the obvious through familiarity. Like trying to proofread your own writing.
05-12-12, 01:46 PM
#468
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exactly DD thats what I am thinking, just a little burnout. I had one dizzy that was arching under the cap also had an issue where the dizzy itself wasn't grounding properly ... whatever it is will probably be a "ah duh" moment
05-12-12, 04:45 PM
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After I swapped the wires, she still wouldn't quite light off, but I figured there was a fair chance that she was pretty soundly flooded by now. Jim showed up, and he agreed, so we went through checking compression (a bit low, but even all around) and did a de-flood, creating a truly ominous gas-vapor cloud in my (gas water-heater-equipped) garage, which took a few minutes to dissipate.
Then I turned on the video camera, walked to the car, pulled the choke, spun the key, and she lit off within just a few turns of the e-shaft. Ran a bit rough for the first 10 seconds, then steadied right down, warmed up, came off choke on her own, and idled like a kitten.
Temendous sigh of relief. She's idling beautifully though a touch high; next step is to put the steering wheel back on, take her down off the skates, and do a careful test cruise around the neighborhood... then tune the idle and mix.
Leak check after first heat cycele - - no leaks. Bowl check showed normal levels that remain essentially unchanged a couple hours later so far.
Tonight and tomorrow, I am tackling the fuel filter, soft line replacement & replacing the vapor valve on top the gas tank.
Leaving four whole evenings to deal with smog check, registration, cleaning, and convincing myself she's sound enough to round-trip to Vegas.
Then I turned on the video camera, walked to the car, pulled the choke, spun the key, and she lit off within just a few turns of the e-shaft. Ran a bit rough for the first 10 seconds, then steadied right down, warmed up, came off choke on her own, and idled like a kitten.
Temendous sigh of relief. She's idling beautifully though a touch high; next step is to put the steering wheel back on, take her down off the skates, and do a careful test cruise around the neighborhood... then tune the idle and mix.
Leak check after first heat cycele - - no leaks. Bowl check showed normal levels that remain essentially unchanged a couple hours later so far.
Tonight and tomorrow, I am tackling the fuel filter, soft line replacement & replacing the vapor valve on top the gas tank.
Leaving four whole evenings to deal with smog check, registration, cleaning, and convincing myself she's sound enough to round-trip to Vegas.