Adam's 02' S8 FD3S Widebody
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Last edited by Enigmatic; 04-12-18 at 06:44 AM.
#28
Nope? Never even thought about it! I don't think anyone would ever go back to stock body after going wide. I've never looked at a stock bodied FD and regretted my decision. The feed fenders give the FD the aggressive lines it needs to modernise it (I think).
Plus you'd run into issues running any reasonable wheel and tyre combo if you didn't cut, re-weld and make new wheel wells. Which is the whole point of going wide!
Plus you'd run into issues running any reasonable wheel and tyre combo if you didn't cut, re-weld and make new wheel wells. Which is the whole point of going wide!
Last edited by Enigmatic; 04-13-18 at 07:20 PM.
#29
#30
Little update - Tails & Brakes
Finally took my Car Shop GLOW lights off which have been busted for like a year and sent them back to Japan - turns out they had a bad seal and had rusted up inside. I've left them there for the moment to decide if I'll have him re-build them or not.
I replaced them with some prototypes that my friend Landon from FD3S Nation put together. Originally they were to be diffused but there was light bleed issues so he did an individual LED version to get the prototype out the door to me. Eventually a second diffused version will hopefully be made. I really like the design and think it's a really nice and simple shape that lends itself to the lines of the car. Eventually I will have to take them off and send them back to be amended - the resistors used in the prototype set left some brightness on the table so will exchange them.
Can see videos of them on the FD3S website.
I also finally got to do my brakes. I researched extensively, looking for kits that incorporated the handbrake and found 3 companies that I believe all source their calipers from the same place. PB Brakes, Ceika and Rolloface all seem to use a similar set up and all offer a proprietary line lock system that allows you to retain the hand brake. They also all sent me the exact same templates for measuring set ups. Each company has a slightly different package though and Rolloface offer incredible finishes.
I was going to pull the trigger on a 6 pot front 4 pot rear from Rolloface when I came across WP Pro. My intention for the brakes was mostly aesthetic, my old Project Mu set up was amazing. I definitely didn't need more braking power, this is just something I'd always wanted to do. But I also didn't really want to slow the car down with massively heavy brakes.
Enter WP Pro - these guys make some amazing brakes and rotors, and have been since the 80's. Aripin (the owner of WP Pro) suggested utilising the stock rear caliper seeing as I didn't really need the larger piston and using custom brackets like Sakebomb to use a larger rotor.
Their manufacturing process involves a 2000 ton forging process using 6061 T6 aluminium alloy and CNC billet machining. The calipers include 3 piston seals and Japanese made 6.3mm transfer pipes. But the real beauty is the weight. Their ultralite rotors are considerably lighter than stock despite being much bigger.
I went with a 6 pot, medium piston front caliper and 360mm rotors + 345mm rear rotors with the stock caliper.
Here are the weight comparisons:
WEIGHTS OF COMPONENTS
FRONT ROTORS;
OLD 7kg
NEW 7kg
FRONT CALIPERS;
OLD 3.5kg
NEW (with bracket) 5.0 kg
REAR ROTOR;
OLD 6.7 kg
NEW 5.5 kg
REAR CALIPERS;
OLD 5.8 kg
NEW (with bracket) 6.0 KG
So I actually reduced the unsprung weight of the rear despite going to a 345mm disc and overall broke even.
How does it feel? Totally different but it's still bedding in. There is slightly more pedal travel because of the larger caliper - and am considering doing the upgraded master cylinder to bring back the stock pedal feel but also getting used to the longer travel and smoother braking feel. However, if you really need to pull up and stomp on it, it'll put you through the windshield. Totally didn't need them, but they are incredible and look incredible.
If you are interested in the kits that retain the rear caliper, Reu has the PB Brake full kit, and Socal has the Rolloface kit which looks amazing too.
As always, can see more on my IG @adlawd
Finally took my Car Shop GLOW lights off which have been busted for like a year and sent them back to Japan - turns out they had a bad seal and had rusted up inside. I've left them there for the moment to decide if I'll have him re-build them or not.
I replaced them with some prototypes that my friend Landon from FD3S Nation put together. Originally they were to be diffused but there was light bleed issues so he did an individual LED version to get the prototype out the door to me. Eventually a second diffused version will hopefully be made. I really like the design and think it's a really nice and simple shape that lends itself to the lines of the car. Eventually I will have to take them off and send them back to be amended - the resistors used in the prototype set left some brightness on the table so will exchange them.
Can see videos of them on the FD3S website.
I also finally got to do my brakes. I researched extensively, looking for kits that incorporated the handbrake and found 3 companies that I believe all source their calipers from the same place. PB Brakes, Ceika and Rolloface all seem to use a similar set up and all offer a proprietary line lock system that allows you to retain the hand brake. They also all sent me the exact same templates for measuring set ups. Each company has a slightly different package though and Rolloface offer incredible finishes.
I was going to pull the trigger on a 6 pot front 4 pot rear from Rolloface when I came across WP Pro. My intention for the brakes was mostly aesthetic, my old Project Mu set up was amazing. I definitely didn't need more braking power, this is just something I'd always wanted to do. But I also didn't really want to slow the car down with massively heavy brakes.
Enter WP Pro - these guys make some amazing brakes and rotors, and have been since the 80's. Aripin (the owner of WP Pro) suggested utilising the stock rear caliper seeing as I didn't really need the larger piston and using custom brackets like Sakebomb to use a larger rotor.
Their manufacturing process involves a 2000 ton forging process using 6061 T6 aluminium alloy and CNC billet machining. The calipers include 3 piston seals and Japanese made 6.3mm transfer pipes. But the real beauty is the weight. Their ultralite rotors are considerably lighter than stock despite being much bigger.
I went with a 6 pot, medium piston front caliper and 360mm rotors + 345mm rear rotors with the stock caliper.
Here are the weight comparisons:
WEIGHTS OF COMPONENTS
FRONT ROTORS;
OLD 7kg
NEW 7kg
FRONT CALIPERS;
OLD 3.5kg
NEW (with bracket) 5.0 kg
REAR ROTOR;
OLD 6.7 kg
NEW 5.5 kg
REAR CALIPERS;
OLD 5.8 kg
NEW (with bracket) 6.0 KG
So I actually reduced the unsprung weight of the rear despite going to a 345mm disc and overall broke even.
How does it feel? Totally different but it's still bedding in. There is slightly more pedal travel because of the larger caliper - and am considering doing the upgraded master cylinder to bring back the stock pedal feel but also getting used to the longer travel and smoother braking feel. However, if you really need to pull up and stomp on it, it'll put you through the windshield. Totally didn't need them, but they are incredible and look incredible.
If you are interested in the kits that retain the rear caliper, Reu has the PB Brake full kit, and Socal has the Rolloface kit which looks amazing too.
As always, can see more on my IG @adlawd
#31
Thought I'd post here incase anyone might find it interesting.
I decided to change from the 7670 EWG to the EFR 8474 .92 IWG using the full Turblown kit. I documented most of the change but thought I'd just post about that before we have the final results next week.
Raceonly did all the work for me and I got to be a part of the process which was cool. Not being particularly mechanically minded I found a lot of it fascinating.
The change to the 8474 would mean that I needed more fuel and more spark amongst other things. Going from 300rwkw to possibly 450 meant we needed a lot more of both.
We installed:
Also installed a 929 brake master cylinder by Chips Motorsport - highly recommended if you have big brakes to alleviate that spongeness. The price is also amazing for what you get. He also anodised it black for me. Top bloke, top work.
It ended up being smooth sailing (mostly) - the Turblown kit fit flawlessly. The B2A surge is the first iteration and was a bit of a bitch to fit but otherwise quality.
We managed to reuse the hot side intercooler piping and cut it down. A new intake pipe was made to fit back up to the airbox, although the lower radiator hose had to be moved down out of the way. A new dump was made that steps up to 4" past the steering column, then back to 3.5".
I had all the parts powdercoated again except the IC and UIM. I did it in satin forgetting I had it done matte last time, oh well - will do the UIM and LIM in the future.
Everything was fine until this point. We got it on the dyno only to have it lose traction really quickly. We tried a lot of things, changing wheels, headliner glue on the tyres, strapping it differently etc. I had been having issues with the car @ 300kw for some time, in 4th or 5th putting my foot down would just spin the tyres, or so I thought. I thought my tyres were cooked, which they kind of are (5 years old and hard).
However we thought it might've been the diff single pegging? Although it's a torsen so wasn't entirely sure. Regardless the diff would eventually need to be replaced so I went and got a 1.5 Cusco and had Difftechnics rebuild it for me. Changed the bushes and in it went. Nope - still spinning. Omar took it for a drive to check the car out and was then certain it was the clutch - despite not being able to smell it. So I managed to get a second hand ORC twin plate 659 from another FD owner. We pulled the old clutch out and there you have it. Absolutely cooked. Zero meat left on it which is why we couldn't smell it. I'm surprised it hooked up in ANY gear.
We finally got it back on the dyno and managed to do a base run @17psi. Here's the run overlayed against a set of matey sp twins @ 17psi. It's still a very fat tune. More refining and more fuel and boost to come.
Here's a very rich run where we ran out of injector at 22psi overlayed against my 7670 run. You can see it pretty much just blows it out of the water everywhere. The reason it's still rich as Omar kept it fat when it was spinning to be safe, he just started to trim it out when he realised after this run he'd have to change the injectors so we stopped.
We've installed 2400cc primaries now and will be back on the dyno next week to run it up proper.
More pics here in this imgur album, and lots more on my IG stories @adlawd.
I decided to change from the 7670 EWG to the EFR 8474 .92 IWG using the full Turblown kit. I documented most of the change but thought I'd just post about that before we have the final results next week.
Raceonly did all the work for me and I got to be a part of the process which was cool. Not being particularly mechanically minded I found a lot of it fascinating.
The change to the 8474 would mean that I needed more fuel and more spark amongst other things. Going from 300rwkw to possibly 450 meant we needed a lot more of both.
We installed:
- IGN1-A coil kit by Raceonly
- Built2Apex in-tank surge with my old 450lph pump as the lifter and two 450lph e85 pumps staged
- 4 x 2400cc Siemenes Deka injectors which meant new rails.
- Adaptronic Modular ECU
Also installed a 929 brake master cylinder by Chips Motorsport - highly recommended if you have big brakes to alleviate that spongeness. The price is also amazing for what you get. He also anodised it black for me. Top bloke, top work.
It ended up being smooth sailing (mostly) - the Turblown kit fit flawlessly. The B2A surge is the first iteration and was a bit of a bitch to fit but otherwise quality.
We managed to reuse the hot side intercooler piping and cut it down. A new intake pipe was made to fit back up to the airbox, although the lower radiator hose had to be moved down out of the way. A new dump was made that steps up to 4" past the steering column, then back to 3.5".
I had all the parts powdercoated again except the IC and UIM. I did it in satin forgetting I had it done matte last time, oh well - will do the UIM and LIM in the future.
Everything was fine until this point. We got it on the dyno only to have it lose traction really quickly. We tried a lot of things, changing wheels, headliner glue on the tyres, strapping it differently etc. I had been having issues with the car @ 300kw for some time, in 4th or 5th putting my foot down would just spin the tyres, or so I thought. I thought my tyres were cooked, which they kind of are (5 years old and hard).
However we thought it might've been the diff single pegging? Although it's a torsen so wasn't entirely sure. Regardless the diff would eventually need to be replaced so I went and got a 1.5 Cusco and had Difftechnics rebuild it for me. Changed the bushes and in it went. Nope - still spinning. Omar took it for a drive to check the car out and was then certain it was the clutch - despite not being able to smell it. So I managed to get a second hand ORC twin plate 659 from another FD owner. We pulled the old clutch out and there you have it. Absolutely cooked. Zero meat left on it which is why we couldn't smell it. I'm surprised it hooked up in ANY gear.
We finally got it back on the dyno and managed to do a base run @17psi. Here's the run overlayed against a set of matey sp twins @ 17psi. It's still a very fat tune. More refining and more fuel and boost to come.
Here's a very rich run where we ran out of injector at 22psi overlayed against my 7670 run. You can see it pretty much just blows it out of the water everywhere. The reason it's still rich as Omar kept it fat when it was spinning to be safe, he just started to trim it out when he realised after this run he'd have to change the injectors so we stopped.
We've installed 2400cc primaries now and will be back on the dyno next week to run it up proper.
More pics here in this imgur album, and lots more on my IG stories @adlawd.
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Macer (09-09-19)
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Luke did you get another FD?
Adam's car final power run below;
Adam's car final power run below;
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