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R-R-Rx7 01-09-23 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by gracer7-rx7 (Post 12545674)
We definitely read it :)
I have the RE-medy for 12 years now. knock on wood...

It may be an isolated event because when i had the re-medy previously i had no issues- dating back 2007 or so.
Or who knows the quality might have went to shit since then.
. i have decided to bring the pump back to the us with me and send it to mazmart and see what they say.


i have been plenty happy with the oem pump for years and if I change it it will be with an EWP system through the pdm otherwise the stock waterpump will remain

Carlos Iglesias 01-10-23 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by R-R-Rx7 (Post 12545756)
...and if I change it it will be with an EWP system through the pdm otherwise the stock waterpump will remain

I PWM'ed the EWP and fan and love the setup... if/when the day comes, let me know how I can help. It would be just a little payback for how much I've enjoyed your build.

R-R-Rx7 01-10-23 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by Carlos Iglesias (Post 12545827)
I PWM'ed the EWP and fan and love the setup... if/when the day comes, let me know how I can help. It would be just a little payback for how much I've enjoyed your build.

That is very nice of you Carlos. The feeling is mutual and I have a lot of respect for your build and your positive attitude. The fact that you can fabricate your own stuff also, makes your build more enjoyable as opposed to slapping parts together. and with a gorgeous garage with all your equipment! :eek:
I will take you up on your offer. It will take a while but its definitely happening !!

I used similar logic for the methanol pump and i do not use any controller. i am assuming it will be something similar for the EWP.
(not trying to take the credit for it but John Renna did the logic, not me LOL)

TwinCharged RX7 01-10-23 06:43 PM

Curious. For the meth pump. I've seen PWM done 2 ways. Did you PWM the pump directly, or full voltage on pump and is a PWM to control a solenoid near the nozzle?

R-R-Rx7 01-11-23 03:36 AM


Originally Posted by TwinCharged RX7 (Post 12545896)
Curious. For the meth pump. I've seen PWM done 2 ways. Did you PWM the pump directly, or full voltage on pump and is a PWM to control a solenoid near the nozzle?

i pwm the pump directly.
i am however planning on adding a solenoid

https://www.nitrousexpress.com/snow-...-sno-40060.asp

as when i leave the car overnight i do get water in the engine.
this solenoid will be enabled by the pdm when theres power and boost present while the pump kicks in over 14 or so psi
i can upload a screenshot of the logic if you like

TwinCharged RX7 01-11-23 12:57 PM

Cool. Thanks for sharing. I was planning to PDM the pump as well, but will look into the solenoid. I think just need to make sure the pump has the internal bypass/regulator built into it. I know the pumps all look the same, but I heard some do not (not sure if true or not)

R-R-Rx7 01-17-23 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by TwinCharged RX7 (Post 12545984)
Cool. Thanks for sharing. I was planning to PDM the pump as well, but will look into the solenoid. I think just need to make sure the pump has the internal bypass/regulator built into it. I know the pumps all look the same, but I heard some do not (not sure if true or not)

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...14d4c6e9ac.jpg
Colin,

This is how we set the logic for the pump

I am using the devilsown methanol pump. I am not aware of any differences between the pumps but we did test this with the mityvac vacuum/pressure gun and it works perfectly
definitely the way to go if you want my opinion but i am planning to add further stuff to my system including a methanol flow sensor.

I have also replaced the level sensor . i initially had the self-sealing float switch which i think it is total garbage
http://www.alcohol-injection.com/939...oat-switch.jpg

I have replaced it with this and i have been extremely happy so far
https://www.mouser.com/images/sensat...00D3SH_SPL.jpg
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/...00D3SH/8569497
I did go with the M12x1 option
Datasheet: https://www.sstsensing.com/wp-conten...LDigital-1.pdf

mr2peak 03-07-23 09:13 AM

Wow this is a serious labor of love. Glad I stopped by to check out what you've been up to!

R-R-Rx7 03-07-23 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by mr2peak (Post 12551783)
Wow this is a serious labor of love. Glad I stopped by to check out what you've been up to!

thanks man appreciated

i will be going back in a few days hopefully i will get to enjoy it a little more this time

gracer7-rx7 03-09-23 11:44 AM

Best build thread ever :)

R-R-Rx7 03-09-23 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by gracer7-rx7 (Post 12552033)
Best build thread ever :)

Thanks dude thats very nice of you to say
its far from perfect, i dont think its the best build thread ever but your words honor me.
I love to experiment especially in design and manufacturing (since i do this for a living ) and come up with stuff that others dont.

But because of your nice words, expect updates coming next week

R-R-Rx7 04-07-23 06:36 PM

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...ba154fed7.jpeg
I am gonna drop this here for now before i go write a whole essay with the updates and the issues.
Some of the exterior updates, and back with the oem wing at the track


R-R-Rx7 04-09-23 01:16 PM

i will start with the obvious changes as shown with the above picture
the canards and the hood carbon duct garnish from re-amemiya.

I wasnt sure how these duct garnish would look. I bought them several years ago but i i didnt want to drill the hood to install them. I am planning to strip the car completely for a respray so i figured it would be the best time to try them out. If i dont like them i will plug the holes and repaint it. Overall i think they look great in person

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...d62d2c0f44.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...dc3321cf66.jpg

I had previously installed the 3 piece canard kit from FEED but it only lasted a couple of days before my pants got caught on the sharp tips. First i broke the one side, and 10 minutes i broke the other side. It didnt feel like the carbon feed used was durable nevermind the tips being exposed..
I initially decided to reverse engineer the feed third canard. After i cut a few of them i realized that they will probably have the same fate as the original 2 that i broke with the only different that they will cause a lot more damage if i was to hit someone so i scrapped that idea pretty quickly. They were razor sharp thin.
Since i did not like the feed design, I wanted to remake them to fit perfectly on the 2 piece canard first and be safe in the event that something would happen.

A shop i was doing some work in the past had this car in their shop for a build. I figured it was the best to bring the romer arm and probe the 2 canards so the fitment would be perfect, with no sharp corners

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...ef945ab425.jpg
the dotted lines are the original canard shape. And this was a preliminary design of the canard. I also, it would be best to add at least pilot holes for a much easier fitment

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...f5b64dda1b.jpg

After several design iterations, i came up with the following design. the only problem was that i didnt realize that the top vs bottom canard were offset. i was focused on the 2 dimensional side of things. It was late in the day, the guys at the shop were going to leave so i didnt have the time to do much. The feed 3rd piece canard was a flat piece so it did not initially cross my mind.
When i went back home on a previous trip i saw this difference.

So in order to account for this difference i have decided to have 3 different size canards with the finalized design. the difference in height between the canards is .060"



https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...258d6bc58a.png
Initial installation with self tapping screws

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...99ede61434.jpg
And then replaced with black rivets and i think it looks pretty good overall.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...55e080e0c6.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...0e98263e5d.jpg






R-R-Rx7 04-09-23 01:46 PM

One thing that i absolutely hate with my car is the light output.
Putting the stock pop-ups is unfortunately out of the question for 3 reasons.
I no longer have the provisions for the pop-up motors since i am using the PDM to control everything in the car
and even if i had the provisions, my 34 row oil coolers are just too big for the headlights to fit in there.
and i cant put the oil coolers any further foward because i cant fit the bumper combo lights. I cant even fit the 99-spec combo lights due to the oil coolers, hence the need to switch to the FEED combo lights.
So i have decided to replace the round lights of my headlights that it is used for the high beams.
The low beams are ok (could be a lot better) but my high beams are pretty much non-existant.

The PIAA 004XT that R-magic uses are 60mm in diameter.
I tried to find something close and i came up with these PIAA LP270 and they are 70mm in diameter.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...cf033a186d.jpg

I knew i had to lower the headlights in order to account for that difference. I reversed engineered the stock bracket and i have used the bolt pattern Rmagic uses and i came up with this. This was a preliminary design which was later changed
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...5ee52b7772.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...493cb70bd5.png

I lowered the headlights to the minimum height as shown below and i have even used "ultra low profile" bolts to gain every little bit i could. i have also changed the round hole into an oblong slot to have some further adjustability
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...d840e7f69a.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...7ab22d94c4.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...99c42c2d81.jpg

The issue with trying to build a car half way around the globe, i often have doubles of everything and whatever i dont have i have to either bring it with me or have someone from back home to ship it to me.
Luckily, i had the PIAA 004X here with me in the states . I figured i can compare them and see if the lowered height was going to be close enough to the 004X lights. I did not have the complete headlight assembly with me so i wasnt sure they would fit



I asked a friend to take some measurements of the brackets that the R-magic lights mount on so i can confirm that they will at least fit in this depth, since the LP270 are significantly longer . Thankfully that cleared
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...21ec182266.jpg

The LP270 sits higher than the 004X by ~4-5mm but i thought that there has to be some room under the headlight. I figured that worst case i would just cut the bottom housing of the Rmagic headlight if this did not work
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...62b0ffd0e7.jpg

I was worried that it would interfere but the more i was working on it, the more i was trying to convince myself that it would clear....

So i finalized the design and i made a few samples. I decided to make the same parts in aluminum and in stainless steel also
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...52b37c247c.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...9132c617bb.jpg

and they did not fit !!!:banghead:

I decided to cut the bottom housing of the housings and it still did not fit.
So yeah all this work for NOTHING :sad:
I could have changed the design so the bracket would fit on the bottom of the Rmagic mounting bracket but it was already too much work, and i was pretty pissed. Well i decided to revisit the idea with a new set of lights

R-R-Rx7 04-09-23 02:15 PM

I was very annoyed with the headlight situation so i have decided to find something else that would work but finding a good candidate with good light output deemed a little more difficult than anticipated
after hours of trying to find something that would work, i came across the Baja Design S1 but my approach this time was going to be drastically different

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...98649b6ec0.jpg
I liked the fact that Baja designs gives you the option to choose the light pattern you want. Obviously since these were the high beams, i opted for the Spot pattern
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...f008a46692.jpg
I did a comparison of the existing 004X and the S1 and they seem to be more or less equal in height

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...dcee05f0b8.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...41f9c7e553.jpg
The Baja is 55mm as opposed to the PIAA which is 60mm but the bracket places the light at a similar height with quite a bit of dead space between the light itself and its mounting bracket
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...04afd26c1a.jpg

So I modeled a simplified version of the original light ( i did not do the same while i was doing the LP270 models) but fairly accurate for the purpose


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...54d17cf66c.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...c719b66cd7.jpg

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...2400068a9a.jpg

I have a 3d printer here in the states and i do print a lot of prototypes but if i need to do a test fit on the car it is nearly impossible and i am not going to be shipping parts back and forth. So i determined that i can 3d print the light itself and mount it with my new bracket on the car to overcome the previous issue.
I figured 3d printers are widely and globally used, primarily as a toy; someone i know in cyprus should have one and to my surprise, i dont know anyone who has one. I asked friends around whether there's someone we know but again to my surprise no one does.

i mentioned in the previous post how i need to have everything in doubles... well i had to add a new 3d printer to my arsenal but this time, on the other side of the planet.
I was not going to run in the same trouble again. So i printed the model of the light i made compared it with the original for the sake of testing

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...3b0fe310e7.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...f92bce9946.jpg





Side to side comparison with the original Baja S1 bracket vs with my version (+ the adjustability) but both at the same height
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...eebbad1f25.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...26b14f5358.jpg

R-R-Rx7 04-09-23 02:31 PM

So i remotely programmed the 3d printer to print the headlight along with the brackets to perform a test fit
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...529ba4dc54.jpg
fitment was ok but my friend who helped me mount it recommended that i should lower it a little to the light pattern wouldnt be obstructed by the housing.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...b6c280371d.jpg
So i asked my friend, how much lower should it be but he couldnt figure out how much lower as it not easy to measure. Since the printer is there; i thought to give him all the different height variants,
Starting from left to right as you see the picture below, orange is the stock height and the rest were lower by the number embossed on the bracket ( 3mm lower, 5mm lower and 7mm lower )
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...4cf247ebc4.png
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...34489709b7.png
He tested all the brackets and if memory serves, the 5mm lower was the right one for the job.
I decided to make them in stainless steel and not in aluminum as the stainless was obviously significantly stronger. I dont think the aluminum would have been a problem but i wanted to eliminated the possibility that the lights might vibrate at high speeds.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...d0139adcdd.jpg
I only needed 2 obviously but fuck it, why not make a few extras :lol:
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...9a56b93038.jpg
Fitment is pretty good. but these brackets are reversible and this enables me to further adjust them without making the bracket too big. So if i need the headlight to go closer to the housing, but i dont have enough room with the the smaller oblong slot, i can flip it and gain some more adjustment front to back
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...cb0a252989.jpg
i did end up getting ultra low profile screws for the mounting just to make sure that i can have all the adjustment i need to tilt them at the right angle
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...1bde36dd27.jpg

if you are to compare the 2 pictures below you can see the part in both orientations, flipped and original
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...1c13375667.jpg


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...dd22caeceb.jpg

R-R-Rx7 04-09-23 03:00 PM

Another complaint of mine which i had previously mentioned was the jdm 5th gear with the 4.77 final gear
I was getting quite a bit of drone in the car and i was running ~3800rpm cruising at 120km (75mph). i want the car to be quiet and enjoyable when i want to cruise.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...11c581bc28.jpg
so i switched to the US 5th gear ratio (from .806:1 to .719:1) and my rpm now is ~3200rpm at 120km. the car is pretty quiet now and its a joy to take it for a cruise, all things considered. I will eventually re-do the dash panel as i want to lower the dash a little more. I cant see the top corner indicators which are the turn signals . I can potentially add a warning that will cover the whole screen if any of those indicators stay on for more than X seconds or something but i think its best if i lower it altogether. It is in the plans to replace the steering wheel
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...c779147872.jpg

and since i am covering the interior bits, Here is the Limited edition Recaro Pole Position SL mounted on. They are so damn comfortable but i would like them to sit a little lower.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...45d90911dd.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...030a3db22b.jpg

I ended up getting the ronin speedworks mounts but in all honesty i was not at all impressed . Mounting them and figuring out the proper placement for a seat this big, is just wrong. i spent a whole day to mount one of them on as i didnt want to cut them up.
Other seats may fit on these rails without the need to chop these mounts but for the pole positions they need some serious trimming. I need to place the seat even further closer to the transmission tunnel so the seat will clear the door cart. It clears 95% as is but i do not like these mounts one bit. i considered other mounts after getting these but i did ultimately regret getting these.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...65884237cb.jpg

Another problem with my car is that when i leave the car overnight, methanol will flow in the inlet. The car will start just fine but as soon as you step on the gas you can see the water/methanol steaming from my exhaust. I removed the hose overnight and used a container to see if this was my issue and it was. So i need to add a methanol solenoid for that. I ended up getting the snow performance one. from the pictures online it seemed to be a little better in terms of mounting as opposed to the other options i encountered .

I decided to design a simple bracket that will enable me to mount it somewhere. it shouldnt be too difficult to find a 6mm stud or a threaded hole that i can just bolt this one on
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...25e3c3dabc.jpg


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...9ed8fbb9f8.jpg
some slots for the adjustment for the ease of installation
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...25a8bf07ae.jpg


After i modeled this bracket, i figured that i needed a few more options, depending where the mounting point will be.
So i made a longer version also, as well as flipped versions

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...f90bb4fe1f.png
and similarly to the PIAA lights, i had make them in aluminum as well as stainless steel . Only one would be used but yeah fuck it lets make a whole bunch:lol:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...351a3176bd.jpg

gracer7-rx7 04-10-23 12:10 PM

Impressive

This car is truly a labor of love. The level of detail you go to in pursuit of improving things is spectacular to read about.

Regarding the seat, there's an old thread in the Interior/Exterior section where someone cut the body where the stock seats attach to and sectioned them so they would be lower. Then he used stock seat rails to mount the seat. I've been considering doing that to mine when I have some time. Similar to what we do with race car seats in my Miata but reuses the stock rails so you have fore/aft adjustability.

Regarding the steering wheel, similar to the above, I have also been considering modifying the dash bar where the steering column attaches so that the steering wheel can be raised slightly. It is a round tube so was considering sectioning the tube and reinforcing.

R-R-Rx7 04-10-23 10:03 PM

@gracer7-rx7 thank you for your kind words. It puts a smile on my face when i see that you responded to the thread (and some others of course)
i am always trying to improve stuff even if its something as simple as a bracket. It changes the build entirely when there are stuff that mount on appropriate locations with purpose intended parts/brackets

i do have some more updates to post soon but I figured to wait a little since i posted a whole bunch in one shot

i did not think about removing the oem mounting points for the seat but to be honest i would rather if i avoided that. i think different mounts will allow me to place the seat maybe 1/4” lower, which is insignificant, but perhaps changing the cushioning might allow me to sink in the seat further. I would also like to use sliders but at this point i think its out of the question. Its nice to fine tune it exactly to the length that you need as with the existing mounts its a tad longer than i would like it to be but at the same time if i am pulling them out for readjustment i am throwing them in the trash

For the steering, i actually like the steering placement. I am using the 350mm deep corn from nardi which I actually like very much but i was looking to get something better matching to the interior, or go wild and do an F1 style steering from Aim lol.

i see on ebay a guy in poland converting the stock steering wheel to a D shaped Oem steering wheel and I actually like the look of it and i think it will be more appropriate for my current simplistic interior.
if i go that route i wont have to redo the dash panel as with the larger in diameter OEM steering wheel i will be able to see all the indicators (i think:lol:).

TeamRX8 04-10-23 10:44 PM


Originally Posted by R-R-Rx7 (Post 12545543)
I have previously installed the Re-medy Waterpump which is the same but i don't recall having issues; but this was good 15 years ago (or something like that)

not trying to dig at old wounds, but noticed you mentioned swapping out an underdrive pulley on the alternator, but couldn’t find any reference for the rest of the pulleys.

Just wanted to say that the REmedy water pump is not intended to be underdriven in case you had other underdrive pulleys installed with it. It’s intended to reduce cavitation using the original Mazda pulley ratios, which is where the factory water pump has issues in the higher engine rpm range.

Again not knowing what other pulleys were installed, sorry for the bump if that wasn’t the case.
.

R-R-Rx7 04-11-23 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by TeamRX8 (Post 12556309)
not trying to dig at old wounds, but noticed you mentioned swapping out an underdrive pulley on the alternator, but couldn’t find any reference for the rest of the pulleys.

Just wanted to say that the REmedy water pump is not intended to be underdriven in case you had other underdrive pulleys installed with it. It’s intended to reduce cavitation using the original Mazda pulley ratios, which is where the factory water pump has issues in the higher engine rpm range.

Again not knowing what other pulleys were installed, sorry for the bump if that wasn’t the case.
.

i kept the same pulley on the alternator. It is the same that this alternator comes with the Advance Alternator.
I had changed the main pulley from underdrive to the stock size and my low voltage on idle disappeared.

for the Re-medy waterpump i had used the stock size main pulley. I was having such a hard time bleeding it with this waterpump while the oem waterpump bled pretty much immediately.
While my cooling issue is not resolved ( it seemed that it did initially) as the car overheats at the track now, it at least does not overheat on the street when i am abusing it.
It does not appear that the motor is hurt. Everything is in the clear with the lisle funnel, no funny smells, no smoking. i even had a friend of mine follow me on the highway to see if anything was coming out of the exhaust but everything is clear.

I am in the process of adding a secondary independent temperature and possibly a pressure sensor for the coolant, just for data verification.
It looks as if the cooling system is just not enough but I know that this is not the case, this system worked perfectly for a number of years.

more updates to follow

R-R-Rx7 04-13-23 12:45 PM

over the years i have tried pretty much all engine mounting options out there. I have not tried the latest options because the OEM motor mounts + the @Banzai-Racing transmission cross member has served me well for plenty of years. I have recommended that combination to many of people and they have all been very happy.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...53fa11fea1.jpg
However if you pay close attention to this picture you will realize that at least from the engine mounts, this is not the case

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...660701e8a8.jpg
My oil pan had started to leak about 9-10 years since it was sealed (from the engine re-build time). The car has been sitting for about 11 months out of the 12 and for the 1 month it goes through some major abuse.
it wasnt leaking per se but you would see the condensation from around the oil pan flange. I figured it was time to re-seal it; and while i was at it, i wanted to remove the Autoexe sub-frame brace. And i am very glad i finally did. The autoexe brace mounts on the wheel alignment bolts and every time i had to remove the transmission i had to take the car for a wheel alignment.
In theory, sure the autoexe brace works. in reality if it does help, i think what you gain is negligible. The car feels like it is on rails with or without it.

The only mounts i had tried and i was actually happy with are the KSP Attain ones from Japan on my previous car but the only issue is that it raises the engine quite a bit. While i liked the softer feeling of the mount itself, i didnt want to raise the engine. Everything is a tight fit as is i did not want to have to mess around with anything especially if the OEM ones worked perfectly fine.
However, my OEM ones are the originals that came with the car and they are 22 years old. While they were in perfect condition i wanted to upgrade them to either a set of new mounts, or something else.
So i came across a brand new set of the FFE motor mounts with the softer 68A mounts. I tried pretty much everything else, eh why the hell not.
these things are top notch quality and the feeling is superb. It felt like they were OEM mounts.
I did read a couple of complaints that they are harder than the stock ones. This has not been my experience. No additional vibrations resonate to the cabin. It feels like they are the OEM mounts.

I have had this oil pan since 2007 or so and its probably the only thing that survived the fire from my previous car. i have removed the drain plugs so many times but i never thought to check what the hell the thread is and i have been wanting to add magnetic drain plugs.
So i reached out to Xcessive to confirm what the thread size was. Xcessive promptly responsed that the thread is is -8 ORB which it translates to 3/4-16 O-Ring Bung.
Moroso makes these magnetic drain plugs in the 3/4-16 ORB. Xcessive had mentioned that this question came up multiple times. so i am posting it here along with the related part number in the event anyone needs it
Moroso DRAIN PLUG, -8 AN, 3/4-16,MAGNETIC

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...b06cb9afc2.jpg


about 15 or so years ago i came across the JUN-AUTO control arm brace.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...d65dca089a.png
Jun-Auto which at the time it was a very well respected Japanese tuning company, barely did any parts for the Rx-7 but this was one of them. Whether it serves a real purpose or not it's to be determined :lol:
I never proceeded to get them, but it felt like the car was braced in pretty much every way and these were "missing". Fritz had a pair in the past but i had spent a lot of money with him that day and I decided not to get them for the time being. So, in the back of my mind I wanted to try them.

anyhow, Part shop max offered the same brace. with one main difference that the parts shop maxx was much beefier. And again who knows if it is actually needed. I did not like the original parts shop maxx copper color so i powder coated them black and here they are mounted
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...f0a096307c.jpg




7_rocket 04-13-23 08:57 PM

Nice updates Costy. :)

gracer7-rx7 04-21-23 10:54 AM

Ages ago, someone on here reinforced the OE upper control arm tabs by welding on some tabs to effectively box them in a bit. I think they autox'ed the car. Seems like it would be helpful with big sticky tires and hard, fast, frequent transitions. A bit of preventative medicine.

The Miata, MX5 and RX8 have those UPCA mounting points on a very beefy and much larger front subframe instead of the unibody.

R-R-Rx7 04-23-23 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by gracer7-rx7 (Post 12557668)
Ages ago, someone on here reinforced the OE upper control arm tabs by welding on some tabs to effectively box them in a bit. I think they autox'ed the car. Seems like it would be helpful with big sticky tires and hard, fast, frequent transitions. A bit of preventative medicine.

The Miata, MX5 and RX8 have those UPCA mounting points on a very beefy and much larger front subframe instead of the unibody.

Yeah i am not exactly sure if its a weak spot there despite the structural difference of the other similar mazda models. i dont know whether someone has managed to stress crack them but installing these parts was one of those "while i am there" moments. My rotors started rattling, I suspect i managed to stretch the bolts of the rotor hats? Who knows. So during the hardware replacement i figured let me put these on.

i have some updates coming up. i am starting to more seriously consider the possibility of switching to an EWP system. i am eyeing the one from sakebomb but preferably i would like to use the pdm to control the pump while getting all the feedback from the ecu as opposed to a temperature sensor that the system is equipped with.

7_rocket 04-26-23 12:47 PM

More pics, please. Any updates?

R-R-Rx7 07-10-23 03:13 PM

Some updates and upgrades

First of all i want to thank @Carlos Iglesias for his thermal imaging support and feedback. I did start my thermal project with a Top-don Tc005 thermal camera. while it was highly rated, it was nowhere near as nice as Carlo's Flir pictures. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction dude!

The flir cameras have this very nice feature where the pictures automatically upload on their cloud-based software so i can access them remotely. A friend from Cyprus was visiting me here in the States. So i had asked him to bring the Flir thermal camera with him to Cyprus and to go take some pictures of my car so i could start troubleshooting my overheating issue.

Picture 1 and 2 were taken only a few seconds from each other. it did strike me as odd that the radiator outlet was actually warmer than the inlet despite me the small difference. Sure the fans are not running at that moment and the car is not moving. I didnt expect a temperature drop but its far from the heat source so you would expect that it would at least be the same...
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...a20cc7b7cb.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...2fb0850f0f.jpg

I did change the scale on the computer. While it does decrease the image quality it at least pointed out where the issue is.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...7b099ce886.jpg


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...aa45509ce6.jpg

The Radiator appears to be suspect. I had tried the car with just distilled water and some coolant that was in the engine when i had replaced the water pump. The issue seemed that it went away but only came back when i had added the right amount of coolant.
So the radiator is due for a replacement. so we can test it again hopefully before i hit the track.


I have been entertaining the idea to finally switch to an EWP but i never pulled the trigger because it is an unknown territory to me.
A few of the questions i have had:
Can i get rid of the water pump housing with the manifold several companies make ?
or do i need to keep the water pump housing with a water pump block off plate? this option makes the filler neck situation easier.

I quickly determined that the only way around for my needs was to do the block off plate because if i were to use that manifold that eliminates the water pump housing, i would have to relocate the alternator. Well i have nowhere else to mount it since my A/C and P/S are still on the car.
There are plenty of options out there including the possibility of making my own. But i must say that i did like the sakebomb option more than the others. What i did not like about the sakebomb option was the thermostat delete kit. While there's probably nothing wrong with it i feel it could have been made a lot better.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...148862b0f0.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...b518d5daf9.jpg

So i have the pdm wired to the car with pretty much endless possibilities on how to program a water pump like that. More freedom than with the conventional controller that companies like Davies Craig provide. Nothing against Davies Craig pump or controller but i can have a plethora of triggers and inputs to make this pump run the way i want. (Meanwhile i have not hooked it up, i have not even mounted the water-pump on the car so i hope i am not going to regret it by saying this).

And this brings me to the next question.
What pump do I get? I do not know anything about the electric water pumps other than replacing a few stock ones over the years.

The only thing that i know for sure is that the current draw of any pump i will get, it needs to be under 15A. I have wired a provision for an electric water pump on the pdm and it is on a 15A channel.
The reason why i did that on a 15A and not anything higher is because the intention was to get the Davies Craig as part of the sakebomb kit (or others) as they primarily use that pump. The DC pump only draws 10A.

my good friend and tuner J.Renna suggested that the OEM bmw pumps is a great option and they seem to last a very long time. it is an OEM component it am sure it has significant more research time than a motorsports/aftermarket one. They are made by Pierburg and their current draw is a whooping 35A. While it would have probably been the best choice to go with that, i can't afford 35A of the current draw with my existing system and i am not about to re-wire the car for an electric water pump.
I have been researching the options and the Meziere pumps came to my attention. Sure i have seen the brand somewhere in the past; people rant and raved about it but because i wasnt looking for an electric water pump, i kinda ignored it.
I spent a few days researching the options (and there are a whole bunch from Meziere) and i did narrow my options down to 3-4 different pumps that i couldn't tell the difference at least from the specs standpoint.

i figured it was time to give them a call and figure out my options along with other questions. After explaining my project to Meziere we did narrow down the options to the ones i was looking at. The difference between the pumps was primarily the size and the weight. To me the 1lb difference in the weight and an inch or so smaller did not justify the need to spend the extra 200-300 bucks. The one i decided to go with, which was the cheapest of the options, was actually their original model that it was a very robust model. The newer/lighter options are not as robust as the original due to the need to make them lighter and smaller as they are pretty chunky.

The option i did go for is the WP336S which is the 55gallon/minute pump with a current draw of 11-12A. Single inlet/outlet and remote mounted. It comes to roughly 200L/minute as opposed to the most powerful DC pump at 150L/minute. part of the discussion was if i would ever need to run the pump at 100%. The answer was “yes” because really the 55gpm is at a free flow state. with all the obstructions i would be lucky if it comes to half that. and of course that applies to all the pumps.

This pump is a BEAST !
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...66ce27cf0d.jpg
1.5inch fittings as i am not planning to convert anything to AN fittings for the coolant hoses
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...355908e829.jpg

more updates coming soon







ptrhahn 07-10-23 04:06 PM

Gee thanks for making my update look lame Costas. Seriously, very cool, I've never really looking into an EWP, but having the PDM probably makes it easier.

TwinCharged RX7 07-10-23 04:59 PM

Hey Costas, I have these bmw Pierburgs going on 2 cars. Mainly going with these for reliability purposes. 1 car has the SBG blockoff, and another has an AN adapter plate (alternator is relocated to where the power steering pump was). Curious to your thoughts on the thermostat replacement flow plate. I’ve ready these are required in order to put resistance into the system, however, I don’t understand why that is the case when there are many cars that simply have AN lines straight off the block. Seems like the passages in the block should drive enough resistance.

here is something read when deciding on which model pump to get. Though it was helpful. http://www.swartzgarage.com/blog/2020/3/3/cooling-pump

regarding the 35amps, I need to test it, but I’m pretty sure they would not actually operate at 35 amps at the volume and pressure required for use.

I didn’t measure amps yet, but I tested one in a bucket of water at somewhere around 75 duty cycle and I can imagine that amount of flow going through the engine.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...24ed331e1.jpeg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...6125e5cf8.jpeg

R-R-Rx7 07-10-23 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by ptrhahn (Post 12567505)
Gee thanks for making my update look lame Costas. Seriously, very cool, I've never really looking into an EWP, but having the PDM probably makes it easier.

oh come on dude your build thread is sick! and you even race the car. its a purpose build car and i love the thread, yours along with very few others. Carlos' being one of them





Originally Posted by TwinCharged RX7 (Post 12567512)
Hey Costas, I have these bmw Pierburgs going on 2 cars. Mainly going with these for reliability purposes. 1 car has the SBG blockoff, and another has an AN adapter plate (alternator is relocated to where the power steering pump was). Curious to your thoughts on the thermostat replacement flow plate. I’ve ready these are required in order to put resistance into the system, however, I don’t understand why that is the case when there are many cars that simply have AN lines straight off the block. Seems like the passages in the block should drive enough resistance.

here is something read when deciding on which model pump to get. Though it was helpful. Cooling Pump ? Swartz Garage

regarding the 35amps, I need to test it, but I’m pretty sure they would not actually operate at 35 amps at the volume and pressure required for use.

I didn’t measure amps yet, but I tested one in a bucket of water at somewhere around 75 duty cycle and I can imagine that amount of flow going through the engine.

Hey Collin,

that was my thought process to go with the Pierburg pumps. Reliability! There's great information on this link and i wish i came across it a few weeks ago when i was weighing my options.
The pierburg i was considering was the CWA400. According to the link you provided it says 35A. It does say that it has pwm signal so most likely the inrush current will be not far from that 35A.
But looking at this graph, CWA200 is not a pump i considered but i think it would be a good choice. i have seen other cars running 120-130L/minute pump and it seems that it is working fine.

I mean i do have the alternator/battery capacity to run the CWA400 but it wont be as simple as plugging it into the provision i have there from when i wired the car.
Truth be told though, the provision there was not for a water pump but rather for a laser height ride from izze racing. or a spare power output just in case i needed to connect anything else
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...f01721d7b5.jpg

But that was before my cooling issues and i think this will take precedence over the laser height ride

i currently do not have a thermostat given my overheating issues at the track. Cutting the thermostat and eliminating it was a quick remedy while John and I were at the track the second day and we were overheating badly. We saw a minor improvement but not enough to enjoy its potential
The oem FD thermostat (along with others from other cars) is a dual thermostat.
I am definitely mixing some hot and cold coolant with that small port. Whether it is enough to make any difference significant, i cant say.
If you eliminate the housing, with the manifold plate that goes there you are no longer mixing cold and hot coolant.
But whether that port is there to form some kind of resistance, i do not actually know. it might be there to help bleed the system? creates some pressure and then opens to let the air bubbles out ? possibly.

that manifold plate is definitely the way to go if you can relocate the alternator even though i am also considering making a plate that the tubes ( as opposed to AN fittings) that might somehow clear the belt that goes to the alternator. Not sure if this is possible.

ptrhahn 07-10-23 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by R-R-Rx7 (Post 12567527)
oh come on dude your build thread is sick! and you even race the car. its a purpose build car and i love the thread, yours along with very few others. Carlos' being one of them
.

I was just laughing because I posted about stick on elbow pads and 29 cent premix bottles, and a minute later you come in here with thermal imaging, lol. I need to step up the quality of my updates.

R-R-Rx7 07-10-23 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by ptrhahn (Post 12567533)
I was just laughing because I posted about stick on elbow pads and 29 cent premix bottles, and a minute later you come in here with thermal imaging, lol. I need to step up the quality of my updates.

well thats kinda how i felt when Carlos started posting similar pictures. I have been wanting a thermal camera for years and i finally got one . Two if you consider the TOP-DON one lol

I got my FLIR C5 brand new sealed on ebay for less than 500$. Probably the best one we can buy. to get something better you need to drop some serious coin lol. There's option the Flir smart phone attachment for significantly less. it is an excellent diagnostic tool to have in your arsenal

R-R-Rx7 07-11-23 11:27 AM

I have been wanting to add a cooling panel for a while now. i considered multiple options but there's always a catch with every option. On top of that shipping of this thing (regardless of which of the option i go with) can be a pain in the ass. And it doesnt fit in the luggage when i travel to take it with me but i won't make a special luggage to bring this. I like it but i dont like it that much:lol:. I have taken some really odd-ball stuff on the plane. bulky and heavy but i don't think this deserves this kind of treatment

I have always liked the knightsports style one but there are others that were built for the HKS V-mount. They were one off and i could never really find one, or i was never in cyprus long enough to make one by myself.
I have decided to make one but in order to speed things up i was going to use the Knightsports one. Since i am planning on chopping it up, i didnt want to go with a genuine knightsports so i got one from ebay from the guy in the Dominican Republic.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...af95f06b22.jpg
I dont know what anyone's experience with this guy but mine has been outstanding. immediate responses, immediate dispatch. he went above and beyond to make sure i was happy with my purchase.
I have asked a friend who specializes in fiberglass/carbon fiber work to mount it and cut it up so we can start with this as a base. He told me that the quality is very good.
So i have not seen it in person but i trust this guy's word that everything is fine!
It would have been nice if Eccentric would to sell me their cooling plate but that appears to be way more difficult than anticipated. Not sure why, i guess they don't need to sell their parts ? Who knows. I think it is the nicest one there is on the market that would actually work in my application. Oh well !

Anyhow.

The current situation with the GPS08 Module from AIM is mounted on the speaker grill. the GPS module is magnetic. I had a damaged speaker grill so i figured temporarily i will place the sensor there but i do not like my "solution" one bit.
I do have a second GPS smartycam module from my motorcycle days. Dimensionally it is identical to the GPS08 and the GPS09 from AIM.
So i started coming up with ideas how to make it happen.
Original design consisted of the following:

A steel base that the sensor will be magnetized to and a mount that fits as a replacement to the grill but uses the same speaker cover..

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...e579f2abd9.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...027c59bf0b.jpg
The idea was to make a cable management solution that this huge hole wouldnt show. Much like what you see on desks.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...ec621ff33a.jpg
I cant say that it was a bad solution but its not a solution i am particularly proud of.
I wanted to check other options.

After several tries i have decided to upgrade the GPS08 module to a Roof Mounted and seriously upgraded GPS09.
The difference is that the roof mount is not a magnetic mount but rather bolts down

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...dae952dfd4.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...567d760cec.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...0504fa33ee.jpg

Sure this is a much better solution.
This filament i used is Nylon-PA6 /carbon fiber based. i was planning on using this as is but the finish did not come up as nice as i had hoped in terms of the finished color and the contrast between the oem speaker cover and this printed part is too far off.

I thought to try my luck and reverse engineer the speaker cover but seeing the dash there as is i feel that the OEM speaker cover should mount a little better than how it mounts.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...c94810bda4.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...d32729e8a8.jpg
So i think its time to get the Romer Arm and reverse engineer it properly !

More updates coming soon




Howard Coleman 07-11-23 12:10 PM

i think i will add the engine bay pic in post 283 to my website in the what not to do section on cooling. you are into considering some sort of high end coolant pump and you are sucking the exhaust from your intercooler directly into your motor?

job ONE is...

R-R-Rx7 07-11-23 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by Howard Coleman (Post 12567629)
i think i will add the engine bay pic in post 283 to my website in the what not to do section on cooling. you are into considering some sort of high end coolant pump and you are sucking the exhaust from your intercooler directly into your motor?

job ONE is...

I suppose you are talking about the intake filter? If you have a better solution given the surrounding parts i would love to hear it.

pm me if you want the picture in high quality for your website

mr2peak 07-11-23 12:49 PM

While not 100% ideal, it's better than running a smaller intercooler core just to fit filter ducting. There's enough volume passing through the intercooler at speed that it doesn't matter much. If you're worried about temps below 20mph, maybe just have a dude spray down the intercooler with a garden pump sprayer?

Only place to fit ducting would be under the chassis rails with a hole chopped in the bumper, pretty low down and potentially dusty, and that path is usually filled with brake cooling ducts if that's your thing

R-R-Rx7 07-11-23 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by Howard Coleman (Post 12567629)
i think i will add the engine bay pic in post 283 to my website in the what not to do section on cooling. you are into considering some sort of high end coolant pump and you are sucking the exhaust from your intercooler directly into your motor?

job ONE is...

I am very well aware of my intake not being optimized.
but explain to me how job ONE is not fixing my overheating issues at the track ? starting from that garbage water pump from MazMart (which btw i heard that the last few years have been a disaster with those water pumps from a MazMart ex-employee) to a possibly clogged radiator. And you are going to pick the intake! sounds like you are only looking at the pictures and not reading the shit i type.
Sure, i can improve the intake from how it is now. It's not a job that i am dropping everything to do though.
But since you have brought it up in a way that i can't say i appreciate, let me make another post. Also, i am open to constructive criticism, but this was not it.

I have been looking for an airbox for some time. I have looked extensively into many options including eventuri, APR and many others so i can overcome the issue of the intake. I ended up getting a couple of different ones .
The one that looked most promising is the AMS for the VW Golf R.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...49bb3eec6c.jpg

so the idea was to flip it and mount it like shown below while it will be pulling air from inbetween the radiator and the intercooler.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...26b2ea9bbd.jpg

This is not an easy task.
Also, dont forget that i am thousands of miles away from my car. I cant go in the garage for a couple of hours to brainstorm and come up with solutions and slowly make it happen.
I see my car a few days a year.

TwinCharged RX7 07-11-23 02:53 PM

I've been struggling to figure this out as well. I don't have vmount, but my chase bay tucked radiator, FMIC, and oil coolers take up all the real estate in the front and there isn't a place to pass an intake through to reach the front bumper.

Was thinking about a shield around the side of the air filter closest to the radiator, and then ducting it up to the hood to get clean air (have a scoot hood). Being VMount, I imagine that might be easier for you if you went with a hood made for vmounts to exhaust the hot air.

R-R-Rx7 07-11-23 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by TwinCharged RX7 (Post 12567654)
I've been struggling to figure this out as well. I don't have vmount, but my chase bay tucked radiator, FMIC, and oil coolers take up all the real estate in the front and there isn't a place to pass an intake through to reach the front bumper.

Was thinking about a shield around the side of the air filter closest to the radiator, and then ducting it up to the hood to get clean air (have a scoot hood). Being VMount, I imagine that might be easier for you if you went with a hood made for vmounts to exhaust the hot air.

dont you worry Collin, you will also make it to Howards wall of shame… 🤣

Howard Coleman 07-11-23 07:28 PM

after re-visiting this thread for more than an hour my head is spinning. i especially appreciate that most of what is on your FD is your own vision rather than checking the boxes of what the herd is currently doing.
truly an awesome build and of course still in process. further, i appreciate that you appreciate where the highest and best use is for the FD. on a road course. i note you understand that tire temps and pressures are everything as to getting a handle on... handling. such as your tire temp sensor. nice. of course there is a "but" coming:)

most of us have particular areas of our builds where we spend too much time.. of course we have areas where we spend too little time. and the FD has lots of "areas." my primary interest is in heat mitigation.

you run a 9280 around 80 pounds per minute. for a few years i ran a 9180 between 25 and 30 psi. mostly pump gas and around 1000 CC of meth. i have run 100% meth as AI since 2003. assuming your 9280 is roughly similar to my 9180 pre turbo charge air is over 400 F before the intercooler. i didn't catch what you are using for an IAT sensor but the only accurate system is a thermocouple. 4 readings per second and plus or minus 2 degrees F at 200 F.

i had three intercoolers constructed in 2021 and tested them for thermal efficiency and resistance. my original 2003 Spearco beat them all. thank you George Spears.

doing the IC math:

a really good IC removes 67% of the heat build from ambient. ambient is not the 90 F outside but the temp at the air filter. i have logged air temps all over the engine bay including just behind the IC. the air flowing thru your core when your right foot is on the floor on a road course is easily 145 F.

400 F (out of the turbo) minus 171 IAT / 400 F minus 145 (T at air filter) = 67%

moving a few things around my ambient is 105. lower ambient means lower turbo output temp and of course lower IATs.

should you retain your IC i would reclock the turbo output to 5 o'clock, fit a 90 degree Vibrant silicone hose pointed directly to the IC. i would redo the end tanks so the IC input tube accepted the turbo output. short straight to the core. i would redo the output side of the IC to the top to match the height of the piping towards the motor. if you were to use your thermal camera on the IC you would find a poor flow distribution. ideally any heat transfer core should have in and out at opposite locations to better spread the flow.

of course your true IATs are probably not 171 thanks to methanol which is probably taking 70 F out of the charge air.

FDs, due to Mazda's wonderful engineering, suffer from small frontal area... great for aero, not great for cooling.

here's my setup. i have outside air coming from between the frame rails and the radiator, a barrier over the radiator hose and a vertical seal to the hood. by no means perfect but i see 105 ambient and 80 F IAT at 575. i have switched to a G40-1150...

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/kZs4Pn.jpg

i should have worded my earlier post a bit differently and for that i apologize, certainly no disrespect intended..


















R-R-Rx7 07-11-23 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by Howard Coleman (Post 12567698)
after re-visiting this thread for more than an hour my head is spinning. i especially appreciate that most of what is on your FD is your own vision rather than checking the boxes of what the herd is currently doing.
truly an awesome build and of course still in process. further, i appreciate that you appreciate where the highest and best use is for the FD. on a road course. i note you understand that tire temps and pressures are everything as to getting a handle on... handling. such as your tire temp sensor. nice. of course there is a "but" coming:)

most of us have particular areas of our builds where we spend too much time.. of course we have areas where we spend too little time. and the FD has lots of "areas." my primary interest is in heat mitigation.

you run a 9280 around 80 pounds per minute. for a few years i ran a 9180 between 25 and 30 psi. mostly pump gas and around 1000 CC of meth. i have run 100% meth as AI since 2003. assuming your 9280 is roughly similar to my 9180 pre turbo charge air is over 400 F before the intercooler. i didn't catch what you are using for an IAT sensor but the only accurate system is a thermocouple. 4 readings per second and plus or minus 2 degrees F at 200 F.

i had three intercoolers constructed in 2021 and tested them for thermal efficiency and resistance. my original 2003 Spearco beat them all. thank you George Spears.

doing the IC math:

a really good IC removes 67% of the heat build from ambient. ambient is not the 90 F outside but the temp at the air filter. i have logged air temps all over the engine bay including just behind the IC. the air flowing thru your core when your right foot is on the floor on a road course is easily 145 F.

400 F (out of the turbo) minus 171 IAT / 400 F minus 145 (T at air filter) = 67%

moving a few things around my ambient is 105. lower ambient means lower turbo output temp and of course lower IATs.

should you retain your IC i would reclock the turbo output to 5 o'clock, fit a 90 degree Vibrant silicone hose pointed directly to the IC. i would redo the end tanks so the IC input tube accepted the turbo output. short straight to the core. i would redo the output side of the IC to the top to match the height of the piping towards the motor. if you were to use your thermal camera on the IC you would find a poor flow distribution. ideally any heat transfer core should have in and out at opposite locations to better spread the flow.

of course your true IATs are probably not 171 thanks to methanol which is probably taking 70 F out of the charge air.

FDs, due to Mazda's wonderful engineering, suffer from small frontal area... great for aero, not great for cooling.

here's my setup. i have outside air coming from between the frame rails and the radiator, a barrier over the radiator hose and a vertical seal to the hood. by no means perfect but i see 105 ambient and 80 F IAT at 575. i have switched to a G40-1150...

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/kZs4Pn.jpg

i should have worded my earlier post a bit differently and for that i apologize, certainly no disrespect intended..

Howard,
First of all thank you for taking the time to respond in this manner. It really means a lot.
Your response is a lot closer to your usual responses with your analysis and it is needless to say that your contribution to the forum and the rx7 community in general is well noted and appreciated. I also want to apologize for my response. I am trying to be diplomatic and not let any comments get to me but I don't always succeed. I generally don't have a filter (not the intake) in person as well as online.

I do know that there are things that are not to the level that they should be and the intake is not the only one. I am very open to constructive criticism and discussion especially if it comes from people who have tried things and that includes breaking things and rebuilding them better until perfection is achieved. This doesn't mean that I won't accept constructive criticism from other people as long there’s respect and discussion involved. And that really applies for everyone
I do design a lot of stuff and I manufacture most of them at home but there are things that I could have done better and ultimately I think this is the reason why the build threads are there. We share ideas, directly and indirectly even though you correctly said that I follow my own vision; but i do get some inspiration from other builds. And let’s face it, this forum has taught A LOT of things to people who were willing to sit down and read and try things. I can’t say that other forums are involved to the level that this forum has been.

I generally try to avoid posting stuff that I am not quite done yet, especially if I don't have a feasible plan at hand; much like the intake situation.
The intake plan has been in my head on and off for over a decade through all my iterations of this build. The car in its current state is technically a new build. There are a lot of things I need to work out first.
But what's an easy solution to sort out the intake right before the tune and the track days for a week stay ? A 90 degree 4" aluminum elbow, 2 silicone couplers and the largest filter I could find. Is this an ideal solution? Given the circumstances it was the best I could come up with.
Even with this system as is, the car is pushing almost 700whp. It's not an optimized solution but good enough for now.

The reason we stopped at 28psi (80lbm/min) as opposed to the 30psi I was running with the 8374 is because my motor was built back in 2012 in a plastic shed in my mother's yard.
The motor is all stock with the exception of ported exhaust and aftermarket apex seals. No dowels, no studs or any other machining/reinforcement. Also, don't let the "plastic shed" fool you. it has more equipment in there than probably any other automotive/performance shop in Cyprus. :lol:. I wanted to push for more and I gave the green light to J. Renna to experiment as much as he wanted even if that meant blowing the motor. Being the gentleman that John is, he just wanted to stop at 28psi. It was rather his compromise to meet me in the middle of my initial target at 30psi and his target at 26psi.

I have mentioned from the beginning that I do not like this intercooler kit for many reasons and the intake, radiator, fans/shroud is part of it.
But what's really out there ? The only way is to go custom but for now the current system is good enough as there are other priorities that take precedence.
When the car turns 25 years old, I will most likely bring it over and do it here. Part availability and selection is limited despite how heavily Cyprus was involved in motorsports.


I do try to squeeze every last second I have with the car when I am over there and try to do everything I can, prioritizing things that will let me enjoy the car at the track. I am not currently racing it as I don't live there.
I am designing and building stuff for pretty much the whole year round for me to go and try to put everything together in about 3 to 4 weeks out of the year. Even the radiator you sold me a few months back, it wasn't actually to be used on my car but rather to have a radiator here for my mock ups.

I will have to pull the datalogs to tell you the IATs I am seeing but I am not using a thermocouple.
I am using this instead https://lms-efi-llc.myshopify.com/co...x-7-direct-fit
My IATs are low but I have a feeling that the values may not be representative. I think the methanol may be a contributing factor to these inflated numbers
I have been debating whether I should re-do my engine harness to include additional sensors. It is not currently a top priority but it is something that I want to do.

mr2peak 07-11-23 11:52 PM

If you solve the HKS intercooler intake issue without putting a massive hood scoop on the car please let me know

R-R-Rx7 07-13-23 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by mr2peak (Post 12567730)
If you solve the HKS intercooler intake issue without putting a massive hood scoop on the car please let me know

I am thinking to replicate the HKS intercooler but to make it a little shorter on the intercooler inlet side so cant fit the filter in that spot and utilize all the remaining HKS v-mount components. It will probably cost over a grand for this, if not more.
I cant really see any other solution to make the HKS V-mount to work with a proper intake.

I have been trying to find other possible options for a completely new system but i can't seem to find anything that would work. The Greddy V-mount may be the all-around better option but i can't say i really like that option. If i am going to spend a few thousands to have the same results i might as well keep what i have.
I think a custom kit may be my next option.

mr2peak 07-13-23 01:03 PM

The GReddy intercooler is much smaller, it's not meant for much over 400hp, even if people are making more using it. 600x300x100 size seems to be the "normal" size for most cars making 500+ regardless of chassis or engine type, and the Greddy is well under this. The HKS core is also a very good core (like the Greddy Spec R core in the V Mount kit), light weight and high fin density to shed heat soak, but it's also almost 50% larger than the Greddy. Is the extra area enough to make up for the intake temp difference? I would think so. Another concern you should have at 700+ is the intercooler inlet/outlet sizing, the Greddy and the HKS may be on the small side for what you are already accomplishing. Going to the Greddy seems like a step backwards honestly.

You could go to be sleek lights and possibly cutting up the headlight support structure for ducting, I don't see a way to duct around the intercooler otherwise? I don't trust ducting air from the normal brake duct location, too low to the ground with a much higher chance of dust and other debris thrown into the filter. Collecting the air from between the intercooler and radiator means you're also collecting all the leaves and whatever else happens to blow into the front of the car, and it's probably warm air already seeing as it's flowing past the cores, but worth measuring with a temp probe.

Nothing will beat using a thermocouple to measure the temps in different locations. Just remember to shield the sensor from radiator heat from the engine itself so you get true air temps.

R-R-Rx7 07-13-23 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by mr2peak (Post 12567904)
The GReddy intercooler is much smaller, it's not meant for much over 400hp, even if people are making more using it. 600x300x100 size seems to be the "normal" size for most cars making 500+ regardless of chassis or engine type, and the Greddy is well under this. The HKS core is also a very good core (like the Greddy Spec R core in the V Mount kit), light weight and high fin density to shed heat soak, but it's also almost 50% larger than the Greddy. Is the extra area enough to make up for the intake temp difference? I would think so. Another concern you should have at 700+ is the intercooler inlet/outlet sizing, the Greddy and the HKS may be on the small side for what you are already accomplishing. Going to the Greddy seems like a step backwards honestly.

You could go to be sleek lights and possibly cutting up the headlight support structure for ducting, I don't see a way to duct around the intercooler otherwise? I don't trust ducting air from the normal brake duct location, too low to the ground with a much higher chance of dust and other debris thrown into the filter. Collecting the air from between the intercooler and radiator means you're also collecting all the leaves and whatever else happens to blow into the front of the car, and it's probably warm air already seeing as it's flowing past the cores, but worth measuring with a temp probe.

Nothing will beat using a thermocouple to measure the temps in different locations. Just remember to shield the sensor from radiator heat from the engine itself so you get true air temps.

yeah i dont think the greddy v-mount is really appropriate for my setup. it is indeed going backwards. What i was trying to say was that as an overall out of the box package i would say its pretty comparable to the HKS. In appearance sure the HKS appears superior with the much larger core etc but supposedly the HKS is also rated for 400 or so hp. I think @Copeland managed to burst the hks intercooler on a GTX42 turbo?

I think its time to go to the drawing board and make a custom one from scratch, including a much larger surface area radiator

mr2peak 07-13-23 03:14 PM

I believe HKS rates it for "hard tuned" cars in the 400-700 range

Vinny Fab makes a nice kit as well, in between the Greddy and HKS size, looks like it's a bar and plate. Comes with intake ducting. Not cheap.

Your car is primarily a race car? Sleek lights and cut up the headlight bucket. Or, a big hood scoop, but getting it to scoop cool air and also not block the back of the intercool AND not look like ass all at the same time is a challenge

R-R-Rx7 07-13-23 04:41 PM

I have very poor lighting as it is so cutting up the bucket to ducting wont do it.

It is a street car that participates in modified street class when the race calendar dates align with my visitations and it is never really the case anymore. So i instead do track weekends .so it has some race car “abilities “ but it is not a race car. It does spend most of its time at the track though. The intention was to be an all-around car that it is comfortable to be on the street but also to be able to have fun at the track and clock some quick lap times.

i did check the vinniefab kit. It looks alright but you cant fit the condenser in there.

Howard Coleman 07-13-23 06:29 PM

both turbo and intercooler power estimates are for (newsflash) piston engines at the flywheel

an intercooler rated at 500 hp requires two haircuts to get to rotary rwhp...

you know the math, 500 X.75 = gets us to flywheel rotary power... 375, then we convert to rwhp... 375 X .85 = 319. and you are making 500 what? yikes.


there are really no proper intercoolers for our cars except front mounts which create almost fatal conditions for track cars. they also weigh a ton and locate in exactly the wrong place for a track car. front weight is evil and really good intercoolers are really heavy.

all our FDs are woefully underintercooled, some more than others. hello really high IATs, and hello methanol which takes close to 100 F out of my charge air and the same for the O.P.

the only reason the community isn't freaking out is because most think their IATs are fine. measure IATs w a thermocouple and you will be looking to source methanol.

ptrhahn 07-13-23 06:44 PM

Costas,
Years ago I made a CWR replica intercooler using the Ronin duct, and a Bell Intercoolers (Corky Bell) custom unit. I just chose the right size core and drew what I wanted in Illustrator, and they made it with end tanks to my spec. It was super nice and reasonably priced. The fin density was way more than the Spearco-based original I'd borrowed from Crispy. Ultimately sold it, but its a good resource to have made whatever you want with minimal effort. I Designed my own V-mount IC/Radiator at some point, and was going to have them and Ron Davis make them, but then the Greddy came out and it was just easier. Here's a post on it:

https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...8/#post8919456


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R-R-Rx7 07-13-23 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by Howard Coleman (Post 12567942)
both turbo and intercooler power estimates are for (newsflash) piston engines at the flywheel

an intercooler rated at 500 hp requires two haircuts to get to rotary rwhp...

you know the math, 500 X.75 = gets us to flywheel rotary power... 375, then we convert to rwhp... 375 X .85 = 319. and you are making 500 what? yikes.


there are really no proper intercoolers for our cars except front mounts which create almost fatal conditions for track cars. they also weigh a ton and locate in exactly the wrong place for a track car. front weight is evil and really good intercoolers are really heavy.

all our FDs are woefully underintercooled, some more than others. hello really high IATs, and hello methanol which takes close to 100 F out of my charge air and the same for the O.P.

the only reason the community isn't freaking out is because most think their IATs are fine. measure IATs w a thermocouple and you will be looking to source methanol.

i am assuming this is addressed to me. i am running methanol and if i recall the nozzle is 1000cc . I had made 514ft/lb and 650 whp on a mustang dyno at 28psi on the efr9280 1.05 ewg. I can add a thermocouple since i have the tc-4 but i am only using 2 egts for now. I am curious to do a direct comparison between the 2 and see how far off it reads.

i want to maintain the vmount orientation for all the reasons you mentioned (as opposed going to an FMIC) but perhaps with a different kit; probably a custom one since what’s available out there is not really up to the task


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