Max13BREW

Quite small...a few pipes and a water tank..not much else..

check www.riceracing.com.au

SENZA PARI

Impressive numbers man, congrats to ya!

Glassman

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Just in from Pete:

"Garrett T51 72mm turbocharger, 1.15 rear housing Air Filter attached.
JSR Secondary Bridge Port Engine
Rice Racing Water Injection System
Crane Hi6 and LX92 CDI ignition system (one for each leading spark plug)
Trust pro rotary spark plugs
SMB 3.5” full street exhaust system (3 mufflers)
NRS 3mm one piece ceramic apex seals
Rice Racing rotor set, race clearance and modified combustion pockets (lower than 8.5:1 T2 rotors)
1000cc primary and 1700cc secondary injectors
100% pump fuel set up."

Here's the dyno scan from before. She made 568.6 RWHP, 582.7 RWHP and 588.2 RWHP respectively. This was done on a Dyno Dynamics so for Dynojet the figures would be approx 653 RWHP, 670 RWHP and 676 RWHP respectively.

Azcamel

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is the AI injection progressive or boost dependent switch?

ronbros3

IN the northern hemisphere the blood flows in a clockwise direction thru the Brain, in the southern hemisphere the Blood flows in a counter clockwise direction.
Now before I get flamed,, check out Wikipedia and Quantum phsyics, and parallel universe! in particular Hugh Everett!
Ron

classicauto

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Sweet numbers!

How long has this engine been together? Any shots of the bridges (curious as to bridge size...notched housing etc.) Also what series irons is the engine running? Being pre turbo AI is he running any mechanical intercooler or chemical only?

Any info on ign advance, EGT's or knock numbers?

AI is a marvelous technology. I think everyone needs to relax about what has happened in the past - lets move on and keep it civil. I don't care about who made what or who is smart because of X and Y.......these forums are for sharing all that we learn along the way so let's just keep it to that. And the occasional hilairious joke!

RXHEAVEN_WA

JSR Race Engines (registered user on here, see posts in this thread)

https://www.rx7club.com/new-member-rx-7-technical-256/about-t78-greddy-turbo-set-up-799465/

^ You need to PM him, since rice cannot and will not be getting others to post information that the end user is not consulted about prior, so you can ask him directly which is best from here on since it is his car *that he built* being talked about for others gain.

This post was put up *only* to stop all of the bs and slander leveled towards JSR Race Engines, Rice Racing, and in a far greater part (section relevant) towards Water Injection as a viable/proven AI technology solution by people who know nothing of either. It's been posted on Rice's request to help others see some other solutions and how it is done in this case. if you want more info you need to consult with the vehicles owner.

classicauto

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Done

I think you've got the wrong idea...no ones out to steal ideas here, this is sharing amongst inquiring minds. I share my experiences with my car in my thread and hopefully help some people learn along the way - I'm just trying to learn as well....heck - we all are. But not maliciously, diplomatically.

Slander is worthless anyways, don't be concerned about what people say thats negative - lets talk results and how it happened/how others can get there! Thats the stuff that the people and opinions who really matter pay attention to, not the yammering

AI, specifically water, has been proven since the start of last century - not much debate there Thats why we have our own wicked section So props for results, but you've made your point - now lets just discuss the details and we'll all learn something

JSR Race Engines

Give me till after the coming weekend and I'll give you a nice little post with dyno graph and background - too busy at the moment.........

It's funny though, the power in this car seems so normal to me now - been running around with similar power for nearly 2 years now, with an 18psi spring in the wategate as the minimum boost. Thanks to the WI pioneers all those years ago, and more relevant to me, thanks to my mate Pete's WI knowledge and tuning (Rice Racing), a whole new avenue of performance has unfolded for me.

Sandro

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I am really puzzled about what you guys have achieved by injecting water before the compressor.

I would love getting rid of the IC, to free space, save weight, and turbo lag.

My car is a dedicated autoxer and in my class I have to keep the stock twins but WI is allowed. Do you think I could do it?

Also I have a specific question. If water evaporates and become steam, volume would increases by three orders of magnitude. Wouldn't that reduce the amount of oxygen available entering the combustion chamber (because of the oxygen displaced by the steam that is created?)

Thanks,

- Sandro

KNONFS

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It uses a boost/pressure switch to activate the system; and based on the pneumatic design, I am incline to believe that it is also a progressive system (Iam speculating on that though)

KNONFS

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I ran that by Peter, and he wasn't very enthusiatic about running his kit without an intercooler.

Glassman

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Anyone with questions for Pete on this specific WI set-up or WI in general, here would be a good place to start. Lots to read and you can field your questions to Pete there. Much simpler than middling the questions and answers.

http://www.ausrotary.com/viewtopic.p...ater+injection

Also:

http://www.riceracing.com.au/water-injection.htm

TweakGames

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Don't even bother asking. (Bottom of page 9)

"DO NOT bother sending me PM's if you want to ask me my proprietary knowledge about water flow rates or ANY individual aspects of my systems, if your not a paying customer then nothing further will be added to what has already been more than enough posted in this technical reference thread"

Sounds like a complete dick to me. Claims he has some sort of superior system, and then beats around the bush not giving any data or information about what it really is. Sounds like something an ebay seller would do if they were trying to trick someone into buying their crappy "rotary" turbo.

"Yeah this turbo will do 800 horsepower all day no problem, REALLY!"

I read through most of that forum and realized it was just a text based late night commercial trying to convince me I need to buy their 11 in one ladder system. It is great that people are starting (or continuing) to make great progress in AI and water injection, but I this guy isn't helping anyone/anything but his bank account.

He puts down everyone else’s system and or ideas based off the information that they publicly provide, but refuses to give any himself, and claims that his is superior because when you pay him you get to pick his brain and use all his experience directly somehow.



I did not come into this thread to start an argument. Maybe it is just my disappointment with such a great achievement claimed with little to no information backing it up. :/ I in no way mean this to be a personal attack or troll in any way. Maybe I am being the dick wanting more information on the great achievement? I can’t be the only one.

TweakGames

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Btw, is rice racing on this forum?? Maybe that's why?

RXHEAVEN_WA

wow ^ BDC has a friend ^

evilg

I understand how you see this, but let me put it to you this way:

If you were the first person in the world to make 600RWHP out of a 13B engine using completely pump gas (crappy Australian pump gas at that), and water injection, and this was your business and livelihood, would you want everyone copying it so that your sales go down?

Honestly for the price of the system, and the amount of evidence pointing to its achievements, I am more than happy to fork out myself, as soon as I go single turbo.

You have to understand, that not everything is public domain - where would KFC be if they told everyone what was in their secret recipe years ago? Point is, it tastes good and people are happy to pay for it !

1wide7

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Thats fine but when you make claims that this can be done and I go to my tuner here in USA what then? Im supposed to tell him well this guy in australia did it! why cant you?
I dont want to take anythig away from the guy or the achievement but if I bought his system I still need it tuned and since he's not in usa a little information would help

evilg

As Pete (Rice Racing) has told me the WI does not need tuning at all, secret of why it is so good. He sets it up 100% to suit your car, then gives you all information and life time support if ever you want to change the set up..... All you need to do is follow the very basic instructions and the result is 100% guaranteed .... no excuses or hollow promises are made nor implied. You follow the proven recommendations and results will follow. Nothing could be simpler or easier.

Put it this way, I live in New Zealand... not Australia (Where Rice Racing is) - so I am in the same boat as you. However I am confident in this setup.

slo

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If RR's current water injection system is indeed whats pictured in the link from this thread, it would be fairly easy to copy.

1wide7

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Your ecu WILL need to be tuned the fuel and timing will need to be changed if you are planning on reaching this HP level you cant just install this system and turn the boost up to 30 and make 600hp! So as I stated what do I tell my tuner when I install this kit???

evilg

Yes it would.... hence my exaperation with people who post about it without doing any research whatsoever into it, or how it works.

Rice isn't trying to hide anything amazing..... it's just proven science with his own engineering skill applied to a kit that he creates, believes in, sells, and gets great results from.

That's good enough for me

RXHEAVEN_WA

Yes you can! ask Rice if you care so much rather than typing what you think is correct!

evilg

It's this simple.... the water injection system is setup by virtue of what you get from rice.

Tell your tuner this: "Dial up 30PSI of boost, and forget the system is there"

If he can tune for 30PSI of boost, then he is more than capable of extracting this system's power.

slo

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Take some fuel out on top and you need a very strong ign system.