Adaptronic Adaptronic Fd3s plug in select Innovate MTX-L set up
04-11-13, 10:45 AM
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Adaptronic Fd3s plug in select Innovate MTX-L set up
Whats up guys.. I've got most of the bugs out of my fresh build but I wanted to figure out how I would go setting up my Innovate MTX-L wideband into my Adaptronic Fd3s Select ecu. I purchased the correct serial cable to hook up the Mtx-L to my ecu, and I have already Calibrated the MTXL sensor and the gauge is currently working
With that said, how do I set it up so that I can tune with it?
Thanks!
With that said, how do I set it up so that I can tune with it?
Thanks!
04-11-13, 01:04 PM
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As long as the MTX-L works the same as a LC-1 w/ XD-16 gauge (and I believe it does)...go to the "Special Functions" tab and under "Secondary Serial 'In' Port" select "Innovate LM-1 / LC-1 / TC-4" ... Then if the ecu is receiving data from the secondary serial input then it should just work. Here is a quote from the user manual:
"4.1.2.9. Second Serial Port: Innovate Motorsports LC-1/LM-1
The Innovative Motorsports system uses a proprietary frame format, which sends out data uncommanded. To use this device, in the ECU settings for the second serial port, the Innovative Motorsports device must be selected. Again, if there is no data from the LM1/LC1 device for a given period of time, or the packet indicates that a sensor is not yet warmed up or calibrated, the value calculated from the analogue input is used instead."
Also, from the "4.1.2.0. Introduction" in the user manual...
"Note that if a serial-connected wideband oxygen sensor is selected and connected, the AFR from it overrides the AFR calculated from the analogue input."
Since I will only have my LC-1 hooked up all the time, I plan on setting the analogue sensor to "None"
"4.1.2.9. Second Serial Port: Innovate Motorsports LC-1/LM-1
The Innovative Motorsports system uses a proprietary frame format, which sends out data uncommanded. To use this device, in the ECU settings for the second serial port, the Innovative Motorsports device must be selected. Again, if there is no data from the LM1/LC1 device for a given period of time, or the packet indicates that a sensor is not yet warmed up or calibrated, the value calculated from the analogue input is used instead."
Also, from the "4.1.2.0. Introduction" in the user manual...
"Note that if a serial-connected wideband oxygen sensor is selected and connected, the AFR from it overrides the AFR calculated from the analogue input."
Since I will only have my LC-1 hooked up all the time, I plan on setting the analogue sensor to "None"
04-11-13, 01:55 PM
#4
Perfect!!! ^ thats exactly what I needed. Also, I wish we had a dedicated adaptronic sub forum.. This stuff is FAQ in the making.. It would be a pain for them to sort it out after 2-3 months of this...much easier to let us do the work for them.
It does work the same as the LC-1 W/XD-16 gauge.
Looking forward to setting timing and getting this working. I have the FFE trigger wheel and I'd love to have a nice low idle =-)
It does work the same as the LC-1 W/XD-16 gauge.
Looking forward to setting timing and getting this working. I have the FFE trigger wheel and I'd love to have a nice low idle =-)
04-11-13, 02:05 PM
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Perfect!!! ^ thats exactly what I needed. Also, I wish we had a dedicated adaptronic sub forum.. This stuff is FAQ in the making.. It would be a pain for them to sort it out after 2-3 months of this...much easier to let us do the work for them.
It does work the same as the LC-1 W/XD-16 gauge.
Looking forward to setting timing and getting this working. I have the FFE trigger wheel and I'd love to have a nice low idle =-)
It does work the same as the LC-1 W/XD-16 gauge.
Looking forward to setting timing and getting this working. I have the FFE trigger wheel and I'd love to have a nice low idle =-)
04-11-13, 04:02 PM
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Step 1. Run serial cable From the MTXL serial output to the Adaptronics serial input.
Step 2. In Wari software go to Analogue Calibrations in the Oxygen Sensor drop menu set it as None.
Step 3. From the Special Functions menu go to Secondary Serial In Port, in the Type drop menu select Innovate LM-1/ LCD-1/ TC4.
That will allow the ECU to read the MTXL, in my case they are dead on.
Now to do Closed Loop , go to The Corrections Tab, in the Fuel Correction mode select Closed Loop. In Closed Loop the car wil try to run and idle at the Target AFR that you set on in the Target AFR menu.
To do Adaptive Tuning, from the Corrections menu, in Fuel Corrections mode drop menu select Rapid Learning, don't forget to set up Closed Loop Parameters and Adaptive mode Parameters.
What I did was lower the minimun engine speed RPM to 800 in the Adaptive Mode Parameters in order to get the idle cells tuned.
Once your setup, get the car running and when you see the values on the Tunning menu change from black to green then those cells are tuned.
Step 2. In Wari software go to Analogue Calibrations in the Oxygen Sensor drop menu set it as None.
Step 3. From the Special Functions menu go to Secondary Serial In Port, in the Type drop menu select Innovate LM-1/ LCD-1/ TC4.
That will allow the ECU to read the MTXL, in my case they are dead on.
Now to do Closed Loop , go to The Corrections Tab, in the Fuel Correction mode select Closed Loop. In Closed Loop the car wil try to run and idle at the Target AFR that you set on in the Target AFR menu.
To do Adaptive Tuning, from the Corrections menu, in Fuel Corrections mode drop menu select Rapid Learning, don't forget to set up Closed Loop Parameters and Adaptive mode Parameters.
What I did was lower the minimun engine speed RPM to 800 in the Adaptive Mode Parameters in order to get the idle cells tuned.
Once your setup, get the car running and when you see the values on the Tunning menu change from black to green then those cells are tuned.
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04-11-13, 04:36 PM
#8
^ good info!
Before all of this....remember to reset your TPS once the car is warm and running.
FC3S1991........what's your TPS % on idle?
and could you expalain a little more on the Closed loop parameters and the adaptive mode parameters?
Before all of this....remember to reset your TPS once the car is warm and running.
FC3S1991........what's your TPS % on idle?
and could you expalain a little more on the Closed loop parameters and the adaptive mode parameters?
04-11-13, 05:22 PM
#9
TPS %0 at idle.
pretty much on Closed Loop the car will idle and run at the target AFR that you set in the Target AFR drop down menu, i believe on the map that comes on the ecu Idle is set at 13.7 my car didnt like 13.7 so i change them to 13.2 and is idleing great. Fuel Map Cells wont get tuned under Closed Loop only.
Closed loop parameters you can change the setting for the Map Sensor , Max RPM, Water Temp. Those setting pretty much set the conditions for the Adaptive Tunning.
Adaptive Mode pretty much sets the paramaters for the Adaptive Closed Loop Tunning, so far the only change i did to this setting is to lower the RPM value from 1400 to 900 in order to tune my IDLE.
hopefully it makes sense.
04-11-13, 08:27 PM
#10
Step 1. Run serial cable From the MTXL serial output to the Adaptronics serial input.
Step 2. In Wari software go to Analogue Calibrations in the Oxygen Sensor drop menu set it as None.
Step 3. From the Special Functions menu go to Secondary Serial In Port, in the Type drop menu select Innovate LM-1/ LCD-1/ TC4.
That will allow the ECU to read the MTXL, in my case they are dead on.
Now to do Closed Loop , go to The Corrections Tab, in the Fuel Correction mode select Closed Loop. In Closed Loop the car wil try to run and idle at the Target AFR that you set on in the Target AFR menu.
To do Adaptive Tuning, from the Corrections menu, in Fuel Corrections mode drop menu select Rapid Learning, don't forget to set up Closed Loop Parameters and Adaptive mode Parameters.
What I did was lower the minimun engine speed RPM to 800 in the Adaptive Mode Parameters in order to get the idle cells tuned.
Once your setup, get the car running and when you see the values on the Tunning menu change from black to green then those cells are tuned.
Step 2. In Wari software go to Analogue Calibrations in the Oxygen Sensor drop menu set it as None.
Step 3. From the Special Functions menu go to Secondary Serial In Port, in the Type drop menu select Innovate LM-1/ LCD-1/ TC4.
That will allow the ECU to read the MTXL, in my case they are dead on.
Now to do Closed Loop , go to The Corrections Tab, in the Fuel Correction mode select Closed Loop. In Closed Loop the car wil try to run and idle at the Target AFR that you set on in the Target AFR menu.
To do Adaptive Tuning, from the Corrections menu, in Fuel Corrections mode drop menu select Rapid Learning, don't forget to set up Closed Loop Parameters and Adaptive mode Parameters.
What I did was lower the minimun engine speed RPM to 800 in the Adaptive Mode Parameters in order to get the idle cells tuned.
Once your setup, get the car running and when you see the values on the Tunning menu change from black to green then those cells are tuned.
TPS %0 at idle.
pretty much on Closed Loop the car will idle and run at the target AFR that you set in the Target AFR drop down menu, i believe on the map that comes on the ecu Idle is set at 13.7 my car didnt like 13.7 so i change them to 13.2 and is idleing great. Fuel Map Cells wont get tuned under Closed Loop only.
Closed loop parameters you can change the setting for the Map Sensor , Max RPM, Water Temp. Those setting pretty much set the conditions for the Adaptive Tunning.
Adaptive Mode pretty much sets the paramaters for the Adaptive Closed Loop Tunning, so far the only change i did to this setting is to lower the RPM value from 1400 to 900 in order to tune my IDLE.
hopefully it makes sense.
pretty much on Closed Loop the car will idle and run at the target AFR that you set in the Target AFR drop down menu, i believe on the map that comes on the ecu Idle is set at 13.7 my car didnt like 13.7 so i change them to 13.2 and is idleing great. Fuel Map Cells wont get tuned under Closed Loop only.
Closed loop parameters you can change the setting for the Map Sensor , Max RPM, Water Temp. Those setting pretty much set the conditions for the Adaptive Tunning.
Adaptive Mode pretty much sets the paramaters for the Adaptive Closed Loop Tunning, so far the only change i did to this setting is to lower the RPM value from 1400 to 900 in order to tune my IDLE.
hopefully it makes sense.
Hope I can start my car tomorrow and start the auto tuning procedure =).
-AzEKnightz
04-14-13, 05:46 AM
#14
Wow, thanks for all the tuning info!
In general I say to do it manually until you feel confident and then use the adaptive or closed loop functions to make it faster, rather than expecting the ECU to do it all with the adaptive tuning.
The other thing you can do (related to the original thread title) is to connect a TC4 (EGT probes) in the same data chain - so serial out from MTXL or LC1 goes into the Serial In on the TC4, then serial out from TC4 goes into the Adaptronic. Yes, it has to be that way around with the lambda gauge on the end. If it's the LC1 then it needs the serial termination plug ("Arnold" they call it in the manual; I only got the joke last year) on the LC1's serial "in".
Cheers!
Andy
In general I say to do it manually until you feel confident and then use the adaptive or closed loop functions to make it faster, rather than expecting the ECU to do it all with the adaptive tuning.
The other thing you can do (related to the original thread title) is to connect a TC4 (EGT probes) in the same data chain - so serial out from MTXL or LC1 goes into the Serial In on the TC4, then serial out from TC4 goes into the Adaptronic. Yes, it has to be that way around with the lambda gauge on the end. If it's the LC1 then it needs the serial termination plug ("Arnold" they call it in the manual; I only got the joke last year) on the LC1's serial "in".
Cheers!
Andy
04-14-13, 12:09 PM
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haha
04-15-13, 04:15 AM
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Check the "idle" value in the gauge window - if that's constant then that's not the ECU driving the idle up and down; it's probably a rich-lean hunt. Normally that's caused by the lighter loads (lower MAP values, higher vacuum) being too lean. Then as the engine picks up speed, it gets into a leaner area and loses torque. The speed drops, and with the same throttle position at the lower speed, the MAP increases, and gets to a richer part of the map so it picks up again in a negative feedback cycle. Richen the lower MAP values in the fuel map. Watch where the engine goes with the cross-hairs on the map so you know which values to change.
Do this in open loop mode first of all; the adaptive tuning can't chase around something that's always changing too well.
Do this in open loop mode first of all; the adaptive tuning can't chase around something that's always changing too well.
04-18-13, 12:34 PM
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Does the ECU have a provision to have a fuel compensation based on Manifold pressure? If so you can set the table to have a 1:1 scale. This will allow you to flatten out your main fuel map to get a better view of what is happening. It would also be better if you had the ability to switch to a Throttle based fuel map and have manifold pressure as a compensation. This will add a lot of resolution for tuning the car.
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04-20-13, 01:42 AM
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So when using the Innovate, under the "Analogue Calibrations" tab and in the Oxygen Sensor box, Bosch Wideband should be selected?
Edit: It seems that OEM would be selected, and this signal is overridden when a wideband is used
Edit: It seems that OEM would be selected, and this signal is overridden when a wideband is used
04-22-13, 10:35 AM
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Does the ECU have a provision to have a fuel compensation based on Manifold pressure? If so you can set the table to have a 1:1 scale. This will allow you to flatten out your main fuel map to get a better view of what is happening. It would also be better if you had the ability to switch to a Throttle based fuel map and have manifold pressure as a compensation. This will add a lot of resolution for tuning the car.
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04-23-13, 08:16 PM
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EB Turbo : Sorry, I have been off line a bit with conferences and so on.
The ECU already has scaling with manifold pressure in MAP VE tuning mode so it's supposed to be pretty flat, and in general it does end up pretty flat.
You can do it with a throttle map with MAP compensation as well, that's how we tune individual throttle body boosted engines like GTRs.
The ECU already has scaling with manifold pressure in MAP VE tuning mode so it's supposed to be pretty flat, and in general it does end up pretty flat.
You can do it with a throttle map with MAP compensation as well, that's how we tune individual throttle body boosted engines like GTRs.
04-24-13, 10:46 AM
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You can do it with a throttle map with MAP compensation as well, that's how we tune individual throttle body boosted engines like GTRs.
Tuning Modes, how to select them, how to set them up - YouTube
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