WTF is up with the Price on the 3rd Gen?
10-06-04, 01:51 PM
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imo, fd's should be even cheaper than what they're selling for. the way i see it unless the motor was just rebuilt and the turbos replaced, every buyer needs to assume that the motor and turbos are on their way out. regardless of how good the compression is and how well the turbos boost, a buyer has to be prepared to have the engine and turbos rebuilt and price the car accordingly. you just never know if the motor on the car you just bought is gonna last another 30K miles or 300 miles. the fpd and injectors must also be replaced at the time of the rebuild with new ones. and the injectors can't just be sent out to be cleaned, they need to be replaced entirely with brand new ones. i can't tell you how many times i've seen injectors leaking from the valve body because they've melted or been cracked. and the engine can't just be built by anyone either, it has to be a reputable and trusted rotary shop. and the turbos can't just be replaced with any old turbos too, the manifold should have no cracks and the turbos should be proved not to burn oil. then their's the issue with the vaccuum lines, which are almost always rock hard by now, and the engine mounts, of which almost everyone's is busted if they've never been replaced. you're looking at a $10k bill right there just for the underhood stuff. then we get to the squeaky suspension, the broken pass. door handle, peeling and cracked interior, wear and tear on the seats, especially the driver, the peeling paint, the wavy front bumper, etc. then there are the little nickel and dime problems like a tach or radio that doesn't work, a broken antenna, etc. before you know it you can $20k to put an fd back to pristine stock condition, but you're still left with a 10 year old car with around a 100k miles on the chassis. i've personally experienced all of these problems as i'm sure many of you have. and i personally know a lot of people who've spent $15k on an fd and have had to spend another $15k immediately after getting it, just to get car they thought they were originally getting.
10-06-04, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Flybye
Point is, there are people out there who are willing to pay for what they are looking for. Regardless of what current market conditions are. There are people who don't give two hoots about little book values. They hunt for what they want, and when they finally find what they were looking for, they will lay down the cash.
People looking bitch about how much people selling are asking. People selling bitch about how much people looking are willing to pay. Some people will pay top dollar for their "perfect" car, while the vast majority want to lowball or prey upon people forced to sell to get the best deal. People having to get out from under their loan because they can't afford as much as they thought they could, or people becoming unemployed and having to trim expenses. Those people don't have the luxury of holding out for the highest bidder, because the legend of the rent is way hardcore.
10-06-04, 02:19 PM
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I got my modded FD with 10k on the engine and 8k on the turbos for $11k. Needed some cosmetic work and had an electrical issue that I fixed. Other than that its not bad. Seats are in great condition. Not even a rip. And it came with PFC, all the reliability mods, non-sequential, and intake/dp/mp/exhaust
10-06-04, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Flybye
In Amerika, it's mostly about drag drag and drag racing. Supra's are drag queens, and they do it damn good, too.
10-06-04, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SpeedKing
MIA stands for "Missing In Action". Fatman (are you really fat?) lives in Vietnam. 
10-06-04, 03:16 PM
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Hey, where did my $$$ go?
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Originally Posted by DamonB
You can't see the forest for the trees 
The banks LOVE to lend us money but the bank isn't going to lend a greater amount of money than the car is worth! The financing problem doesn't lead to value issues with the car, it's the other way around.
Cars depreciate like crazy! I could go right now and get a loan for any $50,000 car I want but would any bank give me even half that at any rate to go buy an 11 year old FD? Hell no!
The banks LOVE to lend us money but the bank isn't going to lend a greater amount of money than the car is worth! The financing problem doesn't lead to value issues with the car, it's the other way around.Cars depreciate like crazy! I could go right now and get a loan for any $50,000 car I want but would any bank give me even half that at any rate to go buy an 11 year old FD? Hell no!
EXACTLY....which is why people wont pay $13K+ for a 93 FD. No one wants to caugh up all the down payment money. My point is people are asking prices like 13K+ and they arent going to get them because the bank wont finance it (most of the time). Its very possible for the market value of the car to be 13K or more but the book value is what counts for the finance company so they arent going to finance it. I think the best way to sell an FD is to take it back to stock, sell the car for book value then sell all the parts on the side. Thats about the only way to get market value for the car.
Also, if you think financing doesnt play a part in the price of a car you guys are crazy. Go find a good used 4yr old car and compare what individuals are selling it at as compared to what a dealership can sell it at. The dealership can almost always get more for the car than a individual because they pull strings to get 100% of the rip off high price financed. Pull up just about any car on Autotrader and see who's prices are higher, dealership or individual? And the dealership will get real close to thier asking price because of good financing abilities. I've had to sell many cars at about wholesale value because buyers didnt want to caugh up a down payment. They would rather pay $2000 more for the car if they can finance it 100% and thats what they do.
Stephen
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10-06-04, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by L8NightDrifter
35 hundred dolla! good lord! id hate to see how abused an fd must be for a 35 hundred dolla price tag.
10-06-04, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by pianoprodigy
Fatman,
I never saw a link to pictures in the thread. Did you post it?
I never saw a link to pictures in the thread. Did you post it?
09-23-11, 11:15 PM
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The Supras you're talking about are pristine, low mileage examples of the last model years, not highly modified first years. A pristine, low mile 1995 FD is going to command the same premium, relatively speaking, because it's a chance to own a nearly new example of the last year. Do you really expect people to pay a premium for 100k+ mile '93s, especially given the FD's maintenance record? People can buy a 100k+ mile Supra and go BPU as soon as the parts show up. Someone buying a 100k+ mile FD has to be seriously thinking about when they'll have to replace the engine, turbos, or transmission. Do you understand why the average sale price is low?
Don't cry because you spent thousands of dollars on modifications and can't ask for it all back when you sell your car. Unless you can find someone who values your car more than you do, you'll end up selling for about what the market value is for an unmodified car in the same condition, plus a little if you're lucky. You all know this, or should. It's why all the 20B cars I've seen sell have been at or under $30,000, and why Jeff Witzer's pristine and highly modified CYM went for $23k or so, and so did Wael's.
Don't cry because you spent thousands of dollars on modifications and can't ask for it all back when you sell your car. Unless you can find someone who values your car more than you do, you'll end up selling for about what the market value is for an unmodified car in the same condition, plus a little if you're lucky. You all know this, or should. It's why all the 20B cars I've seen sell have been at or under $30,000, and why Jeff Witzer's pristine and highly modified CYM went for $23k or so, and so did Wael's.
Of course, I had much more than that in it, but it payed for a ton of fun!
09-24-11, 12:34 PM
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Oh I get it. The CYM from the other thread was your old car and that's how you knew even the exact tire size. You must've really loved that car to remember the exact dimensions of all that. I didn't even know mine had a backseat until someone told me.
09-25-11, 01:38 PM
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i bought my CYM for $17,500, in late 99. crashed it in 2002, and bought it back from the insurance for $320, which has to be the best ever. FIXED it, resold it for $8000 - a 91 FC coupe.
i could buy it back, for $8000. it just passed smog, still on the factory engine and turbos, we did the pillow ***** a few years ago, its actually a pretty nice car
i can't help but notice that FD prices are all over the place, and it doesn't correlate with the quality of the car
i could buy it back, for $8000. it just passed smog, still on the factory engine and turbos, we did the pillow ***** a few years ago, its actually a pretty nice car
i can't help but notice that FD prices are all over the place, and it doesn't correlate with the quality of the car