is this worth it? 1993 rx7
01-05-08 | 03:02 PM
#26
Glug Glug Glug Burp
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From: Scott AFB, IL
I daily drove the FD for 2 years problem free... then one day it croaked. I was fortunate enough to have money to buy another car.
I'm not saying not to buy one - I'm just saying you should wait. It's much less a headache if you're prepared.
I'm not saying not to buy one - I'm just saying you should wait. It's much less a headache if you're prepared.
01-05-08 | 07:43 PM
#27
Eats, Sleeps, Dreams Rotary
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From: CT
So hey there 32 y/o Stock Trader, you want to tell this 31 y/o Engineer all about your RX-7? And while you're at it, you want to explain to me why having a low post count means that I don't have something worthwhile to contribute? Much like your worthless comment here?
You need to make judgement calls about people you don't know to make yourself feel better or something?
The message you're sending with a post like you wrote here is that the RX-7club community is not open to new people, whether they know what they're talking-about or not. Is that true?
You need to make judgement calls about people you don't know to make yourself feel better or something?
The message you're sending with a post like you wrote here is that the RX-7club community is not open to new people, whether they know what they're talking-about or not. Is that true?
i wasnt sending any messages to anyone...what i was pointing out was that EVERYTIME someone asks if they should get a fd a bunch of little brats chime in and say not to get one for whatever reasons...usually dumb ones. i have some theories as to why they do this but thats nether here nor there.
1) i say if someone wants a ******* 7, buy one. i think u are misunderstanding something???
2) i said nothing about post count
3) i am all for the op or anyone for that matter to buy a FD. what i am against is little brats.
4) do a search and read threads similar to this topic. they pop up daily. you will see what i am talking about.
5)i am a bitter member of this forum.....cause i am sick of the F&F crowd.
Last edited by matty; 01-05-08 at 07:53 PM.
01-05-08 | 07:54 PM
#28
jack ***....what does my job and your job have anythign to do with this thread?
i wasnt sending any messages to anyone...what i was pointing out was that EVERYTIME someone asks if they should get an fd a bunch of little brats chime in and say not to get one for whatever reasons...usually dumb ones. i say if someone wants a ******* 7 buy one.
i wasnt sending any messages to anyone...what i was pointing out was that EVERYTIME someone asks if they should get an fd a bunch of little brats chime in and say not to get one for whatever reasons...usually dumb ones. i say if someone wants a ******* 7 buy one.
Seriously, the way some of you guys act on here I don't know why you even have a button for new members to sign up. Then you call me a jack *** for calling you out for being a jackass yourself?
The problem with you calling me a newb is that you're a guy that sits someplace trading stocks...meanwhile I'm a person who has literally dedicated his adult life to studying machines, controls, how things work, taking things apart and putting them back together better than how they started. And you call me a newb and a jackass?
For sure there's tons that I don't know, and I joined here to learn and also to provide some help in areas where I know something worthwhile. I don't need some dude who buys and sells stock blasting me for making a worthwile comment like I'm some kind of jackass. I've been around for a while on other automotive forums and I've NEVER once blasted someone for making a worthwhile comment like you did to me. So who's the jackass?
01-05-08 | 07:57 PM
#29
Eats, Sleeps, Dreams Rotary
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From: CT
are u sure you are an engineer? if i was talking to you i would have quoted you. you have misunderstood. the only thing u picked up on that was accurate is that i am annoied. and judging by the rest of your post u are annoied for different reasons. which is fine. but YOU are out of line here b/c what i posted isnt what you think my message is.....get it?
01-05-08 | 08:00 PM
#30
Eats, Sleeps, Dreams Rotary
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From: CT
So that's why you posted directly after I posted right?
Seriously, the way some of you guys act on here I don't know why you even have a button for new members to sign up. Then you call me a jack *** for calling you out for being a jackass yourself?
The problem with you calling me a newb is that you're a guy that sits someplace trading stocks...meanwhile I'm a person who has literally dedicated his adult life to studying machines, controls, how things work, taking things apart and putting them back together better than how they started. And you call me a newb and a jackass?
For sure there's tons that I don't know, and I joined here to learn and also to provide some help in areas where I know something worthwhile. I don't need some dude who buys and sells stock blasting me for making a worthwile comment like I'm some kind of jackass. I've been around for a while on other automotive forums and I've NEVER once blasted someone for making a worthwhile comment like you did to me. So who's the jackass?
Seriously, the way some of you guys act on here I don't know why you even have a button for new members to sign up. Then you call me a jack *** for calling you out for being a jackass yourself?
The problem with you calling me a newb is that you're a guy that sits someplace trading stocks...meanwhile I'm a person who has literally dedicated his adult life to studying machines, controls, how things work, taking things apart and putting them back together better than how they started. And you call me a newb and a jackass?
For sure there's tons that I don't know, and I joined here to learn and also to provide some help in areas where I know something worthwhile. I don't need some dude who buys and sells stock blasting me for making a worthwile comment like I'm some kind of jackass. I've been around for a while on other automotive forums and I've NEVER once blasted someone for making a worthwhile comment like you did to me. So who's the jackass?
i called u a jackass for two reason....1) u think i am talking to you when i am not and 2) your analysis of what i wrote is wrong. you cant be a good engineer!!!!!
01-05-08 | 08:07 PM
#31
whoa whoa...thats why u posted about our jobs.....you think u are better then me. i am not going to get into an e-fight about this. thats dumb. but your assumptions are completely ignorant. do u have any clue how hard it is to get a job doing what i am doing?i will enlighten you about just how insignificant of a job it is in pm if you;de like
i called u a jackass for two reason....1) u think i am talking to you when i am not and 2) your analysis of what i wrote is wrong. you cant be a good engineer!!!!!
i called u a jackass for two reason....1) u think i am talking to you when i am not and 2) your analysis of what i wrote is wrong. you cant be a good engineer!!!!!
1. you call me a newb
2. you call me a jackass for calling you out
3. you tell me I'm not a good engineer
Want to tell me more about me?
01-05-08 | 08:17 PM
#32
Eats, Sleeps, Dreams Rotary
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From: CT
u thought i was talking to you...i was not
u thought i was attacking newbs but reality is that i try to help people on this forum when i can....atleast in this section.
i hate the F&F crew. they usually rear there heads in these threads. if u arent one of them then great.
I PM'ED U.....i will not discuss this further here/
01-23-08 | 06:44 AM
#34
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Let me see if I can help here, yogi, and welcome.
The 7 has a rotary motor, which everyone will point out has many pluses and a few minuses and it is SOLELY these few issues with the motor that cause people on the forum to suggest you shouldn't have the 7 as a daily driver. The body, suspension, transmission, drivetrain, etc, are all just as robust as most other better Japanese built cars.
The primary, though not only issue with the motor is detonation. The rotary doesn't take "knocking" very well. They just blow seals and get rebuilt and that can cost several thousand dollars. The rotary motor in the seven runs very very hot both due to its basic nature and the fact that Mazda put too much stuff into the engine bay. The basic nature thing is in part due to the fact that you have 2 turbos spinning at up to 100,000 rpm in a very cramped space with not enough colling air and not really enough intercooling to give you a very wide margin for error.
These heat issues can be dealt with very readily through known and not terribly expensive mods that are well documented on this site. However, many people, whether original owners or subsequent owners, modified their cars to make more power by increasing the boost. Many of these people didn't do the mods to match the increase in boost (>boost=>heat) and their motors blew. Most people do it once and learn their lesson. (Some have gone back to class for a bit more schooling, but they eventually get it or sell the car.)
If you want a very fast, exceptional handling, comfortable, and beautiful car to daily drive, buy a fairly stock, well-maintained 7, do the reliability mods costing a few thousand dollars when you can, and just enjoy it. I don't think anyone has ever done a survey that compared failures on unmodded cars versus stock cars, but am completely convinced that most of the engine failures have occured with cars whose engines have been modified to produce more power, or, where the owners of fairly stock cars did not perform the regular scheduled maintenance.
Finally, while it is possible to spend as much money as you have or want to spend on an Rx7, there is a key difference with the 7 and that is that the value of "good" well-maintained cars is going up. You buy an Altima and its value is of course going down. So, even if you screw up -- and I hope I have made it clear that you don't have to screw up (blow motor), you will not necessarily lose money or too much money relative to purchasing a car whose value will depreciate so much more than the 7.
However, I would have to agree with several people here in that, if you just see the 7 as a nice car that you are considering against other cars like the Altima, it may still not be the car for you. Like so many others here, I fell in love with the car and while I bought my first new 7 late in the game (a 95 bought new in early 96), I have owned a 7 ever since except for a period of a little more than a year. And, while I did daily drive my first one with no problems, it was new and I only hit just under 30,000 miles when I sold it and I only have about 40,000 miles on my current car, which recently underwent a conversion to a 3 rotor motor, so, I still won't have experience with a high mileage (80,000+ miles) where others have seen them blow.
If you fall in love, buy it. Otherwise, leave it for someone else who does or will love it. In fact, if you decide not to buy it, I think it would be nice for you to let the forum know how to get in touch with your boss. I assure you there is someone on the forum right now who would buy this car in a heartbeat.
Good Luck!
Gordon
The 7 has a rotary motor, which everyone will point out has many pluses and a few minuses and it is SOLELY these few issues with the motor that cause people on the forum to suggest you shouldn't have the 7 as a daily driver. The body, suspension, transmission, drivetrain, etc, are all just as robust as most other better Japanese built cars.
The primary, though not only issue with the motor is detonation. The rotary doesn't take "knocking" very well. They just blow seals and get rebuilt and that can cost several thousand dollars. The rotary motor in the seven runs very very hot both due to its basic nature and the fact that Mazda put too much stuff into the engine bay. The basic nature thing is in part due to the fact that you have 2 turbos spinning at up to 100,000 rpm in a very cramped space with not enough colling air and not really enough intercooling to give you a very wide margin for error.
These heat issues can be dealt with very readily through known and not terribly expensive mods that are well documented on this site. However, many people, whether original owners or subsequent owners, modified their cars to make more power by increasing the boost. Many of these people didn't do the mods to match the increase in boost (>boost=>heat) and their motors blew. Most people do it once and learn their lesson. (Some have gone back to class for a bit more schooling, but they eventually get it or sell the car.)
If you want a very fast, exceptional handling, comfortable, and beautiful car to daily drive, buy a fairly stock, well-maintained 7, do the reliability mods costing a few thousand dollars when you can, and just enjoy it. I don't think anyone has ever done a survey that compared failures on unmodded cars versus stock cars, but am completely convinced that most of the engine failures have occured with cars whose engines have been modified to produce more power, or, where the owners of fairly stock cars did not perform the regular scheduled maintenance.
Finally, while it is possible to spend as much money as you have or want to spend on an Rx7, there is a key difference with the 7 and that is that the value of "good" well-maintained cars is going up. You buy an Altima and its value is of course going down. So, even if you screw up -- and I hope I have made it clear that you don't have to screw up (blow motor), you will not necessarily lose money or too much money relative to purchasing a car whose value will depreciate so much more than the 7.
However, I would have to agree with several people here in that, if you just see the 7 as a nice car that you are considering against other cars like the Altima, it may still not be the car for you. Like so many others here, I fell in love with the car and while I bought my first new 7 late in the game (a 95 bought new in early 96), I have owned a 7 ever since except for a period of a little more than a year. And, while I did daily drive my first one with no problems, it was new and I only hit just under 30,000 miles when I sold it and I only have about 40,000 miles on my current car, which recently underwent a conversion to a 3 rotor motor, so, I still won't have experience with a high mileage (80,000+ miles) where others have seen them blow.
If you fall in love, buy it. Otherwise, leave it for someone else who does or will love it. In fact, if you decide not to buy it, I think it would be nice for you to let the forum know how to get in touch with your boss. I assure you there is someone on the forum right now who would buy this car in a heartbeat.
Good Luck!
Gordon
now i'm thinking getting a G35 coupe 2005~06, 25k miles, premium pkg ($24g's)
or 1993 RX7 with twinturbo ($10g's)=( its really hard tho..
02-04-08 | 05:24 AM
#36
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From: Georgia
take the purchase price and multiply by (at least) 2. That will give you a ballpark figure.
13,500 93 RX7, box stock, 43,000 miles
4,600 "built" motor, installed, 5th gear syncro repair (90,000 miles)
1,200 Koni coilovers, installed and ride height set with a good alignment
1,300 tri point sway bar, all bushings installed
1,200 Power FC and commander, boost guage, Knightsports boost controler
4,000 needed for cold air intake, intercooler, other sundry items to get it where I want it
total 25,800 (13,500 for car, 12,300 for mods)
Oh, I forgot the new radiator, down pipe, RB cat-back, high-flow cat, and a bunch of other "small"stuff. $$$$
Damn.....I can't afford an RX7
13,500 93 RX7, box stock, 43,000 miles
4,600 "built" motor, installed, 5th gear syncro repair (90,000 miles)
1,200 Koni coilovers, installed and ride height set with a good alignment
1,300 tri point sway bar, all bushings installed
1,200 Power FC and commander, boost guage, Knightsports boost controler
4,000 needed for cold air intake, intercooler, other sundry items to get it where I want it
total 25,800 (13,500 for car, 12,300 for mods)
Oh, I forgot the new radiator, down pipe, RB cat-back, high-flow cat, and a bunch of other "small"stuff. $$$$
Damn.....I can't afford an RX7
i heard you can't take rx7 to any dealership like goodyears, pepboys, etc and i have to find the right place for the rx7.. am i right?
does anybody that own RX7 from GA?
is there any place that i can check rx7?
because i want to take this to dealership or car center, check the conditions on this rx7 and i want to know what i need to change(upgrade) and stuff like new engine, clutch, bla bla cause i dont want to put the new engine right after i buy this rx7 and I heard there is one on gainesville, GA but i dont know where is it..
how far do you guys think this car can run without new engine and how far does your rx7 last?
thanks alot guys!!
p.s sorry about newbie questions.
02-04-08 | 12:44 PM
#37
all I have to say is, if you think $10,000 is a lot of money for an RX-7, you're in for a world of hurt if you do buy the car.
also, $10k is what you could expect to pay for a really good condition automatic, or a fairly beat up 93 that will need paint, some interior work, and is probably about to crap an apex seal.
also, $10k is what you could expect to pay for a really good condition automatic, or a fairly beat up 93 that will need paint, some interior work, and is probably about to crap an apex seal.
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