wonder1and

just to add in.. don't wanna read all the crap... my car RIP pulled 911 turbo by a car (I don't know all the models) but either way... compare a $160+ 911 turbo to a $30ish 2 rotor rx7 w/ turbo... not a chance.... send me 30k and I will build you one of the fastest streetable cars in the world. only 2nd to the zonda probably. It won't be the prettiest thing but it will show you who is daddy

Louis M

this is easy... because someone doesn't have the money to start with a higher baseline and therefore start low... then they take a reletively cheap motor and put it in... it is easy to drop in and can be done in a weekend. on the other hand, a 20b requires a lot of expertise and fitting into a car it was never meant to be put in

Louis M

its funny about the relationship of post count to how good of an answer is given...

0-300 posts:
The RX-7 is better because it has a rotary! Yeah!

301-8623:
The RX-7 is better because it has the rare factor.

8624:
The Corvette Rocks. The RX-7 Rocks. I will combine both.... if I ever finish

vchacon

Nope, sorry, the RX-7 is better because I like it better until I find something I like better.

As Popeye said... I am what I am and that's all I am.... for now that's a rotorhead

1revn3rdgen

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You do a 20b conversion because you love rotaries, have the money it do it, and you want to have a rare rx-7.You put an sr20det in a 240 because you want to be different from everyone here in the states.

I thought an m3 was $55k?The new vette looks good i would buy one.

Speed of light

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originally posted by 1sicsol originally posted by the ancient words Amen brother... I've have always seen the Supra as a "beached whale" which is why I didn't buy one in the first place (and apparently a lot of other people didn't either).


originally posted by the ancient words I'm afraid I'll have to defer to Monster Garage on that one...



Oh, by the way, bad news for you guys that think piston engines are indestructable--they are not. After about 30 years of racing, with mostly pistons, I can tell you that they do wear out. And their problems just tend to manifest themselves in ways different than rotaries. I'm not at all sure that the Supra guys are telling the whole story regarding reliabilty. I will give you, however, that pistons might be more tolerant of certain transient overloads, but under sustained abuse (read detonation, overreving, etc.) they will come apart. Sorry....

RotorMotor

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what about the extra horsepower, that is more reliable than a 13b at that same level? i think that's reason in itself. if you want more HP you have to back it up with reliability.... they dont release turbo prosches that go boom to easliy.... same idea with the 20b. if your pushing 500 horsepower, then aleviate some of the forces inside the engine by dividing it between another rotor. its not about "whos dong is biggest" or who has the most rotors.... its about reliability at a particular horsepower that you choose beforehand. (now choosing 500 horsepower is kinda crazy.... but if you really want to go there... make sure you have the propper equiptment).

and i think it makes sense. our cars are diminishing in value and cooleness (although ive been seeing more and more FD's in the media).... somehow its become like a phantom car... and even though its 10+ yrs old, its still prominantly featured in tons of things. adding 3rotors to the few remaining FD's just keeps the "legend" alive...

Herblenny

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That's funny, but true.. When you look at the rare factor of RX-7 and rare factor of 20B, you have one rare car... LOL!

But seriously, I do understand that you could build a one fast V8/RX7 for less than a 20b. I recently saw and talked with Brian Hinson about their LS1/ T62-1 and its one hell of a machine. Looked clean and well built... and ran consistant 10.6 all day. The best part about that car was, it was quiet. I've considered it, but reason for go with 20B was because my love for rotaries.... and the rare factor. I don't want to be one of 50.. I rather be one of 20.. LOL!

Skunk

Well that one even I can answer. Think of an SR20DET as a four-cylinder version of the Supra engine. All forged internals, and it can take a good 20lbs of boost in stock form. Now if they just do the swap and don't boost it, then yeah, it's a useless swap. But yeah those guys in their 240sx's with a well-tuned SR20DET can push well over 400hp reliably with no problems at all.

blueskaterboy

supras are fat and heavy... 700hp isnt going to do what 700hp would on an rx-7... yes toyotas are pretty beast. thats why i have a corolla for my beater, its invincible.

well in terms of handling, you could just put massive wheels and tires on your FD and it'll handle better. corvettes just come with much bigger tires.

for around $30k, i can pretty much have a very reliable 20b setup, in terms of a rotary, have enough power to take out pretty much anything on the street and track, still weigh less than 3000lbs. i could daily drive it with 400hp and it would have much better torque and put less strain on it than i would having 400hp on a 13b.

and dude if you want a ******* racecar why would you care if your motor lasts 100k miles or 200k miles? the motor is not that expensive. i hear about people blowing their motor all the time no matter what motor they have, its all about tuning and having supporting mods.

cloead

FD without Engine = 8k.. 20b conversion (do all the work yourself) 10k.


yeah..

kleinke

As for alternatives, there is also the stigma associated with corvettes:
corvette driver = small endowment

CCarlisi

At 40k+ it's easy to buy horsepower. The appeal of the 20b for me is the sound. With the right exhaust system I think it sounds more exotic than anything else you can buy or put together for under 100k. That's a big part of the experience for me and something that can be enjoyed whether you're doing wot pulls or cruising.

Cost wise it's hard to make an argument for the value of a 20b conversion if you compare it to similarly priced vehicles and look at the total cost after purchase and resale. A used BMW M3 that is purchased for the same price will probably have a higher resale, so the total cost of owning the M3 will be lower than the 20b and you can easily get financing for the M3, but it will be more difficult to get financing for an engine swap project.

However, if you compare the 20B to cars with similar performance and 'exoticness' (the 996 for example) the cost of ownership looks more reasonable. Even though cars at this level lose a smaller % of their total value the larger purchase cost makes the total dollars lost similar.

danmc77

Best bang for the $... I think not. Do it cause you like it, yeah.

For that $, this is what you can get:

autotrader.com= 1997 Viper GTS $39,000
Btrviper.com= performance package $16,950

Total=$55,000

9.777@143mph
Now thats bang for the buck. Not to mention exclusivity and coolness factor.

danmc77

By the way, that price is WITH installation. Full exhaust and all. It handles better too.

CCarlisi

and sounds like ***...... I wouldn't buy it if it cost 1/2 that much.

jimlab

That was the brightest thing you could think of to add to this thread??

blueskaterboy

^
ahahahha wtf?
speaking of which ive seen three C6s so far, red, white, and blue, and i think they definitely look like corvette takes a vacation in italy or something... and much better looking *** than the c5...


i highly doubt that you can have a decent 20b conversion for $10k. $15-20k maybe you'll have a mediocre setup.

1point3liter

my car was faster.

Recentlyconverted

I would take a RX7 over an M3 any day, actually, the M3 was one of my options when I was buying my RX, got the RX and never looked back

kleinke

A little sensitive are we? Don't worry I'm sure it is just a myth, and they say size is not important anyway. There is, after all, replacement for displacement.

jimlab

Great. Is there anything else you've overheard by the lockers at school that you'd like to share with us?

7_rocket

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hahaha

vchacon

You'd be surprised how many times I hear the vette is compensation coming from women. I don't think the have any 'hard' facts. Its silly really.... now can we get back to bashing Louis M for his <Ricky Ricardo voice> 'ridiculus' </Ricky Ricardo voice> assertion of the 20b FD.

The only other two cars I would want if I couldn't have my 7 would be a Z06 or a 911 Turbo. I could swing the z06 but I could never drive the 911 and feel comfortable with that much cash at the mercy of wreckless drivers.

kleinke

Since you asked... Yes, I heard that one's personality--treating people with respect rather than criticism, insults and rudeness--can make up for any "shortcomings" in one's physical characteristics, should they exist. But surely all adults know that?...