damn it!! How can I sleep tonite? First BK was out of onion rings and now this?

 

Oh yes, how naive of me. We all know that everything revolves around North America especially around Canada. (Is it something in the Bacon???)
I guess we should just throw all kinds of numbers out the window, since cars like the 959 must have never really existed since there are none here. Great idea.
All the other cars from overseas don't count either right?
I have to compare my 98 year car to something that is 5 or 6 years older so, I don't feel insecure and can look really cool and smart.
Anyone ever compare an 93 FD to a 87 Iroc???

 

How many times I have to tell you to close the door behind you!

 

Dude,

give it up, they cant compare year for year. The 93-95 C4 gets owned in EVERY single catagory by a 93 -95 rx7 for just about the same price.

only the ZR1 could out accelerate an RX7 in 1992 when the 7 was released ,it costed more than 2 times the amount of the 7 and the 7 raped it in every other catagory anyway.

 

Nice to see you too!!!!!!!

 

I don't even know what to say to you. You're level of intelligence is way beyond me. First overseas cars, now we're arguing Canada? I admit man, I can't keep up with your brilliance.

Chris

P.S. I am very tempted to start my own flaming here, but I always try to resist anything that isn't relevant ... I admit though, you are doing a good job of testing my resolve. Can we stay on topic? The topic is what stock RX7's run (that's North American RX7's for the gifted people who automatically bring in irrelevant Japanese cars into the argument).

 

Sure thing, big guy.
Since everyone keeps a car stock.
I would say your stock SS wouldn't do to well against a lot of cars with a simple exhaust and air filter. If you need to be one of these guys that beats your chest about beating a car that is 8 years older then by all means go for it. Good for you, do you feel better now??? How do you do at something like Solo II or at a track like the Glen???
I know my piece of crap you keep talking about wouldn't have any problem walking your stock SS on the highway in 5th gear.

 

He's great! A little fussy tonight.


BTW, i'd be suprised if this thread is still here tomorrow morning.

 

What does any of this have to do with stock RX7's? Damn dude, you have a real esteem problem don't you? May I remind you this topic had nothing to do with LS1's? The only reason LS1 was even mentioned is because Zero brought it in to stir up trouble.

So let's see, you want to start something with LS1's, Canada, Japanese RX7's ... did I miss anything? Why are you even in this thread?

Chris

 

Jesus H. Milhouse Christ:
A timeslip is a f*cking timeslip dude. Learn it. Live it.

The concept kevin has explained is common in racing: Give up a little time one place to make alot back somewhere else. Its not unbelievable, especially in a turbocharged car, that a technique that produces a great 60' may not end w/ a great 1/4 time. He gave up a couple tenths at a slow speed and not traveling very far or fast in those tenths, to gain a couple tenths where the car is covering alot of ground in a hurry.

This is just the same as choosing a line through a corner on a road racing circuit. If you're going through a 2nd gear, 90 degree corner for instance, you might choose to turn in late and sharply, apex late, and get a longer, straighter line from apex, throught the exit of the corner, and down the straight to maximize the time you spend at full-throttle. There no doubt you've sacrificed some time when entering the corner, but a couple tenths at 25 mph isn't worth as much as the couple extra tenths you'll have running 140 mph at the end of the straight. Get it?

The reality is the techinque Kevin described worked on THIS particular car... a turbo w/ little torque. Maybe if your car has a more linear power delivery because its normally aspirated and lots of torque it wouldn't work for you. BUT ONLY A F*CKING TIMESLIP LIKE THE ONE KEVIN HAS WILL TELL YOU.

 

You keeping posting about intelligence, yet I fail to see much of it in your post. I don't remember ever coming into the North American (and nobody else) 3rd generation section (could someone else point this out to me?)
Maybe its American 3rd generation only??? Maybe you shouldn't be here, you're going to want the Canadain 3rd gen section.
If you wan't to compare apples to oranges thats fine, why can't we compare apples, to apples???

 

Um, I brought it up to stir up trouble?

this is YOUR POST on ls1.com

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You admit you were looking for trouble and having fun with it. PLEASE

 

I don't have any esteem issues.
Can you read the previous post from your buddy???
If he or you are going to try and talk trash about my car or the RX-7, don't you expect to something back???
So you and your buddy can come in here, start talking crap, and then not take any back???

 

Chris,

I hear where you're coming from.

I don't know if Kevin's run is bogus or not, but the RX7 seems to pull much harder the last 1/8 mile than the first.



In this slip (I'm on the left), my car seriously was catching the LS1 Ram-Air at the end.

At the 1/8, I was a mph down, and up by two at the end. I turned a 13.5 at 103 albeit with a 2.1 time. If his car trapped higher 105 I think, would that make the time up?

I don't know, since I am not a die hard drag racer.

 

 

CHRIS,

This brings up another point, here is a ram air that ran a 13.54 with a 1.98 60, you you are convinced that a st ock LS1 car with a 2.2 60 will do a 13.2, now maybe YOU can explain the math.

 

I do kind of keep my car stock. So do lots of people. Generally speaking, I'll upgrade stuff as it wears out. Although, since the "lids" for our cars are so cheap, easy and good for a few hp, I did put one of them on.

I never said my car would beat anything in particular. I know where it stands. fwiw - It will beat quite a few of the few remaining stock FDs with which I'm likely to tangle, in most impromptu street encounters or drag strip lineups.

Beating my chest...

You're the one getting all tough-guy on us.

I see more FDs on the road in my area with stock exhausts (i.e. probably not modded) than beasts. I think they are an awesome adversary and one of my favorite cars of the last 15 years.

And - There are tons of cars much older than the RX-7 that could roast my SS. One of my alltime favs - 427 AC/Cobra! I think the 3rd gen RX-7 was too fine an effort to deserve any handicap because of its age.

When these massive flame wars on LS1.com started a few months back, I was a very vocal defender of the RX-7 and the Wankel rotary design. My friend R1Owner has let me drive his 93 on several occassions and I've tangled with him many times on street and strip. Good matchup - at least up until he was just stock + muffler. Now that he's gotten a dp, I'm kinda' worried.

btw - I kinda talked R1Owner into the 3rd gen RX7's coolness a few years back - when he was daily-driving an M6/97-Z28, with a 400hp-Lingenfelter-SBC-81-Z28 and a CBR600 on the side.



Where did this come from?

I never claimed to be a race car driver. Guess you are huh? Are you like, a pro?

oooooooeeewwwwww TOUGH guy!

I was just wondering what the odds were of somebody in the US actually running across one of those 2000 RX7's for which you listed specs. That's all...

And I never called your car a piece of crap. I said I hoped it wasn't a piece of crap. Glad you enjoy your car.

 

When did the R1's start coming with the Bose radio???
The fact that this is coming from an F-Body owner amuses me greatly. Last time I checked and F-Body doesn't scream high quality.
GM has always been known for their outstanding interiors.

 

SSSTeve, You cant compare a muscle car from the 60's or whatever, the a/c cobra had NO emissions, safety or other requirements to consider. Those cars don't even have cats from the factory, so its kinda easy to see why they can be so fast.

The ONLY domestic that I really appreciate in terms of straight line performance prior to the 93 rx7 was the GNX/Grand National, with a 14.1 to 14.2 1/4 mile bone stock in the mid 80's was pretty damn impressive...

but speed is a high price to pay for an ugly boat like that. Even the SS looks good in comparison


STEVE, i just read your post above in more detail, my stereo that poped out of my dash was an aftermarket JVC that I installed and did not secure. When I put on my drag radials I gripped and it flew out during my shift into 2nd gear. Now when I do drag race I remove the stereo and put a blank in place...

Nobody ever had a factory stereo pop out of the car.

 

Just to put this in perspective...Chris, you calling BS on Kevin is like one of us calling BS on the Colonel from ls1.com. IE, he's been around awhile and has done/seen a few things you probably haven't thought of.

 

They both are what they are - and neither one is necessarily the highest quality automobile ever built.

If I'm not mistaken, my friend's 93 has a factory Bose speaker system integrated into the car? If not, what is the brand?

btw - His car is very clean - and very nice. Although, I did accidently pull his passenger door handle out once.

 

mmmmmmmduuuuuh.... :P Sheesh - you're a lil' slow tonite...

Besides - How do you know? Maybe in a major accident.

 

Steve you STILL crack me up.

Also, You keep using the word "magical" when you reply to everyone who is defending the 7 against you bashing them, they never said the FD was magical. I am the ONLY rx7 owner that EVER made that claim.

And lastly, how you like my avatar? On LS1.com I was using the CAMARO RIP with the TombStone, I thought it was funny.

 

That apples n' oranges bs is so dumb I can't believe people who seem to have at least a shred of intelligence do it?!?

The point I'm trying to make is that they were cars that could be purchased from a factory. And there were a small handful of other musle-car era cars that were awesome. I'm pretty sure you could even get Pantera in the dismal 70s that would probably be close in performance to a stock SS or FD. (Not that many did. But- as you and GlassMan have inferred - Exclusivity isn't necessarily a 'bad' thing.)

For all of the advantages you listed for the Cobra- it has the disadvantages of all the years of development that transpired since they were available.

You yourself have used the "yea but - the US-version RX-7 is so old compared to the LS1..." GlassMan just did it too!

 

i think this timeslip against a ls1 pretty much shows that the rx-7 is much quicker after the first 1/8 miles.

also, as stated by another member, our cars arent exactly torque monsters like the ls1 and we pick up most of our power from the turbos. that can also be a factor to why his 60' time sucks ***.