I don't know you or Kevin but I have a greater detail of Chris from my dealings with him on LS1.com. Chris was wrong the way he attacked Kevin and I don't feel sorry for him for Kevin putting him in his place. I will say that None of the LS1 owners, SSSteve, Steve98TA or Chris (MI_SS_IL) came over here with the intention to troll. I have my dis-agreements with him and his board, but I can tell you the purpose he came over here was not start **** on our board. In a nutshell they were hoping that everyone would say that rx-7's run 14 seconds so they can have a field day with it on their board. Chris is not a troll, and he is willing to apologize and admit when he is wrong.

I think this thread has been answered and Chris seems to be satisfied with the responses.

I would like to say that I believe Kevin 100 Pct and very much admire the times he got.

 

i dont disagree with you...i like rx7's i own one...i also have a particular liking towards old school big blocks....weird combination....at first chris was acting childish and annoying, but he was big enough to admit he was wrong on a pretty big forum in front of a bunch of people, thats not easy...and in reply kevin, who i can understand is annoyed by this acts even less mature....

 

And you're still a pompous, non question answering know it all who himself made some pretty ridiculous statements about traction and and 60' times AND WAS ALSO WRONG. I admitted when I was wrong on here, but I'm not the only one who was wrong. Some of your claims that 60' times aren't important for 13 second cars are idiotic.

Your estimation of me being a troll is also wrong. Your assumption that I am here intentionally to troll is wrong again.

My apology for my assumption still stands, but I am in no way sorry for the questions I put to you or the way I responded to you. You were barely civil from your 3rd or 4th post ... you came off like you were a King talking to his band of peasants.

Zero, I did not attack anyone. I asked questions, he didn't answer any of them. As for putting me in my place, he did no such thing. I put myself in my place. If I am wrong I can admit it. It had nothing to do with this guy being right about anything. He's still snob. I was wrong about his e.t., but my estimation of him personally seems to get more accurate with every post he makes.

Chris

 

genieman17, I appreciate the support. No, it is not an easy thing to do to apologize here (even more so if you knew me personally). The apology was genuine though, although I do not have much respect for Kevin as a person, as a driver it sounds like he is incredible.

Chris

 

Listen, I dont know kevin myself or a lot of the poeple on this forum. As far as him being a great driver and an expert on rx7s i dont doubt that. As far as his personality and him as a person I don't much care for him.

 

Ok, in light of this revelation that you were not attacking him I posted a chronological history of your posts and everyone can decide what they want

NOTHING wrong with Kevins first post:
NOTHING wrong with Chris' reply
NOTHING WRONG with next post by Kevin
I commented on his 60' Yea!! I was first!!! Then kevin replied: AGAIN NOTHING wrong with this.
Then I made some silly post about running 16.4 @ 82 (which was a joke, to lighten things up).

This is where the problem starts: From Chris

Ok we can see here that he first compared Kevin to a PRO driver and commented about how the 2.2 60' is nothing exceptional (the master of the obvious), he makes a condescending comment asking the quesion if Kevins car makes more power on top that every other stock RX7. Its a bit condescending. He did not even wait for kevin to clarify. then Chris went to imply that something was wrong with his car. Again, without waiting for Kevin to clarify.

Now I tried to be funny again with this post (this is where he say's i'm trying to take us off topic, I was trying to lighten the mood)

Chris....

I got bad news for you......

THE RX-7 CLUB KNOWS ABOUT YOU!!!!
ok, a few irrelevant posts I had about the possiblity that some RX7's could boost higher from the factory as a possible explanation..then
chris posts this.

I found this comment to be really nice saying that he is not calling kevin a liar ...he goes to imply that it could be timing equipment or he was hiding some mods or is a magician...Yea chris you were real clear, thanks bud!

the more I go into this post I see why kevin is pissed off. All of this and Kevin has not had the chance to reply.
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kevin finally reponds with his time slips:

you will note that kevin tried to lighten the mood with a joke and he explained in detail his theory AND...he also said that the one month later was With the EXHAUST. That became highly consted by the LS1 crowed some of them thinking that was stock too.

In Chris's next post he questioned Kevins drag racing knowledge and abilities. Kevin was nice enough to share his views of the rx7 and how he got those great #'s and was treated like crap in return.

EDIT: I still stand by my statement that chris had no intention of trolling and i'm sure he did not intentionaly want to start anything with Kevin, I'm just pointing out IMHO this is how you were attacking him, maybe subtle.

 

Well there's a biased way of looking at things if I ever saw it Zero.

I compared him to a pro driver? You conviently don't comment on this post though do you?

He compared himself to a pro driver ... actually Zero, if you read very carefully he said the pro drivers suck. Here's the first post where the guy gets cocky.

And it goes right down the f*cking hill from there. So if you're going to present facts, present all of them, not just the ones that make your case look good.

Chris

 

I questioned them because of comments like 13 second cars are not traction limited or 60' times aren't a very big factor for 13 second cars. Hell, I still question those statements ... they're wrong.

Nice try though Zero.

Edit: and as for the condescending statement about his car making more power on top end ... it does make more power than 99% of stock RX7's ... whether it's the way he drives it or his car is a freak or whatever ... most stock RX7's don't run 105mph trap speeds stock. So the statement was accurate.

Chris

 

He was a little intolerant too. I'm not really trying to take sides. when he made is comparison, he made it on ET which his was far superior. in the end the question is "what is your 1/4?" not "what is your 60'". would you rather have a 2.2 second 60' and a 13.3 or a 1.8 60' and a 13.5?

But

 

I'm not sure what the point of your question is, what difference does it make? The reason I questioned him was because of his 60' time equalling that e.t. ... it's highly unusual, maybe even unique ... that's why I questioned it. It didn't make sense to me. My drag racing experience is not once or twice to the track. I've been many, many times and have hundreds of runs under my belt at over 5 different strips ... his times looked strange, I asked for an explanation.

Edit: I also assumed incorrectly that his times were faulty.

Chris

 

All i'm saying is when he compared himself to the pro driver, he had a right to cause his ET was better.

and for what its worth I don't blame you for questiong the 60', as you noticed I DID TOO.

 

Anyways, I'm willing to drop it if everyone else is. But if you want to keep arguing you know I'll respond to anything relevant directed at me. I'd rather cut out the flaming stuff though and get back to the topic at hand.

Chris

 

here is the timeslip from my 13.5 run https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...5&pagenumber=2 maybe this will help shed some light on this subject. also my car was not a properly running stock FD at the time, and make note of the 60' every 13 sec timeslip i have ever got was with a sub 2.0 60' .

 

What a jerk, posting about his RX7 on a RX7 forum and misleading a troll because the troll can't figure it out.

What is the matter with this forum? Every time someone posts a good ET there's some bozo who wants a ticket. Now there's someone even lamer that doesn't believe the ticket.

Kevin,
Have you driven many stock RX7s? A friend that has a shop and does a lot of work on 3rd Gens commented one time that power wise the RX7 is all over the map. One car is quick, another is a dead dog. If you're driving one of the dogs a 13sec ET may not be possible.

 

Are there any moderators on this forum or what? Am I allowed to flame back here or should I just sit back and take garbage like this? Flaming holds no interest for me, but then idiotic posts like this don't do anyone any good, and I have to read them, especially when they're directed straight at me. And I'm the troll

Chris

 

Your timeslip makes much more sense to me. I'm still having trouble with the low 13's and high 60's, but the theory behind it sort of makes sense. I guess I would have to experience it first hand to really understand it. I'm used to a good 60' time equals a good e.t.. A worse 60' time equals a worse e.t..

Chris

 

This is RX7club.com. You can call someone a troll, a pig, a ***, a bitch, etc... NO problems.

You can say anything you want about another car, I mean you call it a fat pig. But you get a warning if you use a slang word inplace of the name of a car ...IE Replaceing the "M" in a Mustang with a "R". Do it 2 times and get banned, LOL.

Go figure?

 

Ahhhh yes, the **** storm continues, lol.

Some notes after wasting my time reading the bickering going on in this thread.

Chris: I am actually going to commend you and the other LS1 owners who came here in good faith with the way you handled yourself. Nowhere in the post did i see you get out of line in such a manner that did not warrant it.

Kevin Wyum: It can go without saying that you are obviously one of the most respected members of the rotary community. However, when the Kevin Wyum bandwagon drives by, i will NOT be jumping on. For such a distinguishable person among the rotary community, i must admit that i feel you did not handle yourself nearly as well as your "legend" would suggest. Hats off to you if infact you turned a 13.3 ET in a bone stock RX7, however i feel that your thoughts on the relationship between 60 foot and overall ET and mph in regards to the bone stock RX7 are a little bit suspect.
IMO, i think you could have handled yourself a little bit better and without the name calling, which is childish.

Zerobanger: I call it like i see it, and i think you may be trying a little too hard here to show the LS1 community that the RX7 is something it is not. It is NOT a 13.3 second car in bone stock trim right down to the factory recommended 10psi of boost in stock trim level (there is more here than meets the eye, even if it is without Kevin's own knowledge). It is also apparent that you are a bit overzealous towards Kevin and his low ET accomplishments. I believe the ghetto term would be " on his nuts?"
Just remember, at the end of the day U.D.K.B

Darril

 

You're not serious are you?

Chris

 

ForceFed, it's always nice to hear an unbiased opinion. I would like to think I'm the same way.

A lot of guys on this thread have gained my respect, then again a lot of them have lost any respect I try to extend to anyone I don't know. Overall, I am enjoying this board. It is informative after you get through the useless posts and the few people who are only here to flame.

I wish you were here yesterday when I was arguing the e.t. and 60'. It's still hard for me to comprehend the theory, but I'm doing my best to give it a shot.

Chris

 

Chris, i agree wholeheartedly with what you say. Our forum does have many 14 and 15 year olds that often ruin legit threads, but then again what forum doesnt?

I am always unbiased, and i am no different at LS1.com I just left LS1.com for awhile after the whole RX7 versus LS1 Fbody debate due to some of the ignorant members there. I tried my best to use scientific logic with some of them, but to no avail. Eventually i gave up. You can lead a horse to the water, but you can't make him drink i guess. You and the 98TransAm guy have been pretty respectable in this thread ( from my own accounts) and i welcome you both. Enjoy your stay here and try to stay away from the Lounge area to avoid the BS posts and 15 year olds,

Darril

 

They all do, including my home forum, I can't deny it. It's up to everyone else to keep the trolls and the b.s. in line.




Chris

 

Darril,

I never said the RX7 was a 13.3 second car. I said 13.5 to 13.9 with 13.9 being average. 13.5 with a great driver.

Please read what I said before making rediculous statements. Also, I'm impressed with his ET, too bad if your not.

 

YES I AM.

 

Nice dick measuring contest, boys....

Surprised I even wasted time reading this ****.
Who cares?

Yet another example why its not smart to get too involved with this forum because WHATEVER you say...there is someone else who WILL NOT agree with you and thinks you are stupid.

I just got blasted the other day for expressing my opinion. HELLO, that's all it was...opinion...not the ******* law of the universe.....

damn....

We are all car enthusiasts here...leave it at that.
PS. The RX-7 was not built to run the drags... its a track car.