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silvercvic 10-25-10 10:06 PM

smells like gas, engine burning rich

silvercvic 10-25-10 10:23 PM

smells rich...

so far this car has burned holes in my pocket =(

theo481 10-26-10 02:14 AM

Dude.....

Get the injectors cleaned, and/or replace o-rings. Stop running the car, please.

I'm not trying to be rude, so please take no offense :)

slpin 10-26-10 03:05 AM

dude...
you have a fucking unhooked vaccum line....
on a speed density ecu
and you are wondering why you are running rich?

silvercvic 10-26-10 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by theo481 (Post 10287314)
Dude.....

Get the injectors cleaned, and/or replace o-rings. Stop running the car, please.

I'm not trying to be rude, so please take no offense :)

No offense....but I'm looking a local shop to clean out my injectors, I'm working the spark plugs first, then proceed to injectors



Originally Posted by slpin (Post 10287343)
dude...
you have a fucking unhooked vaccum line....
on a speed density ecu
and you are wondering why you are running rich?

The vacuum line got hooked up to the BOV, unless you see another unhooked line....

alexdimen 10-26-10 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by silvercvic (Post 10286602)
Since there are 4 spark plugs, and I want to run a compression test, do I run the test on all 4 empty sockets or just 1 in the lead plug and 1 in the trail plug?

do the real compression test, not poor man's: http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/3r...ion_check.html


Originally Posted by silvercvic (Post 10286947)
smells like gas, engine burning rich

Another sign of incomplete combustion from lack of spark or compression. Your fuel is going in, not doing anything and coming back out.

And btw, you can use 86-91 rx-7 spark plugs which napa or the like usually carries. Same part numbers, just no "P" on the end because they are not platinum plugs. BUR9EQ, BUR7EQ i think.

KKMpunkrock2011 10-26-10 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by theo481 (Post 10286883)
I think you test the compression on Both rotors, doesn't matter which spot, i think...

leading/bottom, both rotors

silvercvic 10-27-10 11:24 PM

ok update....haven't been able to do a compression test since I can't find anyone to help crank the motor while I watch the gauge.

I have taken pics of the spark plug and here is the verdict for the trailing plug on the rear rotor. Smell like strong gas

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6153/dsc00052hp.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7500/dsc00053ar.jpg

silvercvic 10-28-10 05:08 PM

any thoughts on the spark plugs?

DCrosby 10-28-10 05:54 PM

Thoughts: wire Brush, and Brake / Carb Cleaner, may be able to resurrect them, but most likely they need replacing, and as far as Boost (Vacuum ) goes at idle, most normal motors draw somewhere between 4-7 inches of mercury, in/hg with great compression sometimes more.
And more than 1-5 bars of boost without the car in gear tearing down the highway, would be news to me.


so far this car has burned holes in my pocket =(
That's normal :rofl:

alexdimen 10-28-10 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by silvercvic (Post 10292209)
any thoughts on the spark plugs?

Fouled.


Originally Posted by DCrosby (Post 10292297)
Thoughts: wire Brush, and Brake / Carb Cleaner, may be able to resurrect them, but most likely they need replacing, and as far as Boost (Vacuum ) goes at idle, most normal motors draw somewhere between 4-7 inches of mercury, in/hg with great compression sometimes more.
And more than 1-5 bars of boost without the car in gear tearing down the highway, would be news to me.



That's normal :rofl:

Never had any luck with a wire brush and carb cleaner. Glass bead blasting is the only way to go. Just need to make sure all the glass gets cleaned off the plug.

You mean 14-17 in/hg? He'd be in bad shape with 4 hahaha.

silvercvic 10-28-10 07:42 PM

I got some ordered coming in the mail, hopefully USPS can delivery by Sat...compression test tonight!

SDelong 10-29-10 10:06 AM

your from bristow va right? you coulda made the 20 min trip to woodbridge to goto malloy mazda for them instead, i think i paid 77$ for plugs and wires!

silvercvic 10-29-10 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by SDelong (Post 10293366)
your from bristow va right? you coulda made the 20 min trip to woodbridge to goto malloy mazda for them instead, i think i paid 77$ for plugs and wires!

I called Mazda and they weren't in stock, I ended getting the plugs for $28 on amazon

SDelong 10-29-10 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by silvercvic (Post 10293419)
I called Mazda and they weren't in stock, I ended getting the plugs for $28 on amazon

odd, I literally was their yesterday and picked up a set, along with wires, FPD and UIM to LIM gasket. regardless I think you saved a few bucks on me! haha

yourmom23 10-29-10 11:14 AM

I have the same idle issue almost exactly the same. I have done compression on my motor and i got 110 and 107. My plugs were a nice cardboard color though. I figured mine was just because its a street port with a pettit ecu.

silvercvic 10-29-10 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by yourmom23 (Post 10293498)
I have the same idle issue almost exactly the same. I have done compression on my motor and i got 110 and 107. My plugs were a nice cardboard color though. I figured mine was just because its a street port with a pettit ecu.

Does your FD work now? All my plugs are black, and smell like gas.

I did the compression test and all of them displayed 120. I will post the video below, let me know if you all see anything wrong


01. REAR LEAD test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZQreiCaYvY


02. REAR TRAIL test

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgYD3jOdK9M

03. FRONT LEAD test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NEuNiv8dU8

Brodie121 10-29-10 07:42 PM

did you test with the check valve held open and look for even bounces?

silvercvic 10-29-10 08:34 PM

Here is the video for the front rotor with the check valve open

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE_F8wYOg-U

silvercvic 10-29-10 08:36 PM

The bounces look even, but does it need to hit a certain psi for succession?

yourmom23 10-29-10 09:58 PM

I dont know if you have a street port or not i have a pettit medium port size and it has always bein a similar idle to yours. If you search street port idle there is a bunch of threads that say its normal for a stock or chipped ecu. Compression looks sweet though!

silvercvic 10-29-10 10:38 PM


Originally Posted by yourmom23 (Post 10294484)
I dont know if you have a street port or not i have a pettit medium port size and it has always bein a similar idle to yours. If you search street port idle there is a bunch of threads that say its normal for a stock or chipped ecu. Compression looks sweet though!

stock build / stock ECU.

I'm worried about this motor since its smoking out the pipe, and after a couple of tries with the starting, doesn't to crank up, this could be the odyessy battery I'm using. Although the battery does try to turn the motor most of the time.

KKMpunkrock2011 10-30-10 02:40 AM

can you leave the check valve in while doing the compression check? thats how you get the actual compression of the faces, you have even pulses, but they look low, when I check the pulses on mine I think I remember seeing about 30psi per pulse on the good rotor.

silvercvic 10-30-10 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by KKMpunkrock2011 (Post 10294722)
can you leave the check valve in while doing the compression check? thats how you get the actual compression of the faces, you have even pulses, but they look low, when I check the pulses on mine I think I remember seeing about 30psi per pulse on the good rotor.

Not sure if the pulses will be higher if the engine is warm, from everywhere I read, engine should be warmed up

alexdimen 10-30-10 12:41 PM

Your compression looks fine. You have 120 psi max pressure on box rotors and as long as the pulses are even with the valve open, that means they are all generating ~equal pressure. You need to open the valve on the rear rotor too or maybe you just didn't post the vid.

The pulse pressure can be anything and really depends on the opening, like if it is just pressed in or if the valve is completely removed allowing more air to flow out.

Engine temp only has a mild effect on the compression in my experience. Not a make or break variable... may be in some cases but i don't think so here.


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