For those looking for a WBO2 I found this article comparing them. Just reinforced what I always knew the Innovate unit works very well and is faster than all the rest, techedge excluded(wasn't tested.

http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2...tout/index.php

I recently bought a very nice display for my LC-1 that I don't think many know about. Uses the full 0-5 volt range and is programmable. Could probably be used for a linear EGT out. Also datalogs, and has filtering capability. Its cheap too take a look at the combo deals.

http://www.moates.net/product_info.p...roducts_id=134

 

Nice, the AEM actually scored second. So many people claim those as complete crap

 

techedge is complete and utter garbage ! use it at your own risk.

I threatened to take the owner of that back yard home hobby shop to court and testing standards australia after his units failed to live up to his hyped up claims.

The DO NOT read accuratley when tested against my Autronic B model lab grade NTK sensor nor my back up Innovate LM-1 nor my customers LM-1. I tested his rubbish back to back similar as done in that review and his meters were .8 AFR leaner than actual.

I bought 3 of them, and all were fucked

Did not return my money till I threatened to take him to court over it if he pushed me any further, total scum bag and very shoddy product in my experience. My local dyno operator has had nothing but problems with his units as well

 

Interesting article, but I wish they'd tested/discussed the accuracy issues better. Swapping sensors between the Innovate & PLX, finding a pattern to PLX's inaccuracy (always reports lean?), etc.

 

I've had very good luck with my Tech Edge 2B0 and digital display. The readings were comparable to two different dyno jet units (used at the same time as the TE), a Motec standalone unit (street tuning on the same road an hour or two apart), and an innovative unit (same road 15 minutes apart). I’m not trying to discredit your experience, but a bunch of people have done comparison tests with the TE stuff and found them to be comparable or better than the other options. Bear in mind, I’m talking about the complete units, not the home built kits –that’s another story. However, most of the problems with those seem to be attributable to builder error. What unit did you use? The Pectel SQ6 has 2 built in wideband units that can run NTK or Bosch sensors. If I ever get the #$% car done I will try running both with the TE unit on an aux input to see how they compare.

 

The clown lives 20min from my home and runs his backyard operation and i have known him since he started making his first shoddy kits.

The tests I did were all three units (Autronic, LM-1 and his crap) at the same time in the same location on a turbo rotary. I used his Factory/house made offering prepared by him and delivered to me knowing my demands for quality and accuracy.

Upon describing my testing results he admited to "quality control problems" no wonder given the hit and miss home operation hobby type set up he has, I know him well and a engineer friend of mine who did work for him many years ago describes him as nothing more than an internet geek/computer person who has no idea of his own field (electronics) let alone cars or the tuning of them. *laughed pretty hard when he saw the TE site* said it makes him out to be far more knowledgable and important than he ever otherwise would be LOL.

I could list a plethora of problems with his units i trialed, but suffice to say they are crap in my personal experience and that of others i know who have tried them.

In the low end cost spectrum the innovate is a far far better choice, at least it is accurate and more reliable than a TE hobby device ! I as a professional stay away from the toys and use an Autronic B model which is totaly dependable

you get what you pay for !

Autronic B model (with LSM11) and with NTK and two different LM-1 all read exactly the same numbers, the TE reads all over the place on average 0.8 or more afr out in my real world same time testing

TE (he) treated me like an absolute **** when I told him of his units problems, even more so when i found out a local dyno operator also had similar problems..... refused to give me my money back, then wanted to give it part back and made out he was doing me a favour despite selling me a piece of total garbage (sorry three pieces of garbage), in the end i got consumer affairs involved and told him i would gladly pay $10 000 to send his crap to testing std's labroatory to prove they are garbage and post it on every page/site around the world. In the end i got sick of his attitude and claims, once I figured out his history and how truely useless he is/was from some of his peers/friends. The person is full of crap and his product is about as good

 

I used to distribute Innovate and can say for the money that you would be hard pressed to beat it, def has issues (well documented) but if your willing to work around them then bang for buck its pretty bloody good.

I still have mine as a back up unit and a lots of customers who use Innovate units in various forms

 

Can anybody with access to the second page of this test post a copy?

 

zeitronix is the best wideband for your money...logs rpms without a sender unit and its the smallest device plus long cable and very easy setup ethernet cables and phone cords.....zeitronix wins against anything but the lm1

its also self calibrating with shortest warm up time and easiest to use interface....way easier to datalog than the lc1 logworks imho

 

The test is bogus in my opinion as real data was not show, and the placement pattern of the sensors in the exhaust would affect some sensors more than others. A sensor behind another which was in the direct exhaust flow would not have the same exposure to the gases.

Very non scientific test!

 

I agree with cewrx7r1, that test doesn't seem to give much info about the real-world performance of these gauges. Very few of us plan to run leaded race gas and then test the accuracy of the O2 readings. I think most people would be concerned with the response time, which could be tested by idling a car and adjusting the fuel mixture while datalogging the fuel injector duty pulsewidth and O2 sensor output.


I saw a different copy of that test (by the same Ford publication) a couple of weeks ago, I'm not sure if it was online or in print, but there was a big TechEdge advertisement right there next to the article. I wonder how much they paid for that ad?


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