Representing everyone? Of course not, but there is a majority that I am speaking for.

If you had enough customers you wouldn't have to resort to spamming your ad on craigslist.

Thanks for proving my point.

No, I'm not your customer. I am however a customer of many other places, especially those who don't resport to swearing and/or badmouthing the products of others. You've proven yourself incapable of either.

 

Spamming my ad on Craiglist? I don't use Craiglist. Maybe you can show me where the spam is, please.

The problem with you is that I never dealt with you and I never said bad things about you. What's up with the bashing? I am supposed to take your bashing because I sell RX7 parts? Every time there is something about my products, you are there to do the bashing. How many times already? Your bashing also consists of false statements. If you can't back up your bashing, don't do it! You said I copied Knight Sports vmount, and I gave you those counter points. Can you back up your statemets? Is RE Amemiya copying the KS vmount? How about Dream Works. Their **** looks exactly like the Knight Sports one except with green silicone hoses. Just because they are Japanese companies, they are not copying but I am, even though I made it from scratch? The bends and how it mounts are all different. So what do you have to say about that?

You hate because you just hate for no reason. If I did something wrong to you and you hate me, I have nothing to say. Did I scam you? Did I treat you badly? Did I steal your girlfriend? I always wonder who you are. You know what, local people who know you tell me not to worry about you. You are just bored and I should take it for a grain of salt. But I am not in a very good mood today. Don't add fuel to fire, yeah?

I bad mouth others's products? Wow, I thought it's always the other way around. I never started the bashing. Find me a thread that I started bashing other vendor's products. I have dealt with many RX7 vendors in the US. Those well known ones have long time relationship with me. Why would I want to bash my friends' products, for what? Give me a reason or prove me wrong. Or your bashing is just **** out of your mouth.

If you want to be respected, respect others. Don't expect people to respect you first. If you want to bash me, I am going to fight you back. I don't care who you are. I don't need your crap. As simple as that.


Chuck

 

Alex, I see your join date in 2004?? Is what you said above an astute observation, or are you an older member w/ a newer username? (Not trying to prove a point... just asking/curious).

I can't judge the veterans, cuz I wasn't around at the time. But I can tell you that on MANY an occassion, I've thanked ppl like Jimlab for the immense amount of work and contribution they've done to make this forum a better place. I was shocked by how 1001 times I found writeup after writeup, and comment after comment on scuderiaciriani's website to be from Jim. I was shocked. It was like he was playing a HUGE and probably vital role back in the day when it came to knowledge about the FD.

But, I said it several times, and I'll say it again - having knowledge is NO excuse for not having manners. I'm sorry but some veterans simply have no manners. They don't know how to deal with others - especially those who may not have anywhere near as much info as they do; they get frustrated easily; they insult and criticize, etc. In short, many of them lack people skills - which is completely understandable IMO, as it's like the typical computer nerd. Sits in front of a screen 24/7, has little to no human interation, and is thus an utter failure at interpersonal relationships. Car gurus can be the exact same.

A lot of the newer guys are people guys. Interpersonal skills are now required for pretty much ANY job. It's just the time we live in. Plus, most FD owners are younger, which means they're prob in a much more social setting, than some guru shacked up his garage. It's a diff kind of personality, but one that still shares the same passion that's found in the Veteran - one that should strengthen us as a dynamic forum built of many different types of individuals. But unfortunately, it only bleeds intolerance, and bashfests and popularity contests (like this one) are the result.

As for me, I've seen Kevin Wiyyum go after Chuck time after time, and there's one particular thread that stands out in my mind. That's just uncalled for, and it shows a basic lack of respect. It shows that someone has a chip on their shoulder, is feeling threatened, and has an ego complex that requires them to constantly bash what threatens them.

LIKE YOU SAID, if we're all sane and rational ppl, simply STATING the facts would be enough, and everyone else would be able to see through it. But hounding ppl w/ the same garbage over and over...it takes a toll on you. Heck, I got sick of Jim's remarks VERY quickly. I respected his knowledge, but I couldn't STAND his attitude. And in the REAL world, it's not really about what you know or even what you say - it's about HOW you say it, because that is the single most important factor that will determine how much impact your words will have - if any.

So in short, I ask anyone - veteran or noob - who likes to bash on others: if you REALLY WANT to help others, shouldn't you be looking at your approach and style once, twice, and even three times, before resorting to jumping down someone's throat? Because again, if your intentions are true, and you're REALLY out to help, your #1 goal isn't just to make a statement; it's to be HEARD, and have ppl GAIN from what you have to say. That takes finesse and sensitivity - something some veterans have long lost.

~Ramy

 

Blah, blah, blah, some of us are tired of having to spoonfeed information, so how about these folks show some initiative and hit the SEARCH link?

(BTW, Ramy, it's late, and I'll get back to your PM later.)

 

Anyone that's read through this thread can see that Chuck is an honest guy and what he is saying is the truth. You can tell by the way it's written and I also agree with him that enough is enough. I can't wait to see all of the data. I have nothing against Kevin. I've seen both of them post as I've been on here for over 5 years and they both seem like great people. We will see who has the better product and who will have their foot in their mouth after testing : )

 

Completely understandable. But don't even play like Kevin's posts have been due to Chuck's lack of use of the search button Or when Jim is straight up PMSing, telling everyone they're idiots, simply because they have a different viewpoint (or misunderstand something). I know how to tell ppl their wrong w/o making them feel like an idiot. Jim likes to tell ppl they're wrong because he WANTS to make them feel like an idiot. Ask him. He'll tell you "of course...because they ARE idiots!" lol. I have $20 on that lol.

That, however, is completely NOT understandable lol (I'll check for it later )

 

They delete it everytime it showed up. If not you, someone else was doing it for you.

Funny, I seem to remember a thread that called you out on you copying it long ago, there was even an example of you using Knightsport's aero diagram.

I'll never respect someone who constantly steals other's work and uses it to make a profit for themselves.

 

I've seen the postings on craigslist as well. Someone w/ a (IIRC) "yipsu" or "yipsu8" @hotmail account. Not saying it's YOU, but it refers back to the Rotary Extreme website.

Didn't you lift this pic from the Knight Sports website to sell YOUR VMIC???

 

Ramy:

That's a fine essay you wrote. I agree with you fully. I had my black RX7 ever since 94. Bought it brand new. Even after 12 years, there is still a lot of things to learn and a lot of new concepts to try. Most veteran people can't accept new ideas. I got the car when I was 19 and older people on the big list always tried to push me around because I was younger, including Kevin. I left the list long time ago because I was tired of the attitude. Jason from the RX-7 Store got the same bashing on the big list. And look where we are right now. He started this forum which has a lot more members than the big list and now running a successful business. My company has grown from less than 5 custom products to too many to count as of today.

If people can keep an open mind, none of this would have happened. VMIC might be one of the best setups right now but who knows what's going to come next? Am I going to live in the past and defend the VMIC to be the best when something better comes out? NO, I am going to test out the new concept and see if it works. That's how my company and products are evolving. I don't live in the past. I keep an open mind. Absorbing new ideas and implement is the best way to stay ahead. If you look at the products I offer, you should clearly see how I am different from other vendors. New stuff coming out almost every month and no other vendors have as many custom in house products as I do.

But all this nonsense is really wearing me out throughout the years. For those of you who know me closely, you know I am quitting. But before I quit, I still want to get things straight. We should all realize that the RX7 Community is getting smaller and smaller. I do this every day so I know. Kevin is not dumb. Kevin should know by how many IC's he has sold in the past couple of months. He has some greater things to worry about because the SS Autochrome is selling the SMIC next to nothing. I never understand why he just likes to bash me while he has some real enemy to worry about. I am friends with many RX7 vendors. I can say the only guy I am not friend with is Kevin. I just don't understand why he has so much anger. This is behind my understanding.

Anyway, I am more calm now. I already have two people expressing their interest in the testing so it will be done. I will let the customers post the results for unbiased testing and you guys can interpret the result yourselves.

We will be using PFC datalogit for logging. I have a infrared thermo gun to measure temps on engine bay components. We will do cruising and also high speed runs data logged by the datalogit. So you can see rpm, speed, boost, wate temp, and intake temp. I will try to do this as fair as possible. If I am wrong about my setup that I was making false claims, I will apologize to Kevin, donate $10,000 to any charity of his choice (Katrina Relief preferred), and not post here ever again. As for the profit from the testing, they will be donated to the Red Cross for Katrina relief. While we are arguing here, we should have spent the energy on something greater.

Chuck

 

I don't know who the hell is doing it. Not me. I don't have to lie about it. Maybe some customers are trying to do something good for me? I don't know. I only use rotaryextreme@aol.com and I don't use any other email addresses.

I used the KS diagram only to demostrate how it looks like. I took that off long time ago when you and your other friend had a problem with it. I can guarantee you the vmount looks totally different. Just look at the IC part, does it look even the same? You still haven't answered my questions on the RE Amemiya VMIC vs KS FMIC.

If you don't respect me, that's fine. As long as you don't post false claims, I have no problem with it.

Chuck

 

So what does it say in the ad? Maybe some customer has my product that he wants to sell and he refers it back to the website? Maybe you can copy and paste it here.

I did use it to show how vmount looks like. Someone (some guy with a HKS vmount) has a problem with it and it was long gone. That does not mean it's the same vmount. KS vmount does not look the same as mine. You can clearly see the photos and compare the two. I never claimed to come up with the VMIC idea. I even said in many threads it was inspired by the Knight Sports that they came out with the VMIC back in 1998 and I just brought the idea back to the US and try to promote it. So what do you say about RE Amemiya and all the other companies that came out with Vmounts after I did? How come you don't have problems with them? Just because they are Japanese? Why can't any of you answer that question? How about SMIC. Many companies in Japan has one. So who copied whom? It seems to me that you have a problem with me for no reason.

Chuck

 

Its funny how every thread compairing things turns into WWIII...and its even funnier how "adults" act on the internet. I think this is a good idea on Chucks part to finally prove a point, I have seen the threads where any numbers showing better performance over SMIC has been called B/S, so maybe this will stop people from making excuses? Hopefully it wil anyways. I am not sure how you can see this as Chuck trying to get a large profit either, hes basically putting his VMIC reputation on the line here...and he runs a buisness, so like anyone who runs a successful buisness is not going to just give away products for free. And for those of you who thinks he's an ******* for this thread.. you are far from right. Anyone who has done buisness with him(myself included) has nothing but good things to say about him, and we have actual events to base our statements on. So props to Chuck and I hope you finally solve this little issue.
Btw Chuck, have you talked to Dylan about getting him to volunteer?

Kyle

 

No, I didn't talk to Dylan. He has greater issue to be fixed. His wiring harness right above the fender liner got chewed by the tire so he need to get those fixed before he can drive at night.

Jpandes and Reza want to do it. Alex (Reza's friend) might do it too. I don't know. I will talk to them tomorrow.

Chuck

 

Neofreak and RX7 king, you need to get your facts straight. I don't remember whom but someone also accuses me of copying the HKS vmount while mine came out 1 year before theirs. If you don't have any evidence, don't just claim something you are not sure of. Don't tell me "I recall someone saying your copying this and that". You believe everything you see on the internet? Or you will blindly believe anything negative said about me just because you don't like me? Just because it's internet, your don't have to be responsible for your statement? Do you know I sued someone who makes false statement about my company for defamation and won? If I did something, I will admit but don't put out some false claims.

If you want to give me crap, come to the shop and say that to me in person. I am there from 10am to 6pm Mon-Fri. All of you who hate me can come all at once and let me know the reasons. Cool?

Chuck

 

I've been falling out of my chair laughing at this thread. Here's the post I made "spreading lies about Chuck." In all honestly I was replying to what I thought was him bringing my name up. After skimming the rest of the mind-numbing thread it looks like he might have just mucked up a quote and I took it as more broken English. Either way I stand behind what I posted, this thread is actually a good example of it, minus the physics.

"SMIC all have radiator blockage. The duct blocks at least half of the exit of the radiator. Go ask Wyum if I dare? What's that supposed to mean? I mean if you think the SMIC is so great, why didn't you use the same IC core and do a SMIC? I don't know where you are going with this."

That was the mixed in quote I assumed was him mentioning me. Here was the portion of my post spreading lies about Vmounts and his evil business methods.

"Chuck, your firm grasp of physics is only exceeded by your written english and astonishing ability to create concise clear arguments. I've never seen anyone so consistently spew enormous volumes of typing while saying so very little. I was quite the blowhard in my youth but you're out of control. A debate isn't won by the last person still talking, or typing in this case."

I found his threats in reply pretty damn funny though. He threatened to copy my duct and sell it to people that want one of those cheap Chinese cores. (giggle) The last time this happened he threatened to make a better SMIC and sell it for less just to get back at me.

You'll forgive me Chuck for a little sarcasm when you've announced you're trying to sell your shop in one sentence and talk about your commitment to the market in the next. Let's be honest here, you're not trying to sell because you can't stand dealing with customers, it's because the RX7 parts market is drying up and you need to sell now before there's nothing left to sell. I hate to break it to people but the demographic buying RX7's now won't support much of an aftermarket, maybe body panels for the F&F crowd but that's about it. The kids that buy them can't spend $1k+ on new intercoolers or anything else, they simply can't afford it. I'm not trying to demean them, I would have wet my pants if I had a car like this when I was 16-19. It's just that the consumer base is changing. It's going from a semi-affluent enthusiast crowd to teens and early 20's on a shoestring budget. It would be insanity to invest in production of a new high dollar part at this point and it's been that way for a number of years now, hence I've never ended up doing that Ultimate IC project, plus a lack of time. Don't forget it's also a very small potential market. Here's a fun figure though, more than 3 % of all FD's ever sold in the United States have one of my IC's, with over 400 sold in total. If you assume wrecked ones and others that have likely salvaged and resold the IC's it's probably closer to 4 or 5%. I think that's pretty damn nifty for a hobby on the side and I've never even posted on Craigslist or paid for an advertisement.

As for your test Chuck, so long as you seal all the gaps around the radiator / IC duct and above it so air can only pass through the radiator or into the duct I highly doubt you'll see any better numbers from your Vmount, other than profit. If you leave gaps around the radiator for air to bypass then the test is a waste of time.

Nice gimmick to try and sell some intercoolers before you close or sell your shop. Can you point out where I mentioned intercoolers in the other thread btw? You claimed this publicity stunt was because of that but I don't recall posting anything about Vmounts in probably a year.

Kevin T. Wyum

 

I've been falling out of my chair laughing at this thread. Here's the post I made "spreading lies about Chuck." In all honestly I was replying to what I thought was him bringing my name up. After skimming the rest of the mind-numbing thread it looks like he might have just mucked up a quote and I took it as more broken English. Either way I stand behind what I posted, this thread is actually a good example of it, minus the physics.

"SMIC all have radiator blockage. The duct blocks at least half of the exit of the radiator. Go ask Wyum if I dare? What's that supposed to mean? I mean if you think the SMIC is so great, why didn't you use the same IC core and do a SMIC? I don't know where you are going with this."

Kevin, I am truly disappointed in you. Even though now you realize that you were bashing me because you read something wrong, you still want to bash.

That was the mixed in quote I assumed was him mentioning me. Here was the portion of my post spreading lies about Vmounts and his evil business methods.

"Chuck, your firm grasp of physics is only exceeded by your written english and astonishing ability to create concise clear arguments. I've never seen anyone so consistently spew enormous volumes of typing while saying so very little. I was quite the blowhard in my youth but you're out of control. A debate isn't won by the last person still talking, or typing in this case."

I found his threats in reply pretty damn funny though. He threatened to copy my duct and sell it to people that want one of those cheap Chinese cores. (giggle) The last time this happened he threatened to make a better SMIC and sell it for less just to get back at me.

I was saying that just to **** you off. Refer to the other thread. Did I ever make a SMIC after that? Did I make the duct? I was not threatening you. I was making my point that I will not copy of your product and don't say I did or will. If I would, I could have done it long time ago. And if you keep saying I copy your product, maybe I should just so you can have something true to say. Come bash me after I make a SMIC or the duct for sale. Right now, it's too early, don't you think? You can be sure that you will not find those items for sale. I will never copy your product and never did. Stop telling people that I will or did.

You'll forgive me Chuck for a little sarcasm when you've announced you're trying to sell your shop in one sentence and talk about your commitment to the market in the next. Let's be honest here, you're not trying to sell because you can't stand dealing with customers, it's because the RX7 parts market is drying up and you need to sell now before there's nothing left to sell.

Just to let you know, even though the RX-7 market is not as good as before, I still do about 50-60K sales per month. I want to quit because I am tired of this business. I am under a lot of stress. Sometimes my contractors can't deliver the parts on time and I am the one to be blamed. You should know about all this crap when you did the SMIC group buy. And some people just do not appreciate. I can easily run the family business and make 10 times as much as now. I stayed because of my passion for the RX-7. But now the passion is wearing out. According to you, all the RX7 shops should be closing down. But remember, I can do other cars as well. I have full contact on all car parts, not just RX-7 and I do not just sell IC's for a living.


I hate to break it to people but the demographic buying RX7's now won't support much of an aftermarket, maybe body panels for the F&F crowd but that's about it. The kids that buy them can't spend $1k+ on new intercoolers or anything else, they simply can't afford it. I'm not trying to demean them, I would have wet my pants if I had a car like this when I was 16-19. It's just that the consumer base is changing. It's going from a semi-affluent enthusiast crowd to teens and early 20's on a shoestring budget. It would be insanity to invest in production of a new high dollar part at this point and it's been that way for a number of years now, hence I've never ended up doing that Ultimate IC project, plus a lack of time. Don't forget it's also a very small potential market. Here's a fun figure though, more than 3 % of all FD's ever sold in the United States have one of my IC's, with over 400 sold in total. If you assume wrecked ones and others that have likely salvaged and resold the IC's it's probably closer to 4 or 5%. I think that's pretty damn nifty for a hobby on the side and I've never even posted on Craigslist or paid for an advertisement.

And now you want to infer that I posted on the Craigslist because someone said so.


As for your test Chuck, so long as you seal all the gaps around the radiator / IC duct and above it so air can only pass through the radiator or into the duct I highly doubt you'll see any better numbers from your Vmount, other than profit. If you leave gaps around the radiator for air to bypass then the test is a waste of time.

The regular vmount comes with shields ever since it's offered to general public. What are you trying to say here? Why is the test a waste of time when people swapped from your ASP Large IC to my Vmount? I don't get your point.

Nice gimmick to try and sell some intercoolers before you close or sell your shop. Can you point out where I mentioned intercoolers in the other thread btw? You claimed this publicity stunt was because of that but I don't recall posting anything about Vmounts in probably a year.

Chuck + VMIC thread = Kevin Wyum showing up. You really want me to find all those threads for you?

How much profit can I make when I sell it $100 cheaper than your set up + Koyo. On top of that, I already said I will donate any profit to Red Cross so where is that profit coming into my pocket. Remember my set up is more complicated than yours. The Koyo radiator has to be modified. It comes with shields and brackets. It costs me more than yours to be done. If I am making a good profit as you claimed for $1750 including the modified radiator, how much profit are you making?

Kevin T. Wyum

 

Hhoooo.....I am staying out of this one ....

 

XSpower hackjob SMIC for t3h w1n

 

Ah, I don't think your IC can outperform either one. Sorry my friend. But it does win on the price. No US vendor can come close to that price.

Chuck

 

I know, just being sarcastic... it's definately inferior to either of your guy's pieces, but as it was stated earlier in the thread, the "new" FD owners are on cheapskate budgets and I for one DEFINATELY can't afford a 1500$+ intercooler, you have some really nice gear on your site, but again... all of it is WAY out of reach for me, good luck on the which uber-expensive intercooler is the best debate

 

You need to get a duct made to feed the IC. You can start out with the stock duct by keeping the front scoop part. Make the rest to seal with the IC using some foam board and cardboard put some clear tape all over the cardboard and foamboard. Wax the tape and then fiberglass over it. With wax, you can peel off the boards later.

That will get the job done with a budget in mind. Won't be pretty but it will work much better. If you want to make it pretty, just sand it down and bondo. After that, primer and paint.

Chuck

 

I haven't opted for an upgraded intercooler just yet, will have to make some crafty duct for it when I do though (it's expensive enough maintaining and keeping the car on the road in nearly stock form)

 

Chuck, please read:

I have purchased a few small items from you in the recent past (harness bar, hood struts), so I guess you would consider me a customer. Obviously, the total cost of those products doesn't come anywhere close to the amount that some people have spent at your shop. But, it should still be considered enough to make my opinion just as meaningful. Everytime I dealt with your shop, you were extremely helpful and curteous. I appreciated that, and supported you because of it.

By nature, I am extremely open minded to any and all new ideas/products. After all, I am a mechanical engineer, and make a living doing exactly that. In addition, I will always support the rotary community, especially those who provide insight and new products. I have never supported someone simply due to their age/seniority/postcount/join date/etc, but rather by the contributions that they have made to the community.

The products that you sell are not in question by me, but your actions are. Over the past few years, I have seen a few of your posts that I did not particularly agree with. Some of them even aggitated me slightly with respect to your tone and attitude. But I was willing to overlook these, while giving you the benifit of the doubt. However, your recent public actions over the past few days have pushed me over the line, and thoroughly pissed me off. It has been extremely un-professional, and by no means in accordance with the way I expect my business contacts to act.

Read this next part carefully (twice if need be):

Understand this: I am NOT happy with your current attitude and recent public actions. Enough so that I no longer consider myself a customer of yours. Remove my name from any/all databases that you maintain. Your e-mail and contact info has been deleted from my address book, and your website has been removed from my bookmarks. The items that I have with your name on it will be removed from my car and sold, as I no longer wish to hold any product bearing your name.

With all honesty, this boycott of mine won't have any effect on you financially. Because of that, you probably won't even care that you pissed off such a small-time customer. And to be honest, that just goes to further my point, and verify to me that I made the right decision.

Good luck with all your future endeavors, Chuck. If you continue down the path that you're on, you'll need all the luck that you can get...

-Rob Bailey

 

Pm me list of items

Chuck's always been great with me, with great support for the items I've bought from him. Maybe he has an attitude problem but since it hasn't affected me directly then I don't really care, I find this debates very informative and funny at the same time.

BTW, I own a M2 large (bought used) and cheap online (radiatorworld.com) race aluminum radiator. This setup was more affordable for me and much easier to install.

If I had the time and money I'd covert my current setup to v-mount as looking at both with Mechanical Engineer eyes tells me IMHO that the v-mount setup is more efficient from a flow stand point, but Kevin's core design *SEEMS* more efficient than Chuck's core design from a heat exchange stand point. With that in mind, using the M2 as a V-mount *COULD* work better than Chuck's. Maybe some day I'll convert my setup...

Let's try another test.... Chuck's regular V-mount vs Kevin's in a V-mount setup. If both are proven to be great maybe they can kiss and make up

Chuck, you say you can convert Kevin's to v-mount, have you done some already? Did you test the temp differences vs stock location and vs your own v-mount? Do you have pics?

You guys shouldn't fight, IMHO, Kevin's kit is the best smic period, easiest to install and can use stock radiator or upgrade later (like I did). Chuck's v-mount is the best layout of rad/ic for better flow and heat exchange but much more complicated to install and requires a larger up front cost due to the kit including the modified radiator so a lot of people out there that already upgraded the radiator lose some money there.

 

Hey Chuck you ever plan on improving the end tank design on your VMIC system? Mainly to reduce the pressure drop seen with end tanks that have sharp corners? Here's a pic of my SMIC, I plan making a custon V-mount when I get a GT35R next year. Just wondering that's all. Plus do you plan on making a full carbon air splitter setup?