so i met a german girl whos dad is a main man in takata safety... who knew takata used to be german... not me. anyways hes a top dog for the safety equipment... not takata racing but the regular part... none the less he still got me a huge discount on a set of harness', i dont have the cash to buy new seats, but those bright green harness' and shoulder pads are calling my name and haunting me from the corner of my room. anyways, i was wondering if anyone has ever installed harness' in thier car with stock seats... how does it feel on the shoulders/neck? does it sit right or is the stock gap too narrow. just sitting in the car and trying to mock up how its gunna feel just dont seem like it would feel the same if it was set up right. i just need to know if it lays on the shoulders pretty good or if it hits ur neck, any opinions on this would be nice... and if anyone knows of some decent affordable aftermarket seats, drop me a link or sumthin.. thanks guys

 

uh..want to hook me up with the 5th strap for my Takata harness?

And a 5-point harness for my passanger too?

Oh and my Takata expires in 09, how long is the expiration date on a brand new harness?

Also, I wouldn't reccoment using a racing harness with stock seats or a stock rear strut tower bar. It'd probably be worth the investment to get the bar that's for sale in the GB section right now. I've heard that if you install these belts wrong they can cause spine damage in a wreck.

 

There is absolutly no use of the harness if its being used with the stock rear strut bar... or even the aftermarket ones.... only the one thats on the GB right now... its actually made for harnesses... the rest are bullshit.

 

i was lucky that he did this for me hes a real busy guy i guess, he works out of michigan, but hes all around the world all the time, right now hes in mexico, why takata is in mexico i dont know.

but the harness' i have expire in 2011

and as for the installation, the harness will be mounted in the hatch, they wont be using the stock bar, actually vivid racing is going to be installing that for me, so i dont mess up, and if i die in a wreck because of a seatbelt, my family gets rich because someone else put that in (knock on wood... thats a joke, it says they arent intended for street use as it is) but point being, its being professionally done, i just need to know if it comes through the seat in the right spot... it looks tight to me... anyone else?

 

like i said... not using a strut bar whatsoever... im using the mounting plates from takata along with takata eyebolts, and having it professionally installed at a labor rate of 95/hour

just keep that in mind... ive been through the whole strut bar argument already... not a fun one

 

Sorry to burst your bubble... but pay $2900923/hour for a professional shop to install it... but guess what theyre going to be installing.... A AFTERMARKET HARNESS BAR -___- ... and belive me.. non of the aftermarket harnessbars out there are **** when it actually comes to a collision..... and even if vivid fabs up their own bar... there is absolutly no engineering and testing being done which equals to **** again.

By all means... buy the harness... im sure you got an awsome deal... but Id buy saxyman's harness/strut bar thats on GB right now. It would be guarentee to be bulletproof in 99.99999% of situations.

 

im sure its an awsome deal, ive been checking it out, but i wont have the cash by next monday for it, and i talked to vivid... its being installed in the back, not by a harness bar... i specifically told them no harness bar... not a big deal... still the question remains... are stock seats ok?

 

well, I guess the real question is, why would you want to install a racing harness on stock seats?

I'm not a particular fan of having a racing harness in my car, but stock belt + racing seats looks too akward.

 

Stock seats are fine. There are many people that still use the stock seats along with a harness for auto-x and HPDE's

Using eyebolts for the lap and antisub belts is fine, as the loading direction is correct. However, mounting eyebolts in the trunk area (even with mounting plates) is a BAD idea. This places the loading direction at almost a 90-degree angle to the axis of the eyebolt. In this condition, the strength of the eyebolt is reduced to around 15% of what it should be, and will easily SNAP in the event of an impact. Bolting them with grade-8 hardware would be a much better solution that using eyebolts.

Don't trust any shop that thinks using eyebolts mounted at 90-degrees to the load path is a good idea.

Rob

 

You really should stop being so hard-headed and listen to some of the advice being given in this thread. I don't know what you mean by them installing it in the "back", but that sounds even worse than having an aftermarket harness bar installed with these. We're only mentioning and stressing this point for YOUR safety. If you don't care enough about your own safety to heed these points EVERYONE on here is making, then neither do we....


Re How it'll look: If you think it'll look okay who gives a **** what anyone else here will tell you. Personally, I think it'll look like ***, but again I'm not the one trying to install these on stock seats.


Finally, after doing research for myself and speaking with several knowledgeable forum members on this topic I won't even be using these for "street" use (I have Takatta Harness' as well). I also have a rollcage and aftermarket harness bar installed and was still told it's completely impractical and useless to use these for "street" applications.


Later,

Rizwan

 

I use 6 point harnesses with stock seats and an M2 roll/harness bar. They are completely impractical, uncomfortable and unsafe for street driving and I hate them. But they serve their intended purpose for autox and track assuming you have head/helmet clearance with the stock seats. I had to remove a lot of foam from my seat.

 

http://mahjik.homestead.com/files/FD...e/MVC-018F.JPG

I used a 5pt harness with the stock seats. The main issue is that you cannot have a properly mounted anti-sub strab with the stock seats. As far as the comfort, it works well. Even with the leather seats, I was not moving anywhere while on the track.

 

thanks saxyman, armitage, and mahjik... you answered my question... and as far as the 90 degree angle situation, i will talk to vivid, thanks for that, im sure they might have said something at vivid, but you never know.

so this thread is over, becuase im sure there might be an argument if certain people want to keep stuff going..

please delete

 

As for the 90 degree mounting again.... in a collision, your shoulders will be pushed into your chest..... ill let you imagine what happens after that.

 

Sell them to me cheap and you wont have to worry about it at all

 

has anyone thought about mounting the shoulder straps underneath the back of the seat rails?

 

That's a no-no.

http://www.jegs.com/instructions/471...essinstall.pdf

 

thankyou for the link, helped alot!

 

Has anyone seen an aftermarket harness bar that's failed? On any car? Just curious.