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Old 02-01-03, 02:06 PM
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RX-7 won't start! Girl in need!

Hye guys. this is a long and boring story, so i will try to make it as short as possible . I was going off to college and i need a car to get around with. I went to this dealership where he had a silver Honda i think. I wanted it and it had low miles, plus lots of features. But when i got there, it was already sold. The salesmen talked me into this "reliable" RX-7 thing. I hadn't heard of it before, and it only had 79,000 or so miles on it, which is really good for a 1993 car. It is blue and automatic, and it looks really cool, so i decided to get it. So i drove it to my dorm and it was working fine (for the whole 5 weeks i have had it) until 2 days ago. I went out to start it and the engine would start. I could hear it trying to though, which means the battery isn't dead, right? So i called my brother and he had no idea what was wrong, so he called up the dealership. They sent a tow truck and had it towed to their garage. When i got back, the mechanic said i had blew a head gasket, w/e that is, and i had damaged the engine. I have no idea how this would have happened, because i was driving slow and not racing it. Then he said the pistons are permently damaged along with the manifold, and oil has flooded the "cylinder housing". and that i need a whole new engine! This is too much. I pay 15 grand for this car and already it needs a new engine. The mechanic says these things need "special" engines and that it will cost me $6,800 for it, and that's WITH a discount! He said it is some kind of high-performance engine, i dunno . I think he is trying to take advantage of me. So i brought in my dad to talk engines with him, and he did the same thing with my dad and told him i need a new "special high performance" engine. The thing is completely stock and all, no modifcations. It is a 1993 Mazda RX-7 Touring with automatic. Any ideas to what is wrong? It will try to start, but it won't. It isn't cold around here, so that can't be it. Maybe it is the head gasket, pistons and cylinder housing and all, i dunno. But do i really need a new engine? Thanx all

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"the mechanic said i had blew a head gasket, w/e that is, and i had damaged the engine. I have no idea how this would have happened, because i was driving slow and not racing it. Then he said the pistons are permently damaged along with the manifold, and oil has flooded the "cylinder housing". and that i need a whole new engine."

LOL he said head gasket and piston.

Seriously that guy has no idea what he's talking about. Get your car back and take it to decent shop(one that at least knows that a rotary doesn't have pistons and a head gasket) your in texas you might want to call rotary performance web address is rx7.com. hope that helps a little.
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First of all, the mechanic is a total jack. RX-7's use rotary engines, not piston engines. So there is no way you could have damaged a piston, unless he is saying that as a rotor, or blown a head gasket, again unless he is using that as an O-ring, and there is no cylinder housing, unless he is using that as the rotor housing. But i would get your car away from this mechanic AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!!!
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Where in Texas are you?

If in Austin, take it to MZM (www.mzmperformance.com)or Protech (www=???)

If Dallas, contact Rotary Performance (www.rx7.com), Don Marvel (www.marvelspeed.com)

Houston, Mazmax (www.maz-max.com)

There are others, but just to get you started.

Do NOT take it to a dealership. They're the worst when it comes to these cars. Actually, I'd probably see what your options are under any kind of 'lemon' law. The sales person should be shot for recommending this car as a daily driver for a college student that is not familiar with cars.

Given the limited info though - I SERIOUSLY doubt its a situation where you need to replace the whole engine. Like something along the starter system.

Welcome to the wonderful world of wotarys.

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Oh boy...

First of all, do not deal with the place that you bought it from unless you are getting a FREE engine or are attempting to sue them or something... These guys are NOT the people you want touching the car in any way.

To make a long story short, the RX-7 has an engine that is different in design than most other engines. See http://www.rotaryengineillustrated.com for more info on that.

What the mechanic is trying to tell you is that he thinks the coolant O-rings have failed, but based on his comments he doesn't know enough to properly diagnose that anyhow.

Get the car to a _rotary_ shop near you in Texas. They will be able to accurately diagnose the problem and fix it for a more reasonable price.

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Honestly, the more I think about, I highly recommend trying to return the car (not likely to happen, get ready to look for lawyers or look up lemon laws) or fixing it and selling it. This really is not the car for a college student that is not familiar with cars. Trust me - this car gets EXPENSIVE.

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dclin is right... This car is not at all suitable for someone that isn't technically competent with cars and is especially bad for someone that doesn't have a lot of money to make repairs and stuff.

I think these are your options:

1 - try to get a refund
2 - replace whatever is broken and sell the car
3 - replace whatever is broken and then LEARN how to take care of it yourself and ALSO be prepared to spend more money to keep it running right.

This is an awesome car... once you get it running right and keep looking after it to keep it that way. This is not a car you can just drive around every day and not think about it.



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OMG, wow.

Honestly, I feel bad for you and that sucks, but I think it is funny how if you were a guy everyone would want to come and kick your ***, but being a girl people want to help you out. Kind of a double-standard

But anyway, get the car to a rotary-specific shop as stated above if you intend to fix it, or go back to the dealer and try to return it (probably won't work, but worth a try). I would recommend selling it ASAP after you get it fixed if you decide to go that route...and go find the Honda you wanted in the first place...believe me, there are PLENTY of them out there...

Good luck

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I think you are full of it... very first post ever your a girl.. and you dont know anything about your car... how would you find this website.... very funny.. and strange.. if it is true i do feel bad 4 u
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Well i talked to the salesman and he said he has dealed with these car for years and they have been nothing but reliable . Compared to what you guys are telling me, this salesmen either (1) doesn't know his cars, or (2), is throwing smoke up my tail. Now i'm really angry. He told me it was as reliable as a Honda and goes really fast. He also told me it is really rare and can has a high resale vaule (because i was going to sell it after i graduated). I called the mechanic and told him about what you guys said, saying there is no such thing as pistons in rotary engines. He said he knows. He then proceded to explain he started the car and it fired right up, then it blew white smoke and the engine idled rough. I'm totally lost. I couldn't have started it for my life. i tried to get my money back, but i can't now. I bought the car "as is" from the dealer, with a 500 mile garuntee on the engine, and i just used it up. So they won't pay for the engine, but they say because they are "nice" they will give me a discount on the new engine i "have to get" and they will install it for free. They say it cost $6,800 plus tax and shipping and handling, so it will be around $7,000. They say it is a great, awesome deal that i have to move on now. I think they're saying that so i can't check around for prices. They say it cost so much because it is a rare engine and it is high-performance, the salesmen says it has around 300hp or so. But i don't 300hp. i explained i don't want a high-performance engine if it isn't going to be reliable, but the salesmen obviously didn't pay any attension.

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Well that's not very nice. I came to this website becuase i used Yahoo to search for help for my car. if you don't have anything nice to say or are willing to help me don't say anything at all.
Old 02-01-03, 03:39 PM
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map sensor? check that?

did you run 87 octane in it?

could be lots of small things
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just FYi if u are nto full of it like the guy above mentioned, an engien for that car is about $2200 plus another 500 to get it in there so assume about 3k EVEN if u do have to replace the engien. call teh rotary places someone has mentined before and talk to them. o rget a layer and get teh car back to teh retards that sold it to u.
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RX7gurl,

I think everyone here is trying to help you out.

Just that with these cars, we often laugh at mechanics when they talk about pistons as the Rx-7 doesn't have any! Usually when we hear this we grab our cars and run because most of the time they 1) charge an exhorbant amount of money 2)have no idea what they are doing and 3) end up causing more harm than good.

Usually the RX-7 in non turbo form is really reliable....but the symptoms you have it might have flooded.

I will try to do a search but if you hit search and type flooded you will see alot of information.

This happened to my 3rd gen RX-7 when I had it for only a short time. It was running great, did a short drive and shut it down (it seems like short drives can prelude a flooded engine). The next morning it wouldn't start. I thought it was flooded and waited and waited...but no luck. I ended up towing it to a Mazda dealer who told me I blew the engine! I went to go get it and try to start it again...all of a sudden vroooooooom....it was working!

If you live anywhere near dallas, go to the south forum on this site and type your problem...all the guys are really GREAT and have more technical expertise than me and I am sure they wouldn't mind coming out and helping you out!

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Old 02-01-03, 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by Kahren
just FYi if u are nto full of it like the guy above mentioned, an engien for that car is about $2200 plus another 500 to get it in there so assume about 3k EVEN if u do have to replace the engien. call teh rotary places someone has mentined before and talk to them. o rget a layer and get teh car back to teh retards that sold it to u.
I agree with the price of the Mazda Reman. engine. I get them for $2000. However, labor costs for removing the old engine and putting in a new one should be between $1000 to $1500. New gaskets and hoses will set you back another $500. Therefore, I wouldn't spend over about $4000 total on an engine swap.

However, I do not think they have given you any evidence that it needs a new motor, and I would contact a local rotary shop and have your car towed there quick. Get it away from these jokers.

Good luck!

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Don't let the one guy above discurage you from posting on this forum or asking questions. Most of us on here will be more then happy to help you diagnose any car related questions you have dealing with your rx-7.

As metioned before though you will need to take the car to a rotory mechanic who can properly diagnose your problem.

You own a very rare and very fun car.

I am listing links to two websites that along with this one will give you more information then you ever wanted to know about your car. Look into this websites search option also.

http://www.rx7turboturbo.com/robrobinette/

http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/index.html

Most of us like women who have rotories. I hope that if you decide to keep your car and are able to enjoy it as much as we enjoy ours.
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Um, can I cut to the chase?

You've been deceived by a used car salesman. Imagine that.

You have a mechanic that does not know his *** from a hole in the ground. Imagine that.

You should have bought the dependable, boring Honda and not be smitten by flashy sports car. Imagine that.

This is all past history.

Here's what you need to do:

Have your Daddy take the car back to the guys you bought it from and demand your money back.
They sold you a car with a blown engine - ********.
If they won't give you your money back then you have to start in hard on them with the state consumer affairs office - fraud division, BBB, etc. Last resort is a lawyer, but sometimes needed. Let your Daddy handle this and in the meantime take the bus, buy a bicycle, etc. Focus on school. Forget about the damn car and let him help you out.

If you just can't bear the thought of living without your RX7 take it to one of the specialists listed above in Texas. It could be something simple, but I highly doubt it, and only a Rotary specialist can give you the straight poop. If you've got the money to fix it fine, but beware that these cars are VERY, VERY expensive to repair and maintain unless you know how to do it yourself. The learning curve on DIY is steep and long.

Damn, I feel sorry for you, a classic example of someone being taken complete advantage of by a slime ball salesman.

Fukking lying ******* should be castrated, hung and burned, not necessarily in that order.
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Originally posted by RonKMiller
Um, can I cut to the chase?

You've been deceived by a used car salesman. Imagine that.

You have a mechanic that does not know his *** from a hole in the ground. Imagine that.

You should have bought the dependable, boring Honda and not be smitten by flashy sports car. Imagine that.

This is all past history.

Here's what you need to do:

Have your Daddy take the car back to the guys you bought it from and demand your money back.
They sold you a car with a blown engine - ********.
If they won't give you your money back then you have to start in hard on them with the state consumer affairs office - fraud division, BBB, etc. Last resort is a lawyer, but sometimes needed. Let your Daddy handle this and in the meantime take the bus, buy a bicycle, etc. Focus on school. Forget about the damn car and let him help you out.

If you just can't bear the thought of living without your RX7 take it to one of the specialists listed above in Texas. It could be something simple, but I highly doubt it, and only a Rotary specialist can give you the straight poop. If you've got the money to fix it fine, but beware that these cars are VERY, VERY expensive to repair and maintain unless you know how to do it yourself. The learning curve on DIY is steep and long.

Damn, I feel sorry for you, a classic example of someone being taken complete advantage of by a slime ball salesman.

Fukking lying ******* should be castrated, hung and burned, not necessarily in that order.

oh man, i could not have said it any better!!!
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OMG, wow.

Honestly, I feel bad for you and that sucks, but I think it is funny how if you were a guy everyone would want to come and kick your ***, but being a girl people want to help you out. Kind of a double-standard
Some of us get mad because when a guy has problems (like blowing an engine), it *usually* because he modded the hell out of it, with little-to-no regard for taking the proper precautions.

This is a different scenario, though she (and her father) still should have done thier research before buying this car.

Reminds me of a friend that went used car shopping and, even though I told her to wait for me to go with her - she went and bought a year old Ponitiac for almost the same as new... Man, used car salespeople are creeps. Kinda reminds of when Flybye sold that Taurus to that nice Japanese couple. ('Plez don't ban me!' ducks and runs for cover).

And yes, the last name 'Cheat ham' crossed my mind, but let's give the poster the benefit of the doubt - at least until if things become silly.

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Flybye drove a Taurus???

Now THATS funny.

Salesmen that do this to innocent people have a special place in Hell. This kind of behavior is lower than a snake's belly in a wagon rut. It really ruins our country.
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I don't believe a single word of this story...

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I don't believe a single word of this story...

Agree!
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i hope its not a dumb *** with a V8 or a supra trying to make fun of RX7s. if the story is try i'm very sorry, and do what the guys are saying.
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For 6 thousand dollars you could get a very high performance, reliable engine from a very reputable rotary engine remanufacturer (www.rotorsportsracing.com is my favorite) They are trying to rush you because you are educating yourself about the matter. They are feeling the heat of your correct information and there misinformation. Forget all of these guys on here that are discouraging you, they are just flexing there ego because of your limited experience with RX-7s, nothing more.

Take the advice of these posts, and immediately get your car towed to an either a neutral spot (your house) or a "rotary" capable mechanic, this is not to be confused with an ordinary mechanic. The engine will cost half of there estimation and be way better. Hell, even ask about a street port (gives you more power and helps overall).

Take Ron's advice and seek legal action. In fact don't let your dad do it for you, take the proper initiative yourself, you seem capable. After all you are being highly skeptical of their diagnosis. A first sign of an intelligent car owner. Maybe you can learn a thing or two so in the future so you can see these things coming.

I would recommend keeping the car. There is nothing sexier or mysterious in my view of a woman owning a RX-7 and knowing about rotary engines. I went through hell with my car because of my lack of knowledge but I found an excellent mechanic. I eventually learned how every thing worked and now service the car myself as much as I can. I even am enrolled in a degree program of auto technology at a technical college for my own benefit.

If this story is legit, that is my feeling, then forget the BS replies (don't be so sensitive). They just can't believe the ridiculous nature of what you are implicating. This is bizarre in how classic the dealer is burning you.

Garrett

Ps Keep us posted on the progress or lack of

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I'm going to figure you are legit.
Where do you live in TX?
I bet there is a knowlegible FD person close enough that would be willing to assist you.

It would be interesting for you to go to the dealer with a knowledgeable FD member.

The dealer would not have a chance against one of our knowledgible FD owners.

I would seek legal means and try to get your $$ back.

I don't think this is a car for a college lady that is interested in education and really needs a reliable Honda.

On the other hand if you are interested in learning about these awesome cars and live close to a decent FD shop then it might be worth keeping.

Nothing more awesome than a lady that knows her cars and is driving around in one of the greatest looking sports cars in the world, even if it is an auto.

Usually auto owners get ripped, but if it's a lady - no problem.

Another word of advice, never buy a used car from a dealer or a used car lot.

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