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Old 05-12-03 | 02:18 AM
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Arrow RX 7 vs Supra

I am well aware that this is an RX7 forum full of RX7 fans... for this reason I would like your true and honest opinions:

Imagin you had 100 grand.

You decide to buy a car either RX7 or Toyota Supra..
they are both monsters and very customable and look good.

Which would you decide? and WHY?

and how much and what would you upgrade on that car?
Old 05-12-03 | 02:44 AM
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I would split the difference and just get both and spend however much of the 50k left on mods.
Old 05-12-03 | 02:46 AM
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lol i would have to agree with actionhank
Old 05-12-03 | 03:24 AM
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Ok no, by d 100 G i ment to say i'll have around that much but i only want to buy one of either car.. n spend about 10 grand upgrading it... 1 juz 1
Old 05-12-03 | 03:31 AM
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In would buy an rx they're just more rare than supra's

They are light weight and I heard you could stick a third rotor in maybe even 4 and upgrade that ****, would be tight.

I say lucky seven all the way!!!
Old 05-12-03 | 04:37 AM
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100k i would prolly put it into some cd's, but hey thats just me. just get a 7.
Old 05-12-03 | 04:44 AM
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It's all about weight. I don't think you can find another turbo RWD that comes even close to 2800lbs with 50/50 distribution.
Old 05-12-03 | 04:54 AM
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if i had 100k i would get the FD and stick a 3 rotor in there. if the engine blew i would just stick another on in.
Old 05-12-03 | 06:25 AM
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Well he is talking Canadian dollars here...but still you could probably afford both cars and plenty of work on each.

I like the RX-7 more because to me the Supra is a bloated 3500 lb pig. You might like the Supra more. Drive the cars and pick the one you like.
Old 05-12-03 | 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by pshaw118
It's all about weight. I don't think you can find another turbo RWD that comes even close to 2800lbs with 50/50 distribution.
Yeah! I agree with that! RX7 got my vote!
Better looking, charming engine voice, faster at launch (Comparing stock to stock), unique.

But supra could get some point on less gas consuming, more parts available, more mechanics, strong piston and engine parts make it torerate heavy boost.
Old 05-12-03 | 08:24 AM
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well i've owned both, a stock supra tt and a stock rx7 tt, and rx7 gets my vote by a mile, it just feels more... WOW to drive, great fun great looks, just GREAT!!
Old 05-12-03 | 08:38 AM
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Well, with 100,000 CAD (somewhere near 72,000 USD), why not get a Corvette Z06 and be done with it?

You can purchase a brand new car, nobody has jacked with, get a great warranty and have 405hp right out of the box....
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100k i would prolly put it into some cd's, but hey thats just me. just get a 7.
Hi,

I know this is off subject but couldn't help but respond to your signature/animation .gif clip of the guy going wild w/ that sword slashing the girls. It's a cool clip but at the same time...why is he killin' the girls?
Old 05-12-03 | 10:28 AM
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I was actually presented with this decision when looking for my car.

I love the Supra, but I'd buy a newer J-spec RX-7 if I had the money. As you said the Supra is a great car as well, but the 7 is far more unique it terms of design. From its timeless smooth body lines, to it's rotary engine, light weight, and excellent all around ability, I would have to choose it. The Supra would be the 'safer buy', but the 7 has accomplished more in terms of breaking the status-quo for auotmobiles, than I'd say the Supra has (IMO). Simply put, Mazda pulled out all stops with the RX-7 (FD), and I would love nothing more than to represent it...which I do anyway... No other car conveys the emotion that the 7 does PERIOD.
Old 05-12-03 | 10:35 AM
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I would get the Rx7.

If you blow a motor it is much cheaper / easier to rebuild a rotary engine that a supra motor.

If you blow a supra motor, you're looking at like 5K.

I would spend the money ensuring you dont blow the rx7 motor. Good engine management, wideband, etc....

Anthony
Old 05-12-03 | 10:46 AM
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Rx7 all the way. I had an unmodded 94 Supra for less than a year which was totalled. I purchased my rx7 after that. This was three years ago and Iv never once thought a made a poor choice.
Old 05-12-03 | 11:04 AM
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I can forsee a HUGE argument coming...
Old 05-12-03 | 11:28 AM
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2001 Spec-R with a 26b engine. Nuff said.
Old 05-12-03 | 01:46 PM
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I'd go for a Pettit Racing Banzai RX7 - 550rwhp and 11 sec 1/4's. And the 3-rotor.

Sooper Saweet!
Old 05-12-03 | 02:01 PM
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buy a 350z and put an RB26 in it

2750lbs w/ 625hp on pump gas

and it's stylish
Old 05-12-03 | 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by Shinobi-X
No other car conveys the emotion that the 7 does PERIOD.
And no one else bases their "facts" more on emotion and opinion than you do... still at it, I see.

Let's clear up a few myths...

Supras weigh 3,300-3,500 lbs. depending on options. A hardtop 6-speed will be on the low end, a sport roof (additional chassis bracing) automatic on the top end. That's hardly an "overweight pig" as some have stated. The Viper is in the 3,400 lb. range, and the Corvette is in the 3,300 lb. range (with the exception of the Z06), and neither have any problem with RX-7s, stock for stock, and a horsepower advantage can't account for everything. Heavier cars turn corners too.

Toyota pulled out "all the stops" on the MKIV also, and the end result is that they don't fail with anywhere near the frequency that the 3rd gen. RX-7 does. The twin turbo sequential control system never has problems, they don't melt down catalytic converters like a rotary does, and the engines are as close to bulletproof as you're likely to find. So is the Getrag 6-speed, unlike the RX-7's 5-speed. Toyota used an aluminum engine cradle structure, aluminum control arms, and went as far as engineering even the carpet and rear wing for reduced weight. The reason it weighs more than the RX-7 is because it's a bigger car overall, and it has a cast iron block for strength.

The MKIV Supra is rarer than the 3rd gen. RX-7. 13,500+ 1993-95 RX-7s were imported and sold in the United States. 12,100+ MKIV Supras were imported and sold over a longer production span (1993-98). Of those, approximately half were turbo cars. A turbo MKIV is therefore about twice as rare as a 3rd gen. RX-7.

A "26B" isn't available, would be far out of almost everyone's price range if it were, and wouldn't easily fit in a 3rd gen. RX-7 shell, if at all, not to mention what it would do to the weight distribution. 'Nuff said. Mazda won 24 hours of LeMans with it 10 years ago, leave it at that.

It's one thing to be enthusiastic about your car of choice. It's another to make ridiculous statements while doing it. At least make the attempt to be knowledgable about what you're talking about. A MKIV Supra placed 4th overall and 3rd in class in last year's One Lap of America. You don't manage that if you're an "overweight pig", or incapable of performance anywhere but a drag strip...
Old 05-12-03 | 02:51 PM
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[/b]Originally posted by jimlab
And no one else bases their "facts" more on emotion and opinion than you do... still at it, I see. [/b]
Jim, the autor of the original post stated "I would like your true and honest opinions". I gave my opinion, hence my subjective post, which is not for you to judge. I never used the word "fact" in my post, so this leads me to believe you are still harboring (or "still at it") on our difference in ideas in a past thread. As others have done, leave your little feelings in that thread, and move on. Grow up, it's an internet forum- why waste effort with pathetic personal attack?

Let's clear up a few myths...

Supras weigh 3,300-3,500 lbs. depending on options. A hardtop 6-speed will be on the low end, a sport roof (additional chassis bracing) automatic on the top end. That's hardly an "overweight pig" as some have stated. The Viper is in the 3,400 lb. range, and the Corvette is in the 3,300 lb. range (with the exception of the Z06), and neither have any problem with RX-7s, stock for stock, and a horsepower advantage can't account for everything. Heavier cars turn corners too.

Toyota pulled out "all the stops" on the MKIV also, and the end result is that they don't fail with anywhere near the frequency that the 3rd gen. RX-7 does. The twin turbo sequential control system never has problems, they don't melt down catalytic converters like a rotary does, and the engines are as close to bulletproof as you're likely to find. So is the Getrag 6-speed, unlike the RX-7's 5-speed. Toyota used an aluminum engine cradle structure, aluminum control arms, and went as far as engineering even the carpet and rear wing for reduced weight. The reason it weighs more than the RX-7 is because it's a bigger car overall, and it has a cast iron block for strength.

The MKIV Supra is rarer than the 3rd gen. RX-7. 13,500+ 1993-95 RX-7s were imported and sold in the United States. 12,100+ MKIV Supras were imported and sold over a longer production span (1993-98). Of those, approximately half were turbo cars. A turbo MKIV is therefore about twice as rare as a 3rd gen. RX-7.

A "26B" isn't available, would be far out of almost everyone's price range if it were, and wouldn't easily fit in a 3rd gen. RX-7 shell, if at all, not to mention what it would do to the weight distribution. 'Nuff said. Mazda won 24 hours of LeMans with it 10 years ago, leave it at that.

It's one thing to be enthusiastic about your car of choice. It's another to make ridiculous statements while doing it. At least make the attempt to be knowledgable about what you're talking about. A MKIV Supra placed 4th overall and 3rd in class in last year's One Lap of America. You don't manage that if you're an "overweight pig", or incapable of performance anywhere but a drag strip...
Why exactly do you feel it necessary to write this long winded post directed at me, when I stated that the Supra is an excellent car? For that matter, where did you see that I infered otherwise? I'm guessing you would prefer the Supra over the 7 and if thats the case, then state so- no bother to me. With that said, you are not clearing up any myths (as none were stated), and you can stop hijacking the thread by trying to cover your bruised ego. Add me to your ignore list or something, but move on Jim...
Old 05-12-03 | 03:05 PM
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I guess there is only one way to settle this:

Get a Supra with a 26b engine.
Old 05-12-03 | 03:33 PM
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Ok, so you can get a surpra. Big whoop, another piston engine turbo car.

I dont think your going to have that many people coming up to you asking what kind of car it is, or how the engine works, proceded by them being simply amazed when you tell them the answers to their questions.

However, if you have an Rx-7.....

Just somthing to ADD to everyone elses OPINIONS
Old 05-12-03 | 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by Shinobi-X
Jim, the autor of the original post stated "I would like your true and honest opinions". I gave my opinion, hence my subjective post, which is not for you to judge. I never used the word "fact" in my post, so this leads me to believe you are still harboring (or "still at it") on our difference in ideas in a past thread. As others have done, leave your little feelings in that thread, and move on. Grow up, it's an internet forum- why waste effort with pathetic personal attack?
How was it a personal attack? I even attached a smiley to let you know that I was just giving you a hard time. It's my opinion that you do base your opinion on emotion rather than fact. The rest of the post was directed at others and their versions of "fact".

Why exactly do you feel it necessary to write this long winded post directed at me, when I stated that the Supra is an excellent car? For that matter, where did you see that I infered otherwise? I'm guessing you would prefer the Supra over the 7 and if thats the case, then state so- no bother to me. With that said, you are not clearing up any myths (as none were stated), and you can stop hijacking the thread by trying to cover your bruised ego. Add me to your ignore list or something, but move on Jim...
The rest of the post wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the myths that are perpetuated about the MKIV Supra by those who are ignorant or uninformed.

However, if you think I care enough about your opinions to follow you around and "hijack" threads just to put you down, you think far, far too much of yourself. Yours just happened to be the post that I responded to because I find it humorous that you apparently base almost all of your "opinions" on emotion and other intangible qualities, and rarely on facts. I could just as easily have chosen someone else's post to respond to. It makes little difference and would not have changed the content with the exception of the first paragraph.


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