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Old 10-31-03 | 02:41 PM
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Replace some vac hoses with hard lines

1. Just call me stupid, but I can't figure out how to include images in my post, so you'll just have to make do with attachments. I tried the vB Code help, but it wasn't helpful.

2. Anyway! While doing a hose job, I wasn't impressed with replacing some of the stock multi-bend formed lines with just a loop of silicone. There are a couple on the rat's nest under the UIM that I thought would rub or flop around under the UIM. So, to make more work for myself, I bent some brake line (same diameter as the hard lines in the rat's nest) in the same shape as those, with silicone connectors at the ends.


The first attachment to this post shows the formed hose and its new counterpart, along with the tools, a 5/8 deepwell and a tube bending spring. The next one will show the rat's nest with the hard lines.

Anyone see a downside to this? I know it introduces additional transitions from silicone to hard line, but with ties and gorilla snot (3M weatherstrip adhesive), I doubt that's an issue. I carefully deburred and rounded the brake line ends, to prevent tearing the silicone from the inside.

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Old 10-31-03 | 02:45 PM
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Honest, I added an attachment the first time.
Old 10-31-03 | 02:57 PM
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Re: Replace some vac hoses with hard lines

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Anyone see a downside to this?
As you said you just doubled the number of hose connections.

The stock rat nest lines are not formed, the rubber just ends up that way after it hardens over its life. Only ones I can think of actually formed are the TCA and the one off the manifold to the brake booster.

(Still using silicone line from Baker Precision that is merely pushed on. Never blown a line off yet.)
Old 10-31-03 | 03:05 PM
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Old 10-31-03 | 03:13 PM
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Old 10-31-03 | 03:17 PM
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Seems like a lot of work for no real gain. If installed correctly, the hoses work fine.
Old 10-31-03 | 10:08 PM
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I see a big advantage. I was going to do this with mine and use Viton instead of Silicone. Did you ever spill oil on silicone and heat it up? It breaks down. by using tubing, you can reduce the amount of Viton considerably.

I was planning on using aluminum or brass tubing instead just to be different. Also flare the end or put a bump on the end to give the hose a grip point also.

Tim

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Old 11-01-03 | 12:52 AM
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Re: Replace some vac hoses with hard lines

Originally posted by jrfiero
but with ties and gorilla snot (3M weatherstrip adhesive)
Thats just a great description.

I agree that you doubled the number of connections, but the idea is that silicon with zip ties shouldn't fall off.

But DamonB is right that the stock lines are all rubber in the rats nest, it just ends up feeling like that, thats why you did the hose job.
Old 11-03-03 | 04:24 PM
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BTW, you might find that loop on the second from the right lower solenoid connection to be too tight, especially when you lay the coil pack on it.
Old 11-03-03 | 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by spurvo
BTW, you might find that loop on the second from the right lower solenoid connection to be too tight, especially when you lay the coil pack on it.
Spurvo -
Thanks, I'll check my 'before' pics, my extra rack, and watch closely as I reassemble. I didn't remember that the coil pack was on top of any of the hoses - it's been apart for far too long.
Old 11-03-03 | 09:13 PM
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Those silver hoses are trippy looking...looks like metal almost.
Old 11-03-03 | 09:25 PM
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Garfinkle has hard lines to all on his car and if you stand in front of the car you can not see any vacuum lines at all . Rotorbrain also has hard lines on some of his single turbo install, but they are not hidden from view .
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