scratchjunkie

can anyone tell me what the stock fd ac is??

P'cola FD

R12, but there are a good amount with the 134 conversion done.

JONSKI

*I think*
Only '93's are R12. Later FD's are R134a.

I know my '93 is R12.

youngteggo

Yes, only the 93s are suppose to have R12. All newer vehicles should come with r134. Converting to r134 is recommended...IT"S AAAALOT CHEAPER!!!

GsrSol

My '94 had R12 until the dealer swapped it when I had the wreck

Goober

I could of swore I heard that only the 95's had R134... Any other 94' owners out there that can chime in on this one on what they have... R12 or R134...

wstrohm

Our '94 was built 11/93 (JM1FD3331R0301265) and carries a sticker specifying R-12.

---- Bill

sszablya

uh, look for cars built in '94. Most manufacturers switched 01/94 to R134a

wptrx7

94 has a r12.

luigi

and i am looking to get rid of it. cost to much.

sszablya

isn't it expensive to retrofit an R134a into an R12 system? I remember it costing a few hundred for my truck, because you can't just pump R134a into an R12 system.. IIRC

JUSTgotMINE

last time I looked, you could get r12 cheap on ebay.

JONSKI

You can pump R134a (aka green gas) into an R12 system, but it won't get nearly as cold as the R12. If you are going to switch, be sure to go to an air conditioning specialist and have the R12 pumped from your system. DO NOT VENT IT INTO THE ATMOSPHERE! It's bad for you and really bad for the environment (and this is conming from a guy who removed his emissions controls). R134a is safe to vent into the air. In fact, it's used in airguns.

ronarndt

1995 model year included change to R134. You can do a retrofit to R134 with your R12 system. Early retrofits claimed you needed to change a lot of parts that were later found to be not necessary. You *will* need to change the drier/accumulator, the high and low pressure fittings and should have a pressure flush done to remove all of the residual oil from the old refrigerant. If you have the equipment (manifold gauges and vacuum pump) you can do it youself for about $40 for the R134 and oil, plus the drier ($40-70). A valve conversion kit runs another $10-15. If you collect the R12, you can sell it to a recycler. Depending on the going rate, you may get $20-40.

GsrSol

It would be illegal to sell/buy R12 from eBay.

redrotorR1

scratchjunkie, do you even use the AC in the bay area? It's always so nice and temperate out there ... if your R-12 has leaked out, so what? But anyways, R-12 is REALLY expensive now ... try $75/lb. But, then again, the conversion kit to R-134 is not exactly cheap either. What I ended up doing was getting a pressure check and found out the compressor seal was leaking. Replaced the seal and then a recharge ... all together $200. And I got nice COLD R-12 in there ... your choice.

scratchjunkie

right on...but its hot in the bay andim all out of ac..hehe thanks for answering my questions guys...i was kinda hoping i had r134 cuz i can get that stuff for free, but i do know r12 is way colder...so would anyone suggest me going to the dealer to refill my ac?

redrotorR1

Hot in the Bay????? Try coming down here to Texas ...

Nah, dude. Don't go to a dealership. They'll probably tell you that your compressor's hosed and try and get you to buy a new one. Get a pressure test done and find out where the leak is. Chances are it's a seal ... if you go R-134, you're gonna have to change it anyways. If you R-12, well then the cost is mainly going to be the R-12 itself. Good luck.

SaulV

I dont think is ilegal to sell or buy on ebay. Look
for this guy selling r12
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=46094

SaulV

HAs anyone done a freeze 12 conversion and is it as cold as the r12??

Tom93R1

iTrader: (2)

My friend tried to sell a couple cans of r-12 on ebay a few months ago and ebay took down his ad.
See that line "Buyer must be certified by EPA to purchase and handle Freon"? The average Joe isnt going to be able to bid on it any ways.

I have the r-134 conversion in my car because it was cheaper. The r-134 isnt as efficient as the r-12. If you want equivalent cooling to r-12 you need a bigger condenser. It does work well enough for most places you may live though, just not enough for those of us in Phoenix.

SaulV

how about freeze 12. its considerably cheaper than r12 and it works just as good from what i hear. anybody has any experience with this???

ZeroBanger

You are right, I believe that is the only difference between a 94/95. I have a 94 with the old stuff.

LT1RX7

Or you can just use R410A or B they are the exact same thing as R12 just a new name and very inexpensive. Only problem is you have to have a HVAC certification to buy it. Fortunately I work in the business so I can get it easily.

Mike

SaulV

T!RX7, what about Freeze12??? is it better than R410A or B??? Which one would you recommend.
Will we have to upgrade anything???

LT1RX7

R410A is better than freeze12. Freeze12 if it is what i am thinking is a Hotshot. to basically fill up a r12 system, but it isnt R12 it has a lower pressure that it converts to a liquid than R12 but still uses the same oiling system. BTW I dont think it is illegal to sell R12 it is just illegal for them to manufacture it or release it into the atmosphere.

I will look around and see if i can find out anything about freeze12.