Question:Is it hard to install........
12-26-02, 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by RonKMiller
Right up there with air fuel meters and EGTs. I would rather spend the money on a case of OEM oil filters, and those fresh filters and oil changes every 1500 to 2000 miles or so would do a lot more to ensure the longevity of the turbos (and the engine) than a timer.
Right up there with air fuel meters and EGTs. I would rather spend the money on a case of OEM oil filters, and those fresh filters and oil changes every 1500 to 2000 miles or so would do a lot more to ensure the longevity of the turbos (and the engine) than a timer.
12-26-02, 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by jeff48
jdhuegel1 is absolutely correct that the temps of the flowing oil are exactly the same. It is when the oil stops circulating that the cooking could occur. He is also correct that it would take a GLOWING RED turbo to cook even non-circulating oil...the timer merely decreases the possibility that the turbo remains hot enough to cook the non-circulating oil.
I also agree that a short conservative drive prior to parking is the equivalent of a 120 sec. idle in the lot.
However, if you do park it after some pretty heavy boost, the cool down can't hurt EXCEPT you need to be aware that the coolant temps are going to rise while idling and should the timer shut you off JUST before the fans were going to kick on, your coolant temps will be higher after the idle than they might have been if you just shut down.
After all that, yes I do have a turbo timer in the car, I just use it carefully.
jdhuegel1 is absolutely correct that the temps of the flowing oil are exactly the same. It is when the oil stops circulating that the cooking could occur. He is also correct that it would take a GLOWING RED turbo to cook even non-circulating oil...the timer merely decreases the possibility that the turbo remains hot enough to cook the non-circulating oil.
I also agree that a short conservative drive prior to parking is the equivalent of a 120 sec. idle in the lot.
However, if you do park it after some pretty heavy boost, the cool down can't hurt EXCEPT you need to be aware that the coolant temps are going to rise while idling and should the timer shut you off JUST before the fans were going to kick on, your coolant temps will be higher after the idle than they might have been if you just shut down.
After all that, yes I do have a turbo timer in the car, I just use it carefully.
Not to belabor this subject much longer, but it doesn't take much boost to get your turbos "glowing red". If you happen to spend even 5 minutes driving aggressively (and that's not meaning WOT for all 5 minutes), you should take your car into a completely dark garage, and pop the hood. You may not see your turbos glowing red in daylight, but they're definitely hotter than a ****; more often than not, you'll see them glowing red with no other ambient light, even after a few runs through the gears. That, my friends, is hot enough to coke the oil in your turbos. And this was with at least 5 miles of slow going in 60 degree F ambient temps off the boost to cool things down.
That said, I agree with driving an extended period of off-boost time to positively cool things down, or using a timer (I use mine judiciously) with the AC turned on "2" to run the fans while the timer ticks off.
Just my measly $0.02 worth.
12-26-02, 11:26 PM
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Originally posted by rxrotary2_7
15 minutes tops. unless you pass the job off to your younger brother.
you know i am never going to let you live that whole thing down.
15 minutes tops. unless you pass the job off to your younger brother.
you know i am never going to let you live that whole thing down.
I was just wondering if I could do it to save the money that would have been spent on stupid install. If you said it's as easy as a radio, then I can do it. I think I wanna get a blitz dual, but I'll probably end up buying a basic turbo timer and harness kit. Thanks for all the info guys, it helped out a lot.
12-27-02, 05:01 AM
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i dont think it did.
i dont use a timer, but i have installed a few. did you read all the info given here? what is your conclusion as to why you are still going to spend the money on one? i would like to hear it as i am sure other would...
i dont use a timer, but i have installed a few. did you read all the info given here? what is your conclusion as to why you are still going to spend the money on one? i would like to hear it as i am sure other would...
12-27-02, 08:28 AM
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Turbo timers are useless on modern cars. Unless you come screaming off the expressway, drift through the parking lot and squeal into a space before shutting the engine down; then you may need one. You may also need a few blows to the head.
The best thing is to drive the last few blocks (mile if you have been working the car very hard) at a nice pace (no boost) to keep air flowing through the radiator and coolers. This WILL cool the oil faster than anything else you could possibly do. Idling the motor doesn't do sh*t for oil temps. Running the radiator fans also does not move air through the oil coolers; only forward motion does that.
People say their cars overheat while sitting in traffic. So now you think that parking it and idling on the timer is some sort of refrigeration device?
The best thing is to drive the last few blocks (mile if you have been working the car very hard) at a nice pace (no boost) to keep air flowing through the radiator and coolers. This WILL cool the oil faster than anything else you could possibly do. Idling the motor doesn't do sh*t for oil temps. Running the radiator fans also does not move air through the oil coolers; only forward motion does that.
People say their cars overheat while sitting in traffic. So now you think that parking it and idling on the timer is some sort of refrigeration device?
12-27-02, 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by DamonB
Turbo timers are useless on modern cars. Unless you come screaming off the expressway, drift through the parking lot and squeal into a space before shutting the engine down; then you may need one. You may also need a few blows to the head.
The best thing is to drive the last few blocks (mile if you have been working the car very hard) at a nice pace (no boost) to keep air flowing through the radiator and coolers. This WILL cool the oil faster than anything else you could possibly do. Idling the motor doesn't do sh*t for oil temps. Running the radiator fans also does not move air through the oil coolers; only forward motion does that.
People say their cars overheat while sitting in traffic. So now you think that parking it and idling on the timer is some sort of refrigeration device?
Turbo timers are useless on modern cars. Unless you come screaming off the expressway, drift through the parking lot and squeal into a space before shutting the engine down; then you may need one. You may also need a few blows to the head.
The best thing is to drive the last few blocks (mile if you have been working the car very hard) at a nice pace (no boost) to keep air flowing through the radiator and coolers. This WILL cool the oil faster than anything else you could possibly do. Idling the motor doesn't do sh*t for oil temps. Running the radiator fans also does not move air through the oil coolers; only forward motion does that.
People say their cars overheat while sitting in traffic. So now you think that parking it and idling on the timer is some sort of refrigeration device?
Of course, It can't hurt to be safe, but I just don't feel the need for a turbo timer when I can just stay off the gas for a mile or two and save myself the headache.
When I first bought my car... I took it to Peter Ferrell, who I trust. (Flame suit on, I know how some people here feel about him) He drove the **** out of my car, up and down the parkinglot... Like a damn maniac...Pulled in and shut down.. At first I was like... WTF, dude? But he explained it to me, and I believe him. And I have had NO problems with my FD..
I did have a turbo timer in my GSR Turbo. Girls like it...
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