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Old 09-14-24, 01:10 PM
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Possibility of LIFTING (not removing) an engine without it's hooks

Is it possible to lift the engine a tad in order to change the oil pan and drop the subframe without the engine hook points? ( N3A1-10-566 & N3A1-10-560B). The previous owner removed them (for what ever reason) and the only places that have them aren't from Europe, and will take a while to deliver. Is it worth risking it? Or should I just order some and wait. The engine needs to be lifted a bit, and was thinking of using the intake manifold
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A chain and a 6mm bolt in either of of each of the original lift points mount holes will work.
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I see. I could try and do that. Im going to get the strongest bolts possible though
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You can put a jack on the bottom of the tranny and lift it up.
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an alternate method is to put a wood and a jack under the bellhousing. you dont have to go from the top
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Originally Posted by FDAUTO
an alternate method is to put a wood and a jack under the bellhousing. you dont have to go from the top
Bell housing? Or can I just lift it up from the middle part? I don't want to risk cracking anything.
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Where do you think the pick points are bolted to from the factory? :P
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Originally Posted by dguy
Where do you think the pick points are bolted to from the factory? :P
The intake manifold and the engine? Thats where the hooks mount
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Supporting by the UIM using nylon slings or decent rope will be fine. 5 fasteners at the LIM and a 6th outboard at the TB are not going to fail with that weight, I've dropped a subframe that way using an A frame in the side channels. The stock lift points are M8, a spreader bar with a couple of longer fasteners and an engine hoist will work as mentioned - prefer the A frame method, as you don't have to worry about the hoist legs in the work area - or the usual leaky Chinese hydraulics nowadays.

Making sure you don't mangle IAC, IAT, WG/PC (or other bits if you have either an early or late manifold) and wiring goes without saying.
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Originally Posted by ZeroTwo
The intake manifold and the engine? Thats where the hooks mount

Yes, and what I'm saying is that you can mount to the same spots. Getting 'the strongest bolts possible' isn't really required - 2 M6s of even 'cheese' grade 6 will be fine.
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Originally Posted by ZeroTwo
Bell housing? Or can I just lift it up from the middle part? I don't want to risk cracking anything.
if that's your concern then the bell housing is a better pick. Less leverage
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Originally Posted by FDAUTO
if that's your concern then the bell housing is a better pick. Less leverage
What he said.
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