would some one who has them please post the core dimensions for the hks and the RE monster cores? i can't seem to find the numbers anywhere. thanks.

 

I don't think attacking anyone is OK but it seems to me that the one who does the most attacking is you. How many times have you come to threads regarding vmount and start attacking? So many times it's kind of predictable by now.

About apology, you owed me so many ever since 5-6 years ago when you accused me of copying the ATR downpipe on the rx7 mailing list when I came up with my own design. I don't think you ever apologized for that. How about the FEED carbon fiber manifold cover thread? You accused me of knowing nothing about thermodynamics or physics in general but then all my concepts were correct. How about all the Vmount threads when you have to come aboard spreading false information on something you have never used.

Back then, everything on your car was PFS products. PFS has a large SMIC just like yours. People said you copied PFS but you said otherwise. Only you and PFS will know the truth but I could careless.

You said PFS, M2, Pettit Racing, and ATR all copied your products. Am I on the list? If not, what's up with your coming to every vmount threads trying to hurt my business? Why don't you call every one of them and start bitching at them or sue them? Why spend your energy on me? Should I make a SMIC just so you can have something real to talk about? I can start to mass produce within a month and then sell it for $1100-1200. Would you like to mind your own business or have another real competitor?

This is a small community and I rather have friends than foes. I had no grudge against you and don't plan to start one. Let's just keep it that way. You mind your own business. I mind my own.

Chuck Huang

 

See if you can find some back issues of sport compact car. There is a apex d1 car with vmount that you can look at with bumper off. The apex d1 car was on the front cover. It was the Nov 2003 issue or around there. Good luck.

Chuck Huang

 

SBI owner, hey maybe I can get in on that v-mount you guys are making. I've been looking into designing myself one for a while.

 

Finally, Chuck's replied!

 

No way either design can be patented at this point. You can't sell something for a while then turn around and patent it.

Also since patents cost $30k+ to get it isn't really worth persuing it even if you could.

 

I actually have the PFS race intercooler on my car which looks very much like the ASP large. The size of the IC, the duct, all look the same. I dont' know the full details as to who copied who, but I heard that peter had this large race IC on his silver/blue imsa car a long time ago before ASP IC's were even out but that he only marketed the small red SMIC to people for a while. The large race IC isn't even on the PFS website.

 

You're a different kind of guy Chuck, I think that's why I love you so much.

"About apology, you owed me so many ever since 5-6 years ago when you accused me of copying the ATR downpipe on the rx7 mailing list when I came up with my own design."

ATR was supposed to reproduce copies of my downpipe for me. I sent them about 50 laser cut manifold flanges, the prototype downpipe and the entire jig. Months later when I was checking on their progress in getting the first batch done they claimed to have lost all of the parts, the jig and even the prototype and refused to pay for any of it. A few months later I find out they're suddenly selling RX7 downpipes. ATR is nothing short of thieves and criminals. I wish everyone would take money away from them. They should be in jail. Now how does Chuck Huang fit into this? Why did you want to inject yourself into that? I'm very happy you came up with your "own" design but why in the world would I care? I wanted to see ATR hurt and I didn't make or sell any downpipes after that.

The only thing I had ever heard about you was that when a person tried to get a refund they eventually got a personal check from your mother.

"I don't think you ever apologized for that."

Of course I didn't because you just made it up. I honestly think you're probably transposing me in place of other people you don't like or had problems with.

"How about the FEED carbon fiber manifold cover thread? You accused me of knowing nothing about thermodynamics or physics in general but then all my concepts were correct. "

Who said you were correct? I think you were so long winded that people didn't want to keep replying to you. Don't take that as approval. Being the last person talking doesn't make them right one.

"How about all the Vmount threads when you have to come aboard spreading false information on something you have never used."

Show me some examples. I know I've replied to threads about Vmounts but let's keep to your claim that I "come aboard spreading false information..." I'll hold my breath.

"Back then, everything on your car was PFS products. "

I've had two PFS parts ever on that car, his little red IC, until I made my own and the computer Doug at EFI made. I guess that was "everything" on my car heh.

"PFS has a large SMIC just like yours. People said you copied PFS but you said otherwise. Only you and PFS will know the truth but I could careless."

But yet you really had to post it. I don't think anyone credible has ever suggested that I copied my large IC from PFS. You'll notice they don't advertise it for sale. He saw the popularity of mine and wanted to provide his customers with something fitting that niche. I'll be honest, his doing that never really bothered me a whole lot because he wasn't deceptive about it, he kept it under the table, but didn't try to steal it like Pettit.

"You said PFS, M2, Pettit Racing, and ATR all copied your products."

You quite literally are a nut Chuck. M2 was selling them for me. You spam random statements out, mixing names up of participants purposely or due to poor recall. You seem to throw **** at the wall hoping some will stick. You're either quite literally crazy or you're a nasty little SOB trying to make things up, hoping nobody will notice.

<<<Threat of taking my candy away omitted>>>

It read something like this, you shut up or I'll copy you. I'm the copinator!

This is really turning into a big joke. Now you're threatening to copy me if I don't be quiet about the whole copying of parts? The bottom line is you blatantly copy other vendor's body panels, making molds directly from their parts and on the other hand ask people not to show pictures of your IC because you're afraid people will copy it. Is that just not the height of hypocrisy? I wouldn't have said a word had it not come out that you didn't want people to post pictures for fear of being copied. You want to do it to others but don't like the idea of them doing it to you. Your little threat really took the cake though and I think showed everyone what you're really all about.

Time for my daughters 2nd birthday so have a good weekend : )

Kevin T. Wyum

P.S. Who said I didn't sue? I got a $25,000 judgment out of it so far.

 

I have an idea, how about both Kevin and Chuck give me one of their intercooler kits and let me be the judge of which one is better

 

wow... uh not to hijack this thread but I was the guy that was seeing the 7-10 degrees C higher on the way back from Rotary Revolution...and I was in front of all those guys. I had been thinking about the v-mount for a while but that night really made me get into the research and planning phase. So apparently I am on the band wagon with making my own V-mount.... when I get around to it. I just plan to use my spearco core (which I believe is like the "large" ones ASP, and PFS and Pettit, and M2 all carried) and endtanks (with some modifications) and I am going to try to use the stock radiator for now. Who needs pics....that is what your imagination is for.

Just my $.02

Bob

PS...Dan, look what you started

 

"ATR was supposed to reproduce copies of my downpipe for me. I sent them about 50 laser cut manifold flanges, the prototype downpipe and the entire jig. Months later when I was checking on their progress in getting the first batch done they claimed to have lost all of the parts, the jig and even the prototype and refused to pay for any of it. A few months later I find out they're suddenly selling RX7 downpipes. ATR is nothing short of thieves and criminals. I wish everyone would take money away from them. They should be in jail. Now how does Chuck Huang fit into this? Why did you want to inject yourself into that? I'm very happy you came up with your "own" design but why in the world would I care? I wanted to see ATR hurt and I didn't make or sell any downpipes after that."

5-6 years ago when I came out with my own downpipe, you stated on the RX-7 mailing list that I copied ATR. You probably don't care but you obviously like to stick your nose into other people's business. You made that comment and that's the end of story

"The only thing I had ever heard about you was that when a person tried to get a refund they eventually got a personal check from your mother. "

That person is Jimlab. It was just some misunderstanding. He got his refund and no one got screwed. The refund check is from me directly. Looks like you know my whole family pretty well.

"Who said you were correct? I think you were so long winded that people didn't want to keep replying to you. Don't take that as approval. Being the last person talking doesn't make them right one."

Why don't you prove me wrong by stating some theories if you know about physics so well.

"Show me some examples. I know I've replied to threads about Vmounts but let's keep to your claim that I "come aboard spreading false information..." I'll hold my breath."

One example will be your stating that the vmount radiator will not be efficient because the exist was blocked by the undertray. The radiator with the SMIC will be so much worse becaue the exist is blocked by the whole IC duct. And there is pretty much no room between the duct and the radiator.

"But yet you really had to post it. I don't think anyone credible has ever suggested that I copied my large IC from PFS. You'll notice they don't advertise it for sale. He saw the popularity of mine and wanted to provide his customers with something fitting that niche. I'll be honest, his doing that never really bothered me a whole lot because he wasn't deceptive about it, he kept it under the table, but didn't try to steal it like Pettit."

That's between you and PFS or anyone else invovled. I really don't care

"You quite literally are a nut Chuck. M2 was selling them for me. You spam random statements out, mixing names up of participants purposely or due to poor recall. You seem to throw **** at the wall hoping some will stick. You're either quite literally crazy or you're a nasty little SOB trying to make things up, hoping nobody will notice. "

Did M2 make their own? On one of the threads you posted, you stated that M2 is an "authorized copy". ASP still has the best quality. Now you are selling through RX-7 Store but M2 still has those IC's on their own website. So what's the story about that? Did they copy you or are they copying you right now?

"It read something like this, you shut up or I'll copy you. I'm the copinator! "

Did I say I will copy you? Can I make my own SMIC. Like I said, I can get them done within a month using my own piping, IC, and IC duct and it will look nothing like yours. Just like you said, yours looks nothing like that of PFS. Don't worry, I am not going to copy you. Yours has a lot of improvement to be made. Just for exmaple, you got lazy and only use one size of IC duct for both the medium and large. So on the medium, part of the IC duct covers the end tank and that's going to create turbulence. Not all the air coming in through the mouth of the duct is going through the IC freely. There is more but why point it out when I am going to make a better one?

"This is really turning into a big joke. Now you're threatening to copy me if I don't be quiet about the whole copying of parts? The bottom line is you blatantly copy other vendor's body panels, making molds directly from their parts and on the other hand ask people not to show pictures of your IC because you're afraid people will copy it. Is that just not the height of hypocrisy? I wouldn't have said a word had it not come out that you didn't want people to post pictures for fear of being copied. You want to do it to others but don't like the idea of them doing it to you. Your little threat really took the cake though and I think showed everyone what you're really all about. "

Again, I never said I will COPY yours. I said I can make one. I guess now I just have to just to make you a happy guy. The problem with you is that you think you make the best product in the world that everyone wants to copy you. Sorry but to me SMIC is really an inferior IC design. I can make one that's better than what you have but it's still not going to be as good as a vmount.

About the Japnese bodykits, it's kind of different. I sell both the original and replica. If someone else copies your IC, do you think they will still sell your IC? I doubt it. The Japanese bodykits simply has very little market here. I have a lot of them sitting here for 12-18 months and still sit there. Am I hurting their business? I really doubt it. Since I still try to move their original bodykits, I have bought at least 150K from them for the past 2 years. Who copied your IC and still try to sell yours? Maybe that's why you are pissed. If peopel want to copy my Vmount, they can simply buy one and copy it. Why should I provide free photos?

Say whatever you want. At least I don't call people names to make myself look better.

Chuck Huang

 

stop bickering

the HKS uses the stock rad!? what a rip off. the RE one is way better then

 

"Just for exmaple, you got lazy and only use one size of IC duct for both the medium and large. "

Here's what I was talking about. Chuck you just make things up and hope people won't notice. I'm just going to ignore anything you say in the future. As I said you either have serious memory problems or you're a sneaky little SOB intentionally making things up. I'm leaning seriously towards the later. Before you make an *** out of yourself again you should look at the two ducts side by side. They're not even close to the same. Really clever job copinator. PLONK! Quick maybe you can still edit your post. Do I need to point out all the other stuff that's wrong? What's the point.

Kevin T. Wyum

 

HKS vmount: 23.6" x 10" x 4"

Rotary Extreme small vmount: 15" x 11" x 3"

Rotary Extreme monster vmount: 18" x 11" x 4.5"

HKS vmount does not come with a radiator. You will either use your stock one which is a waste of time or use an aftermarket aluminum one of your choice. You might encounter fitment problem with thicker radiator though because HKS vmount was designed to fit with the stock radiator.

Chuck Huang

 

Go onto the M2 website and look at them yourself. On the large one, the IC duct only covers to the core. On the medium one, the IC duct covers to end tank. Why is that? If they are different, why is the duct for the medium covers the end tank? Just if they are different, your medium IC duct still has design flaw because it covers the end tank. Did I make that one up?

Calling names again?

You are right. There is no point in your posts. You don't even belong in this thread since you can't help the people to get their vmount done anyway and learn how to argue with facts without calling people names.

Chuck Huang

 

If neither design can be patented (without great expense), then each design is fair game for anyone to design/fab/market a knock-off of the other, All the original inventor can do is fume about how it sucks to have his design copied without compensation?

 

Damn, I spend all day installing my RE v-mount and I miss the v-mount fun in here!

 

I don't think either one can be patented. Neither idea is original. Stock comes SMIC and ASP just makes a bigger one. Knight Sports is the first one who did it on the FD and they got the idea from the JGTC cars. You can just hope that you can make yours with the most cost effective way that when others try to sell the same thing, they can't compete.

My downpipe and midpipe was copied by some overseas company and they are selling thsoe on ebay close to nothing. A lot of vendors right now carry my copied downpipe and midpipe. I don't think bitching about that can do anything and that's why I don't waste my time. You just need to come out something better.

Chuck Huang

 

Wow, I'm really glad I started this thread. Does anyone else want to get out some frustrations.

Where is a good place to find a core and end tanks?

Also I think I found out how to do the end tanks for the radiator. If I can fab them up shortly I will try to get some pics of how I did it. Thanks Josh

 

Kevin, let me do you a favor and post the photo for you.



Now please tell me that I photoshoped the photo so it looks like the IC duct covers the end tank.

So maybe they are different but you are still too lazy to design a proper fitting one. The point is that it has design flaw. Now since you are so keen in IC designing and physics in general, please explain why the duct is designed this way. I am looking forward to learn it from the master.

Chuck Huang

 

If you want IC core, there are many choices: HKS, APEX, Spearco, etc.

On the end tanks, you have to fab your own with aluminum sheet metal.

Chuck Huang

 

OK Thanks for replying. What about using the end tanks on that web site I posted earlier for the ic ? They are centered on the end tank and have a gradual slope upwards. Then from there all you should have to do is piece together the right piping.

 

Way back in Nov 2002, I was planning mods for my car. I was very close to doing Chuck's V-mount setup, but he couldn't do it without losing A/C. Lucky for you guys, he's able to re-route the A/C lines, and you still have A/C. Back then he had prototypes, and I was not impressed with fit/finish. The photos of the production versions look much better, and appear to have better couplers with the hard pipes.

My first thought was to go with an ASP large SMIC, but truthfully, I've never liked this design. I hada friend with this setup, and he was constantly dealing with couplers popping off of the IC piping to the end tanks. Part of the problem was the SMIC core just sits, and is not mounted firmly to anything. The other problems were: the duct was never aligned properly with the SMIC core, and that same large-*** duct, contributed to my friend's FD overheating b/c, said duct blocked air flow exiting from his Mazda Comp radiator. Once he put a new motor in, "Jim" installed large fans on the back of the SMIC core to help draw air out.

With neither option being very favorable at the time, I went with the tried-and-tested GReddy 2-row FMIC with a large Koyo radiator. After a year of teething problems in 2003, my setup has been fairly reliable. I'm only missing a vented hood to keep the water temps from rising too high too quickly.

As I've posted in other threads, if I were modding my FD right now, I'd choose Chuck's monster V-mount setup (so long as the kit doesn't force you to lose your A/C LOL )

 

Chuck I'll take that as, oops I got caught making something up again. Quick change the subject and spam 10 posts and hope everyone forgets. Shame on you Mr. Huang. Didn't you just say

"...you got lazy and only use one size of IC duct for both the medium and large..."?

A few posts later you said:

"So maybe they are different but you are still too lazy..."

Quit making stuff up Chuck, anytime you say something people have to question if you're making it up now. You've just proven you do it in front of everyone, making things up about your competitors, why should anyone trust what you say?

You know there's over 350 of my IC's out there right now not including Pettit knock offs, let's assume they've sold 50 or more, that's 400+ people. That's $600,000 of opinions.

I really hoped it wouldn't degrade into you having to lie to people to sell your product, but oh well I guess Chuck has a different set of morals. If I was a little smarter I could have figured that out by seeing that it's okay for him to copy others but not for people to copy him in return.

Lesson learned. End of my talks with Chuck.

Kevin T. Wyum

 

man screw AC, real race cars don't need it lol!