on an added note, all of the young drivers on here seem to say that most young people cant drive except for you. and you are responsible and would never do anything stupid. out of the 20 or so young people that have posted in this thread, i dont think any of you have said that you are bad drivers, yet many of the older ones are still wondering how they are still alive with their "responsible" driving skills at a young age. you may think that you are a good driver, but you will find out as you get older that you were dumber than you thought. i have learned a little bit from my own advice, but ive got a ways to go. i am by no means a great driver. i hope this will make people think, instead of try and flame. im not trying to start stuff w/ anyone, just letting you know how it is, and im almost certian you will agree with me in about 4 or 5 years.

 

if your talking to me

i say im a good driver because of experience since i drove my Acura RL for 8 monthes before i got my FD.

and when you say everyone here that is young say they arent good drivers, well, look where we are.

20 or so youngings out of how many are posting on a car website, where we learn and absorb information about our car as much as possible.

im talking for myself when i say that i dont want to become another stain on the young generation, but just to help people know that not every kid behind a wheel is an animal.

 

Wow, this thread is getting long fast. I guess I'll throw in my 2 cents, being a 16 year old.

My first car was a 94 plymoth voyagur, a 3.0l V6 142hp mini-van. I pretty much learned all the rules of the road in the car, and naturally, I wanted to move up to a sports car. I had a buget of 6K, so no FDs for me, but I really liked rx7s. I found one near me that was just perfect in every way, and I loved everything about it. It was a black 88 TII in great shape. The guy was asking 5500$, witch I could afford.

I went to go see the car, and I like it alot, but it wasn't exectly stock......~350hp. Alot of people told me I would be fine in the car, and a few told me I would be dead. My parents had no idea what I would be getting myself into, so, trusting me, they were willing to let me.

I honestly thought I would be responsible enough to resist being stupid, and drive carefully.....

Would I have been responsible enough? Guess we'll never know. I passed on it (with much sorrow) and ended up buying my current car, a 85 GSL-SE. I haven't been able to drive it much (damn WI snow) but I did get to learn stick, and get a good feel for rwd, in the time I've spent with it.

I think there are plenty of 16 year olds that could handle an FD, but its alot of responsiblity to put on there sholders. I think most 16 year olds that are truly responsible enough to drive an FD, are responsible enough to pass up the oppertunite. After all, if your only 16, you have plenty of life left to buy a fast car.

Learn first, play later.

 

8 months of driving an acura rl.... so that gives you all the experience you will need to drive an fd? lol you are further proving my point.

no teen is a good driver. i dont care how you drive, you dont have EXPERIENCE. in an adverse situation: who is most likely to avoid an accident? 16-17 year old or 30-31year old person?

no, i said 20 or so that have posted in this thread, their may be more, may be less but i havent seen a single teenager admit that they cant drive. i guess you dont realize it until you are old enough to look back at what you have done. im still young, and i already look back at supid stuff ive done... cant wait until im in my 30's, if i make it that far. you are a teenager, you think you are invincible... a near death experience or 2 will scare that out of you real quick.

and i didnt say anything about learning about cars. im all for that. rotor-heads are few and hard to come by. mabie you will be one someday.

 

I'm 15, and my dad owns a Montego Blue 95 rx7. When I start driving, I'll be pimping my mom's '99 Toyota Sienna ( LOSER CRUISER ) Dad won't even let me near the FD. My dad (40+ years old, 25 years of experience) learned to drive in a 1980 Dodge Colt, then a Prelude, then an Accord, then a Volvo station wagon, then a Suburban, and now finally, the FD. He started driving the Suburban in the rain after he did tank slappers getting on the highway in the rain about 6 months after getting the FD. The average human cannot harness the power of the FD without a little experience in the car.

On a side note, I think ALL new drivers should attend multiple performance driving schools, in order to experience how a car feels on the edge of adhesion and over the edge. I've got two karting classes under my belt, and I'm not sure I'd be comfortable driving my dad's FD. (Probably because if I did crash it, I'd want to die in the accident as opposed to at his hands after he heard about it ) Having said that, I consider myself a capable driver, having had only two incidents in the karts.

1. Locked the rear brakes going into a 60 degree corner (rear brakes only in the 100cc sprints). Hammered the gas and pulled out of the slide, though, so snaps for me
2. Kid in front of me was at 3/4 race pace, and WAY off line through the esses at a track in Ventura, CA. He somehow managed to get sideways, freaked out, and hit the brakes, sealing his fate as he came to a stop. Backwards. In the racing line. Enter me: 45mph, on line, and approaching fast. In the midst of a hard left hand corner, I throw the wheel right, nail the brakes, and hope for the best. I left the track at 35mph, got airborne off a sand barrier, and came to rest 50 feet from him. It took the tech guys 90 minutes to clean the kart out from all the dust and dirt. Snaps for me cause I didn't kill the kid

Give your kid the keys to a 240SX with the stock KA24E, put some decent tires on it, and let him learn the limits. After he moves away to college, swap in an SR20DET, and have a little fun for yourself Nothing below 100hp, though; if it can't get out of it's own way, don't let your kid drive it.

 

i totally respect your opinion, and your basically proving me wrong in all aspects lol, which i guess is right really. but its the same thing, stereotyping

just because i have only been driving for a little over a year doesnt mean that i dont have the tenacity to be able to NOT get into an accident or worse. from my point of view, someone would crash into me rather then me crash into someone else. and your little poll is true SNracing, we dont have good avoidence of accidents, but yet again, thats another sterotype. Trust me, ive had my share of close calls and yes it does wake me up, and helps me learn more

You really cant judge an accident on one person, unless you crash into a parked car or a tree. There are so many variables to accidents, and i really think its totally random unless it was an obvious accident.

now i have a question:
who reports more accidents to rx7club.com, children or adults? and i know the odds of children to adult drivers on FD's are slim, but it proves a point that it happens to everyone, no matter what age.

PS: im really enjoying this, i understand both sides and i just like getting what i feel across the table =)

 

Palumbo is better off than a lot of 16 year olds here, so I think we should give him a break. These threads ALWAYS turn in to some sort of pissing contest. ::sigh

 

lol thanks garageboy

but this is a worthy competetor to debates, but we just have to keep in mind other people's opinions count

 

I've had gray hairs since I was 15. Do you know why? From putting up with people like you. Jealous? What should I be jealous of? Oh yes. I am jealous of seeing you make a complete fool out of yourself. God I wish I could be cool like you. Let me go make myself look like a dick in a public forum so that I can be cool like you

Keep talking. You'll be sticking your foot so deep in your mouth you'll be walking over your own ****.

Let me enlighten you oh great oracle of life.
FIRST off. I have nothing against 16 year olds. If you would have bothered to read this from the begining, you would have realized that I was questioning the ADULTS here. The ADULTS which have more than enough commonsense to figure out if they would like to put their child's life in danger by giving them an FD at 16.

You have YET to understand ANYTHING this thread is focusing on. All it takes is ONE functional brain cell to realize what our main points are here, and you have YET to realize what it is. As a matter of fact, your BEST reply to this thread has been "Oh you're jealous."

How bout this..... YOU are the jealous one being that you are only 16, you have not even BEGUN to enjoy the FD. Yeah that's right, most of us here have tracked and run the snot out of our FDs while you were still sticking your finger up your *** and sticking it back in your mouth because you were curious what your **** tastes like.

What do I have to be jealous of? While I've been out running my FD past the 150mph mark, you were still learning your multiplication tables. INTENSE jealously there I guess it just REALLY burns you that we got our FDs B-E-F-O-R-E you did Aww poor baby. I was out running my FD at an SCCA event against all the other big boyz while you were sitting at home watching pubic hair growing on your *****.

SECOND As I SAID SO before, I HAVE met mature teens before, one of them being my best friend's little brother. I have nothing bad to say about 16 year olds. All I have to say is that most of them do not have the experience and/or maturity to own an FD. Of course, if you weren't so busy trying to reply with the perfect Mr Macho comeback, you would have realized that.

I'm sure your next reply will be just as amusing as your previous ones

 

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/clap

=D

 

Man even when i was 16 i could still read the words PARENTS. IF you look at what you are replying to then your comments would probably change.

Ghostrider7 you are the reason y 16 year old kids end up with a bad name. You are what all the big people (aka Grown ups) call "most". If you thought of the things that came out of your head then maby you could construct something more meaning full.

Untill then stick to the abc's and 123's my friend.

 

By the way, I admire the young guys out there that realize they need to gain the experience and skill before getting into an FD or at least before you start fooling around with the FD. I'm sure you all agree, it's best to learn and beat the snot out of a a beater than to learn and possibly mistreat the car you Love.

And for the guys who have actually had a good amount of karting experience under their belt, well that I can almost certainly count as experience. Hey, the boys that fly the space shuttle certainly don't go around crash driving space shuttles now do they IMHO, Karting is probably the best knowledge you can gain before you are able to get your driver's license. Most if not all handling and emergency techniques can certainly be introduced in a kart track, and going from a kart to a full size car is just like moving over from one stick shift car to another. All it takes is some getting used to the vehicle characteristics.

I've seen 5 year olds karting for their first time, and I was very impressed. At that age, it takes a big amount of dedication to be able to get out there and not fool around at that age. As the year's pass on, I can only imagine building up even more on that dedication.

No sense in having the most beautiful woman in the world if you haven't got the foggiest clue of what to do to her in bed, does it?

 

Just because I live in the city named the poorest city as per the government doesn't mean I live in the poor sections.

It's like me thinking that since you are a mental nut, all the other 16 year old's must be mental nuts, too.....

Ok guys. Betting is on to see if he will make another fool out of himself

$5 here

 

It isnt betting if its a for sure thing.

But i put $5 CDN in

 

I may let my kid have the keys to an FD. Only if I had one and that I saw he or she was responsable enough to drive one. Like my parents as my first car was a 2nd gen 300ZX. Then at 17 I got my FD. I've had it sence and have taken good care of it. Yeah some ppl may get jelous of a 16yr old having an FD but where I am from theres kids that get new BMWs for there 16th bday.

 

Holy **** Flybye!!! I just laughed my *** off for 10 mins after reading your response to Ghostrider7. *sigh* that was classic.

 

I think that the controversy on all this 16 year old owning an FD stuff is crap! OK some...maybe MOST 16 year olds think they are tough **** and will want to take their FDs as fast as they can on the roads... but that doesnt mean that all of them do. I hate sterotypes about 16 year old drivers. I am 16 years old and yes my first car is a 1994 mazda rx7... i wont pay for it and i wont pay for the insurance either. I know MANY many people will hate me for it...but thats their jealousy issues. I appreciate everything i have and consider myself VERY lucky. I would never abuse my car to put it in any sort of danger whatsoever just because i know that i could never afford or be able to buy myself a new one as good as it. Because when my parents bought it for me they told me that if i wrecked it that was it for me... no more car unless its with my money. And that would be hard for me considering i dont work. But anyways... i agree that grades and all that stuff has nothing to do with what kind of driver you will be. Although i do belive that if you are responsible enough you could handle one... as long as you dont speed and arent a cocky teenager in it u could do fine. I know that myself personally would never race somebody... i already know my car can **** on most of teenagers cars and i dont need to prove myself to anybody. i dont know but all these pages of views on how 16 year olds shouldnt own FDs really pisses me off!!! ahrghhh >:-O

 

How did I, a 17 year old get my FD on my own? Well let's see, my good friend's friend's father has a dealer's liscense and he helped me get my first car. As well as many after.

I've had three other cars prior to my FD. All were bought at repo auctions, excluding the FD. First was the 96 Civic EX, bid on it for $2650 at a repo auction, won it, resold it a month later for $6000. Next was a 98 Mustang GT, bid $3200 for it, won, sold it two months later for $7900. Lastly I found a 95 M3, I bid $9550 and won it, I had this car for three months until I decided to sell it, for $14300.

By this time I'd already had been looking at FDs for a while and had been admiring them ever since I saw one at a car show near my city. I found one on Craigslist, $13000 OBO, went and saw the car, was clean, and I bought it, and I've had it for almost five months, I do not regret the decision to buy it one bit.

Of course my rents signed for the car, and it is completely paid off. The original money I started with was from working with my friend's father who owns a car rental company ever since I was 15 (cleaning out cars, changing oil etc.), he paid me under the table.

I still drive the car like it's sacred and even go the extra mile not to hit over 3.5-4 RPM, especially when it's cold out. I wash the thing twice a week and change the oil every 3000 miles, for right now there are not really any mods, other than the vacuum hose job done by Mostly Mazda nearby, a Petit AST, and a Fluidyne Radiator. Other than that I plan to keep it stock until I have the money saved for a PFC before adding more serious mods.

I think that if you want to stereotype the teenager FD owners into reckless, mindless, careless, spoiled drivers then that's you're deal. Just keep it to yourself.

 

Since you're too lazy to rear the thread, let me provide you with a summary....
1) We know not all 16 year old's are irresponsible. Everyone is different.

2) It has been STATISTICALLY proven that younger drivers and first time drivers get into more accidents than adults. You can't fight against the numbers. It is a FACT.

3) No matter how good of a driver you think you are, fact is you lack EXPERIENCE. This LACK of EXPERIENCE has been PROVEN STATISTACALLY by the simple fact stated above.

Now, with all that said, lets say your first car IS an FD. Assuming you LOVE your FD as much as the rest of us, do you REALLY want to **** it up due to a small incident just because you didn't have the experience to properly react to the situation?

Don't give me the "Oh, I know my limits and I won't get into an accident" reply. Please, unless you have some magical crystal ball we are unaware of, you just simply don't know. But hey, you wanted an FD. Now go practice your driving with it. Yeah, the FD is the perfect practice car to beat on . I don't know about you, but I'd rather beat up on a POS car to start learning with than on an FD.


If you READ the thread, you will realize we are NOT stereotyping. I'm letting you slide since this is only your first post

 

Keep it to yourself??? HERE???

 

Ok, I'm sick of repeating myself.

We are NOT stereotyping.
READ THE ****** THREAD

All this thread is getting now are the fools glamorizing on how they were able to get their FD.

Yeah, I got my FD at 13 years old. I was walking down the street, and I saw this little black key on the sidewalk. The key was on front of this parked car and the car hasd the same little simble on the front bumper as did the key. The key fit the door! I jumped inside, and I saw this little paper that said "Title". Anyways, the car had 3 pedals on the floor. The battery must have been dead because I would turn the key and it didn't start, so I pushed it back home with me and here I am at 16 years old with my FD....

 

Ok, this thread was intended for the adults and I was asking them if they would actually give their 16 year old an FD.

If I get one more crackpot 16 yearold talking about how he think's he's so special about how he got his FD, I'm closing the thread.

I don't want to hear your glamore stories people.....

 

I don't like some of the things being said either. But, I thought this was supposed to be an open forum.

 

i agree with flybye about his point

and adam has a point

considering that ghost and nomoberuber, whatever his name is, is hijacking the thread from us honest youngins, then i believe those opinions, especially of kids that dont even own an FD and are posting bs about how great they are (ghost and noober), dont deserve to bring us all down. and im happy that other grown ups can tell us apart, thats all most of us ask for anyways

i hope im not taken as one of them, i did try to get my point across, and so have alot of kids here.

GO US! =D

 

Flybye i'm with you 100%.

1. If you can't afford the car on your own money, you don't need to own it.

2. EXPERIENCE is something you get with TIME, and being that when you are 16, you've only been driving by yourself for a very short time. I don't think it matters what car you are driving, you don't have the experience to handle a sports car.

3. I think the best learner car is an S13 240sx. Great 50/50 weight dist, RWD, torquey for a 4cyl.

I don't understand some of the younger crowd here, raised on F&F and the video games and commercials that tell you what car you need to own. The FD3S RX-7 is a capable, breakable car. If you don't have the cash to own it, don't buy it.

It makes me sick when i see 16-17 year olds driving any type of sports car, luxury car, SUV. They are expensive.. i was driving a ****** cavalier then a civic. i've owned a lot of cars, i got my 1st FD when i was 19, after owning an 88 RX-7 TII and getting a great deal of feel for RWD. I autocrossed often and learned technique from a lot of the top drivers in the area. I'm almost 22 now, on my 2nd FD, i've never wrecked a car and i've always been cautious. I've LEARNED a lot over the years, things you don't just automatically know, but gain with time.

There are at best 14,000 FD3S RX-7s left in the USA, i'd hate to see even less. Its a rarity as it is to see some on the road nowadays. Being 16, you just don't have the level of maturity, responisbility, or respect for any car over the 10,000$ mark.

Though mommy and daddy love you, you still will never learn to appreciate something until you've worked your *** off to get it or to keep it running. When you work for your OWN things, you have so much more respect for them. Same goes for working on your OWN car, you learn things, and respect it even more.

We were all 16 at one point and dreaming of RX-7s. IF you are 16, and own one, i'm happy for you, but take it easy, autocross and be safe. Its not just the car thats important, its your life. ANY car can kill you. Some just do it a lot easier.